Fellas, we spend a lot of time reporting crackdowns and LE activity but it seems there is less talk about the more subtle noose tightening in HK and Macau over the last few months. I'm referring to media content of a sexual nature (both online and print) and (separately???) open racial discrimination (incl on good-ole sex141). Here are a few recent examples that popped to my attention. Coincidence it is all happening in the same couple of months....I doubt it. Do any of you have similar observations or insight into what forces / legislation is driving this to happen?

1. Local online newspaper such as AppleDaily and OrientalDaily appear to have dropped all adult content from their websites. Up until two months ago and for many years before then (almost since the dawn of the internet...like, back before 2000), these two HK newspapers provided extensive daily content and advertising for the major Macau KTVs and SNs. Basically they featured pictorials of newly-arrived working girls and spreads of various girls at each establishment. I've watched over the years as this content became increasingly censored and then, in September, it just disappeared completely from both sights and in it's place came wholesone family pix. WTF?

2. Other Macau SNs like East and Sanado that advertised on other sites (incl cn141) grew increasingly censored over the last years (does anyone remember the online advertising for these two SNs back in 2004-2008...WOW, fantastic!!!) and then also disappeared completely a few months ago.

3. The One Night Stand and Start Up! magazines featuring Macau SN and KTV girls disappeared from the racks of 18, Golden, Emperor and Rio within the last months. I assume anyone who visited these places in the past noticed the shelves of porn beside the lounges. Well, as of last month at 18 the mags were completely gone and management looked embarassed and wouldn't provide a straight answer when I asked what had happened that led to the mags being removed. Like #1 above, the shelves of mags have been a staple in the Macau SNs herein for many, many years now so everything disappearing in one fell swoop is quite surprising.

4. 141 site pix appear to be increasingly censored compared to the past and that's been a trend for years now (not to mention all the competing sites like best161 that were wiped off the internet completely and, IMHO, had much higher quality pix). First it went from real pix with nudity to photoshop some years back, then highly photoshopped pix so that the girls looked more like barbie doll versions of themselves. What legislation or political pressure is pressuring sex141 and other sites? There's nothing illegal about walk-ups under HK or SNs under Macau law and, so far as I know, there's no legal basis to restrict such online content in either jurisdiction. Is it Big Brother in Beijing who's making this happen in spite of such action not being supported by HK and Macau laws?

5. Popular content sites like sepai.cc have been completely purged in the last few month. Just taking sepai.cc as an example for anyone unfamiliar with it, this was one of the largest sites for nude pix of Chinese women...all of them above and professionally photographed. Again, there's no legal basis whatsoever for the authorities to shut down such sites right? In place of the previous content on such sites one now gets, you guessed it, wholesome pix of families playing on a sunny beach and the like. Huhhh?

These are just some of the examples I've noted along with a different but equally perplexing change at sex141 whereby there's a new category that differentiates girls on the site who "Serve Foreigners." WTF is that about....does one see sites in other countries that specify what type of customers a girl receives based on his race? What's next on sex141....will there be a category for girls who only provide service for someone who's waistline is less than a certain size or who's penis is under a certain length? What constitutes a foreigner anyway? Does this mean anyone who isn't East Asian, anyone who isn't 100% ethnically Chinese (so that someone who's father is Manchu is excluded?) or simply anyone who doesn't have a Hong Kong citizenship? If the latter and most narrow definition, then I guess Indians and Caucasians who are Hong Kong citizens are OK but not someone from Shenzhen or Shanghai?     

WTF is going on with this website and online / print media throughout HK and Macau? More broadly, what's going on with HK and Macau as so-called "World Cities" segrating the scene by race, restricting "foreigners" (incl, of course, Mainlanders) from buying a home, etc.? Where will it end and what's the ultimate goal of those leading the drive? It seems not only contrary to the law but also racist....both hallmarks of initiatives that generally come from far to the north of the Pearl Delta, right? Is it the start of a campaign to purge "foreigners" and what's totally legal but deemed to be "immoral" content? Whatever it is, it doesn't seem to bode well for HK continuing to be the open and cosmopolitan that has made it such a unique city over the last century. Perhaps it's just osmosis and over the coming years the divide between HK and SZ will become increasingly narrow. That, I would speculate, is precisely what the powers-that-be who are in congress right now want to happen and what one sees in so many facets of life here (freedom of speech, media independence, national education, etc)...and right down to the little details of the scene which is the focus of this forum.

- Matsu

[ Last edited by  matsumoto at 9-11-2012 23:03 ]

Hmmm, interesting observations you have made.

I dont know the porn laws in either HK or Macau.., but it could be the fact that even though prostitution is legal in both places, solicitation is not.  Perhaps advertising for prostitution is a slippery line that opens them up to being targeted by LE.

