So I have seen this post about SA on the forum recently.  The guy explains SA as Seeking Arrangement. Wanted to know how that works or itnis similar to picking up girls in a bar

Its hard to explain, kinda like tinder + picking up girls at bar + hotel walk in.

the girls on SA tend to be local girls. They are typically around 19-27yrs old. There are some working girls, those tend to cut straight to chase and ask you for how much within 1 mins. For most -  There is some dating, where both parties are trying to figure each other out. Tif there is no connection the girl will not take it to meet-up. But its actually fairly easy. A lot of the times - i get asked a lot of questions where i am from, am i asian - they have their own filters.

Normally that is the first hurdle - And if each decide to proceed there is an expectation of you financially supporting her. This comes normally in two forms - paid per meet (ppm) or monthly - ppm can range from 5k to 10k ive found. Monthly can be anywhere from 10k to 30k per month. But you can see them every week. You gotta read between the lines in their profiles, not all girls are offering this but a lot are ( i am referring to ppm and monthly services - some girls are treating SA as a normal dating site)

I have only had ppm - but the dates ive been on are all trying to convert me to monthly.

Its a quite different experience. Each date ive been on has been like a 2 to 5 hr event. Dinner, talking then getting down and dirty. But because your spending more time to connect the sessions are gfe and quite different than a walk-up. All in all, it can be much more expensive, but i find myself liking it and its a change from the walkup scene.

From my experience most girls are looking for Sugar Daddies - as was mentioned before some wants PPM while others wants a monthly allowance. It's not for me - too expensive. In excess of 30K per month.

This is a re-post from a previous thread.

I've listed a few differences, and they are just my personal observations.  These two categories are just "different" and some may prefer one over the other, while the reverse is true for some.  Just sharing information, and curious to hear other experienced punters chime in.


1) Price per punt:  There may be some real value in seekingarrangement newbies, but I seem to come across many who are trying to overcharge, maybe go to the $600-$1000 range.  Especially saw this in NYC, where everything is inflated, but starting to creep up in different cities.  The good thing about the pros is that the price is already set and predetermined.  The negative is that pros tend to stay for just the allotted time (either 30 or 60 min, or whatever) and are usually clock-watching.  Semi-pros tend to not pay too much attention to the time, and it's common to have drinks/dinner/lunch etc beforehand, just to get to know each other better.  It's more GFE, in the sense that it's almost like a date.

2) Pros don't care if you are married, in fact, sometimes they prefer it that way, so you won't be clingy or too needy of their time.  A few of the seekingarrangement profiles specifically say "NO MARRIED GUYS"  The reason is maybe some self-consciousness, or sometimes they are afraid of a crazy wife coming after them.

3) BYOC - need to bring your own condom for semi-pros, usually.  I suspect some bareback is going on, since some of these semi-pros don't know the business that well, and are a bit naive.  But I always insist on a cover.

4) There's quite a bit more pre-meeting work when punting on seekingarrangement.  Emails back and forth, sending pics of yourself, getting some rejections.  Some girls take a few days to even respond, and some won't respond at all.  I've gotten some who will ask for a picture, and then go silent...   I'm OK with that, no biggie.  

5) The few girls I talk to all say that seekingarrangement is HUGE in the college campuses.  LOTS of girls know about it, and they love meeting up with rich old guys, LOL.  The sugar-baby scene is apparently quite popular, and they will introduce it to each other.

6) There are apparently some sugardaddies out there that are looking just for friendship, companionship (non-sexual), someone young and pretty to dine with, strictly platonic set-ups.  This surprises me, but apparently it's out there.  

