Thai girls are a tease! My first experience came in a club called Krystal on Thonglor Soi 25, a hostess club with the typical Thai-style main floor with private rooms upstairs. Although nothing dirty goes on in there, the girls are amazingly hot (white skinned type) and it's just a great place to have a drinking companion for the night. Whether or not you get to kiss, cop a feel or even bring them home afterwards depends on your charm! It opened my eyes to a whole new nightlife scene in Bangkok which to me was much preferable to the "brown meat" of Pattaya and Soi Cowboy. Once you start searching for keywords in Thai, it was easy to find these clubs - Krystal, Czech, The Villa, etc. But as always, I wanted something a little more. I didn't like that nights at these hostess clubs often end up being quite expensive (5,000 baht and up) with a tiny chance of being able to take the girl home. Those that do often ask for another 15,000 or more to spend the night.

That's when the club mamasan introduced me to the EN+V scene, where you get a girl for the whole night (usually 8pm to 8am or so) to enjoy dinner, drinks and whatever comes after. These girls are often students, models or office workers who don't do this full time unlike the girls of Offdek and the like. Even with a price tag of 15,000+, it was still worthwhile with all the extra time on hand and being able to escape the noisy club setting. With the right girl, it's a perfect combination of that sweet date night feeling and GFE on the bed all night.

So far, I've had good experiences with VVIP (http://nav.cx/bbrn146) which is run by the massage parlor The Bachelor, Gingmodeling (LINE: @Mickyindizzz), Date with Pretty (www.datewithpretty.com).

I'm looking to try other agents, so I wonder if you guys have any recommendations and leads for EN+V in Bangkok? Bonus if the agent understands English! Much appreciated!

Thanks for posting, sassydude. Seems you've been on here since 2007, so you know that readers of this forum are keen for on-the-ground info on Bangkok and Thailand.

I'm curious about your experiences with the three platforms you mentioned:

• VVIP (http://nav.cx/bbrn146) which is run by the massage parlor The Bachelor
• Gingmodeling (LINE: @Mickyindizzz)
• Date with Pretty (www.datewithpretty.com)

Maybe you can write some info? Thanks in advance.

Also, I don't know the term "EN+V" so maybe explain that also. "Pretty" is used in Thailand for girls who make promotional experiences--everything from beer promo girls to car show models, I guess.

JtB

EN means entertainment, i.e. normal promotion, party and dinner
V means VIP service, i.e. sex.

Recently l read some sad news of the death of a pretty after the hostess party.

Here's a news article on this regrettable incident:
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thai ... -pretty-party-death



Thanks.

Years ago, I was relaxing on the hotel bed with one of Thai Roy's stable. I'd seen her a few times and realized that she much preferred to speak in Thai, which isn't easy for me but...whatever. We were lounging around naked between rounds and she showed me a group on Line, the dominant messaging platform for Thais, called the "Model and Pretty Group"...it was all in Thai as you can imagine.

She scrolled through this list of jobs--there was everything from full-time waitressing to part-time companions. All over the country. Prices and duration of employment listed. Her analysis while quick-scrolling: "This one, sex. This one, no sex. Sex. No sex. No sex..." Of course the jobs involving sex paid more.

I'm sure there are many more such groups today.

JtB

Have to say I looked at VVIP- paid some money. Got a huge album - tried to book one. Was told it was for “entertainment only” and needed to send yet more money in order to go the level where you can book which just seemed like a scam. Also have tried aging Modelling -1000 for them to talk to you and the quality of the girls they sent across cia line was “meh”. For me this has been a dead end. What I really need is a new Gik as my 24 year old one became a bit needy.

Yep, that's right.

EN = Entertainment. It'll be like a paid first date but usually not much touching or anything beyond that.
EN+ V = Entertainment and sex
EN+Up = Entertainment, sex (I think?) and drugs. A definite no-no for any foreigner to get caught up in this, in my opinion.

Unfortunately, that is how most of these agents operate. A ~1,000 baht fee is required to see the photos and it can be offset against the cost of the booking. They're not scams in the sense that you do get the girl providing the services advertised, but I agree this prepayment thing is rather dodgy.

Yes, those are very abundant these days. I remember a case a year or two ago where a LINE group with lots of university girls in it got busted by the police. I've not had any luck getting direct access and I'm sure my English speaking ass would get kicked out right away

As for my personal experiences with the EN+V girls, they've been generally quite positive. The hardest thing is finding a suitable girl who speaks English/Chinese. After all, there's not much point going to dinner or clubbing and spending a whole 12 hours together if there's no conversing to be had. My usual routine is to grab a quick bite first to see how we get along, followed by drinks at a nicer cocktail bar. If she's still a little uptight, I'll take her to a club and play some of those silly dice drinking games, get her dancing and loosen her up. Aim to get back to the hotel by 11-ish and get 2 or 3 rounds in before 8am if things go well. It's really quite a different game from the transactional beerfine girls, but it's what I enjoy.

