Hey bros.

I just visited Yan Yan http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/forumdisplay.php?fid=24  and gave her a pretty poor report. I feel really bad, cos when I was in her room, I saw a rice cooker.  A rice bowl with a glass lid, saw some kind of beef and sauce inside. It reminded me of my student life, rice + meatballs inside and bam, a simple meal, just like yan yan.

Although it was a pretty crappy session, I worry if my report will make people stay away from her. She'd lose business and what would happen? Do the average WGs earn a decent living or do they end up dead and spend their monies on drugs like in most american tv shows?

I feel totally guilty and I didn't find much when I searched the forums with "earn". So... if my report is going to cripple Yan Yan's business, I'd like to have it removed...

quite honestly, i wouldn't feel too bad.
If this was a food forum and you went to a restaurant that served crappy food, would you feel bad telling people to stay away?
And besides. We all have limited funds...wouldn't you want a WG that's worth our time to make the money? Or would you rather not say anything....let a poor service WG get money...and let a good service WG starve? heehee =)~

~UD

Agreed with UD, and a single poor report on the English forum is of little impact.

Your report might influence the odd Westerner who studies 141 before going out.

This is a very tiny fraction of the HK punting population.

What would you rather do though... Lie for her sake & the next guy write a true report?

Best to just be honest. But I understand what you mean. It is like everything else in the world. If you want people to use your service you have to be good at that service or they will not return or give you a good name.

I used to have a shit job in manual labor. I hated it. It paid shit. My boss was shit. ButI needed the cash, and the work was regular. Did that make me some poor pity deserving guy? Nope. That's life. Some jobs suck, and you just bear it and move on. And if I had done a shit job of it because I didn't like it, I would have been fired. Plenty of other guys waiting to do the same work.

Its the same in any profession. If someone decides to be a WG, then hey need to do agood job of it. If they don't, I am going to take my business to someone who does. Sure, some people have off days. But you know when someone is phoning it in. And as long as there are girls out there that are NOT phoning it in, you are doing THEM a disservice by not pointing out the ones who are.

As for how much they make, it's not a lot but it's better I than they would make working at the 7-11 across the street. How often do you feel bad for the girl who works there?

They cook rice to save money for something who knows. I know of WG who go to Macau every weekend and blow off all of their earnings and still borrow money to gamble.not saying your girls like that but they have choices and earn pretty decent money in comparison to the normal working person out there.

Being a WG is like in every other service industry, if you don't give good service you will not survive. If a waiter is rude he or she gets fired, if a sales rep is not good at what he or she does they get canned. So eventually the market will dictate whether or nt she will survive or not. Don't worry about it.


Asndragon

This is Hong Kong where even billionaires have rice cookers at home.

One bad report isn't gonna hurt her.  And even if it does, it's a good thing for her to improve and earn more money.

If they are bad at what they do, they will eventually move on.  I never write bad reviews.  Only when the girl deserves a good review will I write one.

The ricecooker was one of those old ones, with a glass lid, it just looked like a pot! It was like, oolld with those flowery patterns.

After reading these posts, I suppose the Eng forums really does make a small impact and I suppose that in order to survive in HK, you have to be competitive. Thanks, I don't feel too bad anymore, but just for my own consciousness, I won't write over-critical reports anymore.

When a walk up cooks in her room its because she wants to eat more 'healthy' food rather then getting a rice box delivered ... it has nothing to do with her income or how much she spends

sooo you want to keep a wg who gives crappy service in business???? why??? If she is not good you are doing her a favor helping her move on to something she is good at.

Sigh. She had a very strong mandarin accent > she probably immigrated to HK to find a better life, only to end up in prostitution. That's my train of thoughts.

And alright, point taken on the healthy food aspect.

Perhaps you can think of it another way. She was perhaps a WG in china already and decided to immigrate to HK to be a WG to earn more money than back in china especially when she can openly be in this business in HK whereas in china it is still not Techinically legal.

Or she came over for a man got married and he cheated on her and then divorced and became a WG to support herself. Or divorced because het HK in laws look down on china people. Happens a lot to 141 girls and HK sauna girls.

Who knows its ok...

Asndragon

You should NOT feel sorry for these working girls. If you see how much money they make compared to the average girl their age. They are making extremely good money. The average girl their age, working at restaurants, clothing stores, or factories is somewhere from 1200 rmb to 2800 rmb a month. And you have to factor in the long hard hours they have to work to earn this money.

On the other hand, there are problems and issues with working girls. First, majority SEND most of their money back home. The majority of the girls are in the business on their own which is a good thing. They chose to go into this business and NOT forced. What money left left is very little for themselves. While, others have dead beat boyfriends who these girls give most of their money to.

A small percentage parents borrow money and have to pay it back with high interest rates. These girls are forced to get quick cash. Most likely it's for a family emergency like medical reasons. While a small percentage are tricked and forced into the trade.

So how much can an average KTV girl make in 1 weeks in just 5-6 hours of work just sitting with a customer ? Most places it's 200 to 300 just to sit with a customer. Getting 200 for a sitting fee, is harder to find now in China that has both quality and quantity. In 5  to 7 days she can make 1000 to 1700 rmb a week. This amount is after management taking out their fees. Anything else like ST and LT is extra. This estimate is on the conservative side. After LT and ST and the higher end KTV's, sponsorship, they can make a lot lot more.

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In Singapore,

They are allowed to work for 2 years, and after paying for everything including room/board/travel/daily expense and their monthly remittance for their "factory jobs" in Singapore, they take home around a million RMB for the popular ones. The less popular ones go home earlier, and the really popular ones are Sponsored for the million RMB and go back ASAP.

I wonder how many they earn and how much they need to pay for proetction fee...

Holy crap! 1 million RMB is a lot of money after only 2 years of work! that's what the keep in their pocket after all expenses?! that's quite a lot of money. Definitely more worth it to work in Singapore for them.



AsnDragon

The cost of a punt in Singapore is $150/hour for a PRC. A popular gal works 8-10 tricks a day 22 days a month. They get 70 to 80 dollars out of the 150.

They live extremely frugally because they've got no friends in Singapore, and they just don't go out to party for the 2 years except with frequent customers on their off-days (and usually are paid for their time )

With that 15,000SGD salary they can easily save 12,000 SGD a month, and for 2 years that's over SGD280,000.

The trade-off:
They work double the shifts as compared to a sauna. They can't return to Singapore for another 3 years. They come out extremely used. Loneliness.

Extremely used and lonely? Perhaps a good time to take some of out to relax a bit for punters who like to take WG out on dates.

8-10 punts a day? For twenty days at least a month? That's a lot!!!how do their bodies handle that type of traffic? Seems a bit too many per day don't you think?

You talking about the girls in geylang? Or hotel services going into orchard road type of hotel places?

Asndragon?

Isn't 8-10 typical for girls that work the racetrack in lisbo in macau or hotel girls in hk? I imagine that is typical for popular girls all over the world.