Thanks for the reply on this topic. I imagine your observation is generally correct but what's going on behind the scenes that these examples I listed have all occurred in the last 3mo span? Solicitation or not, these media and print outlets that have recently disappeared have existed uninterrupted for more than a decade before now. Moreover, the "Serve for Foreigners" category just introduced to sex141 has nothing to do with any tension about prostitution, solicitation, etc. It's just out-of-the-blue. Last year, they set up a category for PD (physically disabled) which I actually took as quite progressive and meaning WGs who explicitly served those who might have some handicap. But to single out "foreigners" seems to be quite the opposite of liberal. It's just open racism and, as noted above, leaves completely open ended who constitutes a "foreigner." If all of this signals a coordinated policy shift and direction being implemented by the political establishment (which, of course, increasingly means the Beijing handlers behind the HK gov't), then I would think it's a matter of time before racial segregation appears in establishments...as adopted by Japan and Korea over the years.

Any thoughts or comments on this topic much appreciated.

[ Last edited by  matsumoto at 9-11-2012 23:17 ]

I think the foreigner issue is less conspiratorial than you think.  A lot of gals dont like servicing foreigners.  Gweilo-Dick-Syndrome is part of it, as is cultural preferances and such.  Frankly, I think it is a good thing that they say so up-front.  Better this, then finding out when it is too late and you're already in the room.  You have to admit, the service they provide cannot be compared to a waitress in a restaurant where not serving foreigners would clearly be out-of-line.

Point well taken re: foreigners but why does a new anti-foreigner category appear (for the first time of any online service in HK based on my knowledge / experience) after many, many years of sex41 and a host of other similar online sites? And, again, who is the "foreigner"...if it's all about GDS and general racism related to stereotypical and/or perceived variations among different types of human beings then is one to assume Koreans, Japanese, Vietnamese, Mongolians, etc do or don't qualify as foreigners? What about some big fellla from Haerbin who's hung like Chinggis Khaan? If GDS is the excuse, then we all need to register the sizes of our penises (erect and non-erect, of course) on sex141 so the girls can filter properly for GLDS (ie, Gweilo-like Dick Syndrome so as to capture the offending East Asians who have large dicks and therefore are "Gweilo-like" and clear those "Gweilos" who actually have smaller dicks).   

But, returning to the question of restrictive (and illegal) moves against online and print, it makes me question what type of steps the forces behind such steps might be taking in monitoring online activity (incl this forum). I mean, if they're bothering to shut down light porn sites of Chinese girls (again, in another racial twist, most non-Chinese porn sites are left unblocked in HK and Macau even if hardcore but ones showing simple - dare I say, artistic - nudity of Chinese girls like sepai.cc have had content completely erased in the last few months) then I would find difficult to imagine they aren't actively monitoring this site and forum....and god knows what kind of info they're able to gather re: users. I don't know much about IT but I do know the PRC public security bureau delves deep into those online arenas which the gov't directs them to target....and it seems sexual content is being targeted not only in the PRC (that's old news...though it's interesting how much you can pull up if you use Chinese characters rather than Roman alphabet which is severely proscribed in the Mainland) but also HK and Macau (that, I think, is perhaps not new but appears to be becoming quietly more intense).

In my experience in Asia I found that places that restrict "foreigners" are typically referring to non-asians.  Gweilos and blacks and maybe Indians.

But, I dont think there is any connection between these new porn restrictions you've mentioned and this new "Service for Foreigners" category on 141.  The fact they've happened at the same time is just a coincidence in my opinion.

Many of the saunas in Macau dropped their own websites for some reason.

Big Boss, Boss, Supreme Sauna, East, RIO, and others once had webites with pictures of girls. Now, these sites are gone.

Actually, East/Sanado still have online site via URL eaststartgroup.com but it is heavily sanitized (sadly, as several years ago it used to contain very hot photos of their line-up). The only places I've noticed pix still remaining of the main Macau clubs are actually on Japanese and Korean sites. Ironically, the action in Macau doesn't appear to be advertised on Macau or HK sites now. That's quite ironic and, as noted previously, a big change from how things have operated for many years.

Yes, I am talking about a listing of girls that were available.  Some sites had each girl's number, their bust size, and some with names.


My fovorite was Supreme Sauna website.  www.macau-night-life.com  It's a Japanese site now.

[ Last edited by  Weelock at 10-11-2012 14:42 ]

Right, those were the good ole days. The eaststartgroup's website photos now are so heavily photoshopped as to look like cartoon illustrations more than photos. Up until recently, the 141 website (Macau portal) offered the kind of info (measurements, photos and name of each girl) at Sanado and East but that disappeared altogether about 2 months ago after the content (ie, girls' photos) had become increasingly less risque over the last few years.

Surely some of the seniors / mods / admin on this forum must have some insight into the political pressures facing online sexual content in HK and Macau. Is this a sensitive topic to RA (or so sensitive that those who know can't say?) or can informed comments be made openly in this thread?