I'm not in Thailand at the moment and writing this up makes me wonder about the Thermae Cafe scene. Have prices gone down? Are there more uni and part time girls there? Perhaps now would be the ideal time to get a EN+V deal there for a lower price and without having to go through agents.

If you enjoy it, then it's right for you! There are many different ways to tangle with Thai femmes in this town.



If you're not in Thailand now, the only way you can enter is by gathering the requisite paperwork and booking an ASQ hotel. Agoda now has a section for ASQ:

https://www.agoda.com/quarantineTH

Reports have seized on the "14-day quarantine" mantra, but you'll notice they sell you a 15-night package because that's ASQ. There's talk of shortening the timeframe but as of now, it's just talk. Stay tuned and keep the faith.

Last time I went to the Thermae I found a lovely companion for 1,000 baht. Had so much fun with her I went down there the next night and plucked her outta there again!

Haven't been there since. When it was closed during COVID Lockdown 1 last year there were freelancers all around the entrance...then again, after the sun sets there are always freelancers in the area LOL. I haven't been in the area recently, not at night. Lower Sukhumvit is a bit depressing these days.

You wrote: "My usual routine is to grab a quick bite first to see how we get along, followed by drinks at a nicer cocktail bar"...for the EN+V level, were you following the same MO with Thermae pickups? Just curious.

JtB

Hi JtB,

My last punt i had at Thermae I asked the girl if she wanted a bite to eat before going to my hotel room. She was so surprised and said yes. I told her to choose a Thai place nearby that she likes.

We had a nice late meal together and we would have been at the restaurant for over an hour. She had fluent English and was an office worker during the day.

It was a great "ice breaker" and fair to say we had a wonderful time back at my hotel.

My motto is treat the girl well and you will be rewarded 2 fold.

As Thermae girls are mainly part timers I think they like this approach.

I have also done this at the Bier Garden with similar rewards.

Obe

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Bro obe is right. Treating the girl well is the key to a good night. A girl at Thermae may be impressed by a quick KFC meal, while a EN+V model might require a fancier dinner to achieve the same effect. But nonetheless, I always factor the time and cost in to my plan to set up for good things to come.

As for returning to Thailand, I'll do it as soon as I get my second vaccine jab and the total quarantine time (Thailand + HK round trip) falls under 2 weeks. There's only a narrow window before foreigners flood Thailand again. I gotta get there first!

Right now Thailand is 15 nights minimum.

sassydude, over a third of your posts since 2007 are on this thread alone, so you're obviously keen to visit the Kingdom! Excellent!

There are many businesses here that will welcome you, so keep yourself informed on the rules and regs of entering Thailand. Here's some basic info:

https://www.thaiembassy.com/travel-to-thailand/how-to-travel-to-thailand-in-2021

It is subject to change--in fact, the STV and the fit-to-fly certificate have already been scrapped. In any case, you will want to read first-person reports of non-Thais who've actually made the trip. There are already many such reports online, but Thailand does not meet your criterion as stated above, so just chill for the time being.

As for the "narrow window" you mentioned, that's speculative at this point. We're experiencing an unprecedented global pandemic.

JtB

From what I have been told and that may be wrong is that even once you have been vaccinated you still can carry the virus and pass it onto others. So this means there won't be any opening up until the majority of people are vaccinated.

The vaccine will reduce the possibility of severe illness or death.  Studies are still being done on whether the vaccine will keep it spreading through the respiratory system of an infected person.  So you have vaccinated and you inhale the virus, will your antibodies and T Cells kill the virus before you exhale it out and reduce transmission from asymptomatic people?

Isreal has conducted a study that has yet to be peer reviewed that shows that its vaccine greatly reduces asymptomatic transmission.

https://www.reuters.com/article/ ... edition-redirect=in

This is good news but again, not peer reviewed yet.

As the studies comes out we will have a better idea how well the vaccines reduces transmission rates.

China is allowing people to enter the country only if the people use a Chinese made vaccine.  Is a new Chinese visa type coming?

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/17/ ... -made-vaccines.html

In the meantime, vaccine or no vaccine, people should still wear a mask, keep distance when possible and practice good hygiene.  You may be vaccinated but that does not mean you cannot get OOVID virus on your hands from surfaces and then give it to someone that is not vaccinated.  It is such a simple thing to keep you hands clean but goes a real long way.

