OK, we guys and girls are all different, but have some overlap and common likes and dislikes, you can tell by the way some of the ladies have a process, and some things stand out, for example, I notice I always get finger nail tickles on the back, which means many guys do like this, a lot of other things are variable and up to individual likes and dislikes, but what are the basics of a good expereince?
We hear about GFE (Girl Friend Experience) but what does that actually mean?
I have had some bad Girl friends, for example, 1 girl friend didn't like her breast touch, and no sex in a year, yes you guess I moved on and found new blood,
Another girl just look at her and she orgasms and fun over.
Another girl likes Doggy style. I have to apologies to her for accidentally coming out to far and going back into her ass and finishing there, I thought the struggle at the time was passion, OOPS.

So what is GFE the fits all, and what do the Ladies need to do to present that special GFE?

Well, GFE is about connection, other things can help. so ill list what I think here, and others can add, maybe some of the ladies will read this and get clues to make all visits much more enjoyable, and maybe regular customers too.

1) Eye contact, I found that when the Lady looks at me in the eyes and smiles, thi sis a fantastic start, because I naturally look back and smile too, making the whole experience a more friend like meeting than a transaction with a high, when you buy a coffee, it always feels better, though the coffee taste the same. Eye contact during Sex is a big win in my eyes. (Pun intended) since to me, its an emotional connection.

2) Kiss, Now this is hit and miss with different ladies, there may be bad breath problems, I know the English are unknown for bad teeth, but mainland is known for bad breath, I think mainly due to the education about brushing teeth etc, but you get a lady you have a bit of chemistry with, and you want to kiss, but she doesn't, to me this makes the whole experience a bit like an assisted wank to be frank, <-Poetry?) which is only marginally better than a Massage happy ending. in fact I have had many better full services than 141 visits.

3) Smile and Attitude, Does this make GFE? I think not, but without it, it would feel more like cold treatment from your Girl friend or wife. don't know about you, but my wife wont have sex with me if she is angry, though I keep trying, lol

4) Small talk, This can help, but what do you talk about? I try not to be personal, but its hard to find a subject. How many customers today? Not a good starter, since it reminds you of the obvious, Where do you live? and she thinks you want want to stalk her. Where you from, China is usally the answer, so maybe this is a good ice breaker, let her tell you about the home land, share a hobby.

5) After Sex Hug, Many girls like to have the hug after sex that help to bring them down and relax, without the hug they feel incomplete and used, like the guy you rolls over to sleep after sex is a big disappointment in many marrages, try this with you regular girl, Girl friend or wife, and see how the relationship improves.

6) Out of service contact, Many of the ladies like to keep contact using wechat or watsapp, I use wechat under mute so it never pings incase a message is received, but hard to hide from the misses or nosey insecure Girlfriend, so if you can, then small talk, and maybe treating her to a dinner sometime without intention for business is a good way to get on the good side of GFE level service, some of the girls are good at keeping you as a friend, and serive serperate. Try it, I have a couple of girls who are friends, and when I say Serive meet up or friend meeet up they are good both ways, and no strings, but here you need to be careful, since some girls can get emotionally involved, so if you are single you can go this way with clarity that you may find your self with a clingy girl friend who is a working girl. remember they are human after all. and if you are married, avoid this option like Covid.

Not much else to add to this discussion at the moment, any thoughts you like to add, or just enjoy the read. Lock down reducing, so things looking and feeling better, stay safe.


Any other things you feel are important for GFE? maybe

[ Last edited by  cyberience at 20-4-2022 15:40 ]

for me i'd say when you unlock something off menu or something in the punt goes beyond your expectations. otherwise a lot of punts are pretty standard lol.

I'd say the only time it really starts to feel like a GFE is when they start to open up and share more about their own personal life in detail. So I think the more genuine connection brings up the chemistry level and enhances the overall experience. In my personal experience unlocking off menu services for quite a few WGs might just be a matter of trust they have built for you be it during the first meeting or the nth time but not necessarily reciprocal trust as I have noticed that the ones that don't necessarily want anything more than a customer and provider relationship won't really ever share anything about themselves apart from giving you general answers within your conversations. I think WGs probably already know from experience that a lot of bros come in thinking with their LB and wouldn't necessarily say no to going up a notch so long as the flow has been positive so far so it's entirely within the WGs own choice whether to give you better mileage for a certain price. With that said though if a bro is able to go further in mileage and WG does not expect anything more in return or refuses to get anything in return then I guess that's a real GFE.