7) I've done too much punting throughout these past few years, and I've become desensitized to the pros who see multiple clients a day, who are mechanical, and go through the same routine with every punter they see.  In my early years, this was OK and I could still have an enjoyable time.  But these days, the thought of being in line with 10-15 other punters seeing the same girl... kinda grosses me out.  That's why the seekingarrangement peaks my interest.  So far so good, almost all of these ladies have been super-horny!  One way to tell, they get extremely wet down there upon some nominal stimulation, DATY, FIV, etc.  NO LUBE NEEDED!   ) With pros, they have a "business" so they have incentive to be on time, show up when they say they will, and generally try to give good service.  Otherwise, they might suffer from negative reviews, which will in turn hurt their business.  With semi-pros/seekingarrangement ladies, there's no such mechanism for checks and balance.  So if they flake out and don't show up, there's not much recourse for the punter.  


After a few more months on seekingarrangement, I have some additional insight to share, and hope these may be of benefit to some fellow punters.


1. Some girls out there do not have a good understanding of the "sugar" relationship.  They either put out nothing essentially, and expect to be paid, some just to talk to them or even for the initial "meet and greet".  Make sure to weed those out right away.  
2. You can tell a LOT from their profile.  Some just talk about themselves exclusively, even being bold enough to call themselves "spoiled", "love to shop", expensive taste, "spoil me rotten", what can you do for me attitude shines through.  AVOID these.  The profile can also reveal some underlying attitude issues, "don't waste my time" "any REAL men out there"  AVOID these.
3. I am weary of 18-20 year olds.  The maturity is usually not there.  Of course you have to always watch out to make sure they are at least 18 years old!
4. You have to be an expert in evaluating photographs.  Some end up much less attractive than their glamour shots they took 10 years ago.  Some, however, have average pictures, but turn out to be very pretty in person!   
5. Moving to texting / phone call is my goal.  That shows some intent and openness on their part.  
6. Watch out for the crazy / bipolar / depressed ones.
7. We all like different things, but I tend to prefer college educated, or even ladies with higher education, graduate degrees.  Just more in common, for me.  For some of you, education level might not be a big deal.  
8. When to discuss the money aspect of the arrangement.  This has varied, but it has worked well both ways.  Sometimes we get that agreement beforehand, even before we meet.  Othertimes, we discuss in person only after dinner/drinks etc. when we both want to proceed with the arrangement.  
9. If the sugarbaby LIKES you, you are GOLDEN   For providers, almost all of them will proceed with the act and basically pretend (if they are skilled) to give you some affection and let you bang them.  For the SB's who connect with you, WOW, they will be all over you, dripping wet pussy, tongue lashing, humping you like crazy in cowgirl, leg-shaking, multi-orgasmic events!  It's unbelievable what can occur, and it would be highly unlikely to duplicate for professional providers, at least in my limited experience.
Set boundaries about phone calls, frequency of texts, frequency of visits, and expected allowances.

Can share what is your monthly upkeep on average?
base on your experiences on filtering girls, isn't it better to met those pass ur first filtered to see if they are acceptable then over filter? Photoshop sometime make it hard to filter. Or all meet up cost $$$$?

Ive only been doing this for a month - ive prob spent 40k this month. There is no transaction, the only upfront cost is hotel rooms and dinner. You will reach an agreement before any real money exchange hands.  Mostly dinner dates / coffee is just the expense of the meal - because  you are trying to get to know each other. After one date you know - or right during the date you find a hotel room.

Ive kinda been doing this differently because of the lockdown and everything closes at 6:00, i normally book the meet and great at a nice hotel and we do room service. If things click your already setup for it. Ive had one date where i booked the hotel room and decided not to proceed - worst case your out 1k or 2k based on the room costs. Ive had one situation where it didnt work out - so i just chilled and relaxed in the room for the night.

I use tg which telegram - your sharing photos and getting to know them before the meet, so its been prefiltered. Highly recommend you download the app if your going to start SA

Just as jeffzeke mentioned - i found myself liking this a lot more because once you connect the sex is amazing and thr gfe is at a level i feel you cannot get in a walk-up situation -  it does cost a lot more so you gotta be comfortable with the costs.