More domestic travel will likely be allowed or between boarder countries because of economic reasons.  Oversees travel is unlike.  The EU is working on some form of COVID vaccinated ID as part of its reopening of cross boarder travel.  Perhaps at some point, vaccination documentation will be necessary that all countries agree upon entry into a country.

I'm well aware of the vaccination and quarantine situation in Thailand. Although I live in HK, I manage a team of 30+ Thais in my company and I typically spend half the year in Bangkok during pre-Covid times. The quarantine will be reduced to 10 days in 1 April, then to 7 for recently vaccinated individuals. At this point we are still lacking details on the accepted vaccines (as far as I understand, Thai authorities have only recognized AstraZeneca and SinoVac) and I totally expect them to do a few policy U-turns along the way. Hopefully things go well in this regard. I've already got my first vaccine jab.

Before the pandemic, if you went to Thermae in the early evening, the girls would not even be happy when she found out your hotel was not close to Asok because she would like to finish the meeting as soon as possible and come back to the cafe for the second or even third round of the evening. I guess most of them are not interested in any meal before back to the hotel.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thai ... to-phuket-from-july

The above link mentioned that the Phuket local authority has approved a new no quarantine plan for foreign visitors starting from July 1. I don't know whether such plan still need the approval from the PM.

Anyway, to make the plan feasible, Phuket authority targets a 70% vaccination rate to achieve herb immunity. Hence, nearly one million vaccine should be available for the locals before July. The fact is the vaccine from AstraZeneca (61 million) will only be available in Q3 & Q4. It's still a long road to go.

Phuket is perhaps the hardest hit region in Thailand. But they do have the geographical advantage of being able to zone itself off from the mainland as a quarantine-free zone. I hope it goes well and the relaxing of quarantine continues in Bangkok/Pattaya.

I don't like making up new compound nouns, but I'm going to for this situation: connect-the-dots-ism (CTDism for short).

The BKK Post article includes yet another acronym-organization, the Centre for Economic Situation Administration (CESA), to go along with the TAT, CAAT (Civil Aviation Authority of Thailand), and the CCSA. All of whom are supposed to have some say in visitor-entry to the Kingdom--it was the CAAT, for example, who blocked me from getting a boarding pass at Chek Lap Kok over a year ago when all the shit came down. I had to hurriedly book one-way flights HKG > SIN and SIN > BKK to get home. I've not been near an airport since.

CTDism explains why Phuket is mentioned so often: there are monied interests here (primarily in BKK) who have vested interests in Phuket and that revenue is near zero without the flow of international tourists. They're trying to salvage high season 2021-2022 as 2020-2021 was a bust. The best strategy is to open the island mid-year to convince would-be tourists to book for high season.

A careful read of this article reveals a pyramid of qualifiers. Deputy PM Supattanapong, "who is also the energy minister" (not to be confused with deputy PM Anutin, who is also the health minister) says the "CESA will today consider a reopening plan approved by business operators on the island." We've got some acronym-body considering a plan by biz operators who are drowning in red ink.

"They believe if the government supports the plan, the province should reopen before October," said Supattanapong. Parse that sentence--could it possibly be more gauzy? How about this one: "[TAT] governor Yuthasak Supasorn, previously said the reopening plan will depend depend largely on vaccine allocation to the Andaman Sea island."

So it depend depends, on what? I guess it might help to call "the plan" by what the BKKP calls it: the "Phuket Tourism Sandbox"--except that Phuket is an island-province connected to the rest of Thailand by a land bridge, not exactly a sandbox.

Plenty of depend depend in the article: "The plan is said to include"..."communities are expected to support this plan more so than last year's Phuket model"..."According to the sandbox proposal"..."if the 100,000 doses can be administered to people in Phuket within one month"..."The government plans to distribute 800,000 doses of China's Sinovac vaccine"...there's a lot of expectations and planning before the Phuket Tourism Sandbox (PTS) fills its castles.

I apologize if this sounds overly cynical. But the big boys here have been crying "Wolf!" since someone (I forget who) announced they'd be reopening to tourism July 1 2020, i.e. "last year's Phuket model" IIRC. The reality is:

• The majority of Thai citizens do not want tourism to resume as before--because they don't want ~40m visitors during a global pandemic. Everyone knows someone whose life/work has been affected by the cratered tourism industry, that's not the issue.

• Many Thais do not want the Sinovac jab. I don't know any percentages. Vaccines and their origin have become politicized and COVID has caused some rifts in people's thinking, I don't need to go into this.

tl;dr: It's been reported that there's a plan to allow quarantine-free access to Thai soil as of July 1 2021. Stay tuned.

JtB

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