Maybe I'm looking too deep into the meaning of GFE, as I'm sure there are bros that really pay for an escape from reality to have a moment of this fantasy of having some form of encounter with a lady... i've definitely heard a few stories from WGs of bros just entirely acquiring their services just for company and nothing more.

On a shallower note of the GFE I guess when it's an FS punt and you guys get in a good rhythm and kissing is involved it's more of WYKYK kind of situation LOL! I don't ever really get in this mood to be honest in a spa cause i see it from the perspective that it's a place really built for this kind of business.

I generally enjoy the process to get her to bed naked probably more than the fuck itself.  

Don’t get me wrong, we all eat the cherry on the cake, however I find the initial part to be finding the girl, talking to her, getting an understanding of what she wants, fix a day of meet etc makes the experience itself better.

I had good experience with a WG straight out of the database, but for me when finding what appears to be a normal one, make that bit of connection, and eventually get her to go naked and fuck the hell out of her makes the whole thing that bit better.

I understand some don’t have the   to waste on it, and you get a lot of false positives through the process, but I must admit the wildest and by far the vest punts I had were with a girl I met ‘seeking a friend/bf’, a girl I met at some mall in the city or one that says   SP/   Trade on skout!

I do not like to spend much time wooing a girl. In other words, I don't want to burden myself with some kind of romance like heartfelt conversations, hugs, innocent kisses, and so on. That's why I prefer to use escorts like this one https://escorteurogirls.com/. I need sex and nothing else. I'm not ready for a serious relationship yet. I'm satisfied with preparing the cash and getting what I paid for. I had an experience when an escort girl and I had a conversation when we were hugging after sex. It was very cute and I liked it. But now I don't want that. It was a one-time action. I'm completely satisfied with the way things are.

That is a fare response. Every one is different and some are looking for quick fixes, thanks for your honesty, it helps the girls with the various understandings.

Yes and on your point, there is an SM girl over in National Court, she told me about how much she invested in her dungeon, any way, she told me once about a senior Government Official who use to pay her to just sleep under the bed. no other service. the girls do provide a no judgement service to men and even women who want or need a release or experience that doesn't fit within their social circles. its a shame normal people can't accept peoples preferences without judgement.

Likes to chip in my 2 cents.

GFE should more or less depend on the chemistry level, the emotional feelings built up at that time and the vibe that both parties are giving. That will really enhance the whole experience to another level.

However, based on personal experience, most WG is far more experienced in building that "GFE state" that the customer wants and getting whatever needs to be done with the cash in her hands.

Some of us may have experience in dealing with such WG or not wasting further time on building GFE with WG though it may help in the process.

My GFE is on that non-WG, which the process may take a long time but the experience is far better and more satisfying. Of course, not all appreciate this but this will satisfy my requirement like having a french kiss while building that GFE, better than kissing a WG before entering the sex process.

A few things that I’ll throw out there that make a good experience:

1. Ease of booking. I appreciate providers, or their agents, having updated and accurate photos that give me at least a 85% realistic preview of the woman. I respect that they might want to keep the face hidden, but even with a blurred face you can get a sense of what to expect. Then, when you’re ready to book, an efficient and responsive communication method helps immensely. Personally, I prefer TG since my WhatsApp and WeChat makes keeping anonymity a bit difficult.

2. Transparent price. Since I’m English only (my Canto and Mandarin is garbage) I appreciate when the agent or provider is clear on the price and what that includes. My reviews have mainly covered K2/Mia and I like that the price is listed on the website and on the wall at the door of the room.

3. No distractions. The sound of alerts on a phone, or even taking a call, can ruin the mood. I get there is other things they may be dealing with, but for me, I’d like to create a totally relaxing environment free from distractions.

4. Enthusiasm. Listen, I’m not a male model, so when a provider makes me feel like there is genuine interest in taking care of me, it goes a long way. Smiling, giggling playfully, and making an effort to ask what would make me feel good, goes a long way. I really don’t care for the fake moans. While I wouldn’t go as far as saying it’s insulting, it can take away from the mood.  

5. Acknowledgment of repeat visit. It’s difficult to comprehend how many bros these ladies see day in and day out. As such, it’s nice when a provider remembers you and makes some sort of mention of something meaningful.

Happy and safe punting, brothers!

So I would agree with the original post. My other items include
1. No nagging during the session (are you done yet, are you done yet, ...)
2. No negotiating price one the session starts
3. Lots of physical contact
4. Hugging/small talk afterwards

1. Taking it slow and nice
2. Fixed price point
3. Eye contact + smile
4. cuddles

Girls who like to give small talk and who enjoy doing things with you.