Sorry typo i ment to say 30k not 40k

To have success on SA, it would help if you are a qualify as a legit SD.  Successful, professional career, and you have discretionary income.  It also helps if you are confident and treat the SB's in a respectful way.

Many younger SB's in their 20's have not experienced very enjoyable sex due to limitations of their previous partners.  Pre-mature ejaculation, lack of interest in pleasing women, and overall lack of skill as a lover are very common in their peer-group (guys in their 20's).  So an experienced lover to can get them to cum over and over, plus give them an allowance, can be VERY attractive to many good-looking young women.  

If you can get to 500 Karma points (Lustful Lord status), please feel free to check out the "Restricted Access" section.  I, along with other punters, have reviews of hundreds of girls we've met on SA.

[ Last edited by  jeffzeke at 17-8-2020 05:28 ]

How can one start this kind of punt？  Any guide and usual places for a beginner ？

Simply join the Premium member on the SA site. You can start with one month membership. It’s around 90 US dollars. Then, you can access the profiles of lots of SBs and send them messages. Enjoy your adventure.

just like check the probability of a SB has multiple partner is high, does it make a big different from HG ?
Example if this SB has 10 SD eventually it become regulated process work for them.

Looking at the SB profiles, it is quite apparent from some of them that they are not really different from freelance escorts. So it's easy to stay away from those. As for the genuine non-pros, which are the majority, I doubt any of them experience the same volume of SDs as an HG that services multiple Johns every day.

@prokchops

That cost is for 3 different girls, one ive seen twice snd the other two just once.

Its all in. Thats allowances plus expenses. I am thinking about selecting one girl snd try the monthly, so that allowance alone is 30k plus expenses next month, which doesnt include dinner or hotels.

I've gotten lucky on SA alot of times in the sense that i've never had to pay to sleep with girls (unless you count dinner)

I guess my general strategy is to message girls who use SA as a dating service ... here's the most recent girl i hooked up with (only 18 asian college student who came back from overseas!)
SA is alot of fun

[ Last edited by  hmoody2555 at 18-8-2020 03:30 ]

I think you are that handsome to date them without paying them out per session?

Agree with everything here.  I've been exclusively using SA for years now. You really can meet girls of a caliber not possible otherwise. Intelligent, sexy, open minded.

More often than not, you don't need to be handsome. Just need to be respectful and nice.  Apparently this is rare enough to garner you king-like treatment in return.  It hasn't failed get.

Watch-out for some crazy ones and those that want to the you down after a few dates.

There is no going rate I find. Be honest with what you're comfortable with. Most will accept what you offer provided you are respectful and nice.

I've meet a couple of local girls over the past several years that have given me some of the best sex of my life.  Both fitness girls both with amazing arses, and very genuine.

P.S.  I could use the karma points to join the SA discussion on the restricted access posts.

It has become a norm to expect money or gifts in hk dating scenario. Most girls i meet on dating apps usually expect some compensation.

To those that have not tried SA, above responses have already covered the basics. It's a paid (compensated) dating arrangement and you feel much more gfe than your usual walk up.

So it is for bros willing to:
1- to spend more than your usual walk up (4-6K per meet with fuck)
2- bang some local hk or expat girls, not the usual prc, thai, Viet assortment
3- there are girls on there that actually look for a relationship
4- there are girls looking only looking to get wined and dined (careful of these ones)
5- they all have their reasons and stories as to why they're there
6- expect to invest in conversation and trial. You'll get some rejections on the way
7- they choose you and you choose them. So best to tidy yourself up.

As always, give and take, you'll have to be respectful to get anywhere on SA.

SA was like a gold mine in 2018 especially, even during 2019. But once the pandemic happened the talent seemed to dry up. I wonder if the border reopening will help change things now.

I have been on SA for a couple of months.
There seems to be a small flood of uni students signing up right now.
Because one of the popular youtubers talked positively about her sugar daddy.

The quality of the SA site has deteriorated compare with when I was last on it (pre COVID).