I kinda hate girls who is just there for the money

For me, it's more about the welcome, energy, expected service, and acting.  

* Welcome - A hug and smile lets me know I'm at the right place.  Of course, LFK/DFK would be great, but I just want assurance she is ready to provide service.  Grabbing my hand on the way to the table shower is a great touch.  Too timid or quiet and it feels like she just wants it over with.

* Energy - Whether sticking to a script (e.g., 10 min table shower, 15 min massage, 30 min service) or initiating services (whoa, TUMA!), her attitude is key.  Trying to communicate while doing table shower or suggesting positions or services is welcome, as I'm more passive, especially for a first encounter with her (more comfortable leading on the next visit).  Movement and side activities (e.g., playing with my balls or tits while FS or kissing the ears during massage) create an atmosphere where I don't know what is going to happen next.  Lack of energy such as "laying there" during mish or looking away during CG is disappointing.

* Expected service - I also try to do some research to understand what services are available.  So although I love B2B slides in table shower, if I don't think I'm going to get it, I'm okay if it is just a quick cleaning.  Same with DFK -- if I haven't read she does it, I won't be disappointed it isn't offered.  But if a wild table shower is what I've been hearing and I don't get it, it kills my mood.  Or CIM is reported but she says she doesn't do that, that kills my mood.  Although I love BBBJ, if I read that it's typically CBJ, then that is fine.

* Acting - I'm acting being with her, worshiping her and with the tip, I would like her to act like she is into me.  Now, that doesn't mean GFE/PSE but encouragement (even the "you so strong" or fake "ah ah ah" builds the mood) and eye contact is great.  Afterwards, she can count the money and walk out.  

With these four, I'm generally very happy at the end.  Every shop and girl is different and since I monger around my travels, don't get to build up a "regular" or "rotation" so have to explore and temper expectations.

Great experience is a two way street. You want to have one, you should be prepared to give one.
Don't be a jerk to start with. Be on time, be decently dressed and maintain good hygiene. Smell good and have good breath.
Smile, don't be angry or upset if things don't go as what you dreamed of on your first visit. Multiple visits can improve your experience many fold.
Don't be mechanical and arrogant. No matter how much money you are willing to pay, always be respectful.
Buy a gift sometimes, or chocolates or flowers on special occasions.
Basically if you want her to be your girlfriend (even tho momentarily), be worthy of being her boyfriend.
And if you keep the mood positive and happy not only your session goes well, it could improve the chances of a great experience for the next brother too

Kissing mainly. A good kisser makes me think ab her afterwards. Nice conversation can be nice but if she doesnt show u physical intimacy beyond sex its not real GFE.

If she does Kiss + DATY. Sweet talk is cheap.

Eye contact, attitude, willingness to please or switch positions. After sex hug is interesting usually if I nut they run to rinse their mouth or cleanthemselves lol Then we kiss cuddle or massage until times up

Most of the time it's random for me.  It just happens.  I have on occasion had great sex with significant others and WG.  A great session happens about twice a year.   Going in you never know, but once it's there, man it's great.  

Those that weren't random were with women who have not had sex for a while and their coochi is tight as a virgin.  Another two were nymphos and they are hot. Another was a woman who wanted to have a child.  She took control and wanted to fuck all the time to increase her chances.  It's great being a fuck toy.

[ Last edited by  micgao at 20-8-2023 14:42 ]

Sweaty forehead, Flushed face and a  "Fuck, where did you learn to do that?" or "One more baby!" is a great session to me.

For me, a great experience is not about the sex but the connection.

It's been 10+ years but my most memorable punt was in one of those "yellow sign" Mongkok brothels that have since almost gone extinct.

After the sex (which was only average), her and I started to talk.  She confided she's new to Hong Kong and doesn't fully trust the men who brought her from Shenzhen.  She then talked about her living arrangement and how she decided to risk coming to Hong Kong.

When the phone rang to remind us that our 45 minutes was up, she gave me her number and asked I contact her in Shenzhen to hang out when I'm in town.  No talk of sex or money.

Sadly, at the time, I wasn't living in Hong Kong and couldn't follow up with her.  But it was nice to make a personal connection and hear what WGs go through.

One great thing about Hong Kong's mongering environment is, it's mostly open to non-Chinese and non-locals.  But if you can speak Chinese, it heightens the experience much more.

[ Last edited by  furryfriend at 15-9-2023 04:49 ]