proposition 1: that the girls/women (the suppliers) are in the business for the money (to survive, to save, to send some money somewhere to Mum, Dad, the child (children), a younger brother or sister at school, donate to the Panda Conservation Trust, etc.).

proposition 2: that we (the brothers who provide the demand) respect these girls/women, their economic choice, and want to provide money for service, and good money for good service.

proposition 3: that we (the demand side) move towards arrangements which maximise our pleasure (consistent with proposition 2), and maximise the return (the percentage) for the gilrs/women (proposition 1).

Question 1: what are the various market rates, and how are they decided?  (Is the price quoted on this GalDB always the asking price, on each occasion?)

Question 2: in each of these various markets, what is the tipping expectation (demand side, supply side) and why?  What are the common tips, and why?

Question 3: in each of the markets (walk-up, hotel reservation, massage, street walkers, bars, etc.) what percentage is retained by the supplier?

Question 4: which situation (FL bar, hotel reservation, street walker, etc.) maximises the economic return for a Mainland Chinese girl/women in HK for 2 weeks?

Just my thoughts for today (motivated by a lot of thought about proposition 3).

P13.

Proposition 1 implies purity and morally acceptable motives. Some women just want to have sex and being paid for it is a bonus. Some are supporting their drug habit and some are there only to rip off the customers. I personally view it as a commodity and ignore the motives and sources of the commodity.

Proposition 2 also implies that men are somehow noble and want to provide. In my opinion we are horny, self centered men who realized that there is a source of pleasure to ease our desires. It is with the above that any transaction is done as if you were buying a meal to eat. Your desires at the present and what is being presented matters, nothing else.

Proposition 3 therefore will naturally follows the law of supply and demand. We want to pay the lowest price possible while getting what we perceive to be the best we can get. The women on the supply side are out to get the highest price possible for the least amount of work provided. I am not implying that some women does not want to please, simply that it is in their best interest to be finish as soon as possible. Their only other motive for performance is a repeat customer which would allow them to lower their supply. By lowering this supply they can in turn charge higher prices since the demand for their goods will still be at the same level.

In my opinion the most economically beneficial way for the women is to work for themselves while using the least resources at their disposal. This will be the street walker method as it exposes them to the most clients using the least amount of resources. This allows them to keep 100% of the proceeds as nothing is needed on their end except the commodity itself.

Economically tipping is not a good thing to be doing as it implies that the women were not worth what they were worth when the prices were originally negotiated. This degrades the good as it creates a false market price which would depress the price of the goods. The women than are less motivated since the prices are falsely deflated and the final take home is based on an undetermined and unpredictable tip. It would be better to buy more goods from the supplier in the future at the originally agreed price as it would allow the supplier a more guaranteed source of fixed future income.

In short: offer the lowest price you are willing to pay and instead of tipping simply visit them again in the future.

All my personal opinion.

in specific reference to Bar girls only...

The provider usually keeps 100% of the earn, however often (depending on the nationality of the WG) she may have a bill to pay back including interest. For example, she may have had her air ticket paid for, Visa problems sorted out etc and as a result she may owe someone money for that.

Girls from places like Russia, Thailand etc are often part of an organised "tour group", consolidating accommodation and also helping each other learn the "ropes".

If a WG has made several visits and can fund her own trip she can keep 100% of her income.

Price is set by supply and demand. There is a lot of info about this in the Bar guide in the CHAT section. Especially posts #4 & 5.

LINK HERE.

[ Last edited by  TonyToro at 17-2-2011 19:07 ]

+1 to fertude

I trade commodities for a living, and this exactly how market forces work.

Handouts/tipping/bailouts actually reduce the stability of an economic system.

Robustness in pricing/liquidity/movement is best when supply and demand meet at the X point.

No pun intended.

lol so funny how you analyze the WG business with economic principles!   optimization!

True, right?

To me, 141 is strictly business between buyer and seller.

The world economy sucks, people are having a hard time making money, especially young people in Asia.

Somebody has a service, and strong demand from people with $$$.

If you cannot provide good service, word-of-mouth referrals go down, revenues drop, and your business goes bad.  If a girl provides consistent professional service, her value goes up.  If she is not good, she might attract the crappy customers who treat her like crap, then she gets angry and the service gets worse.

I think this business can really weed out the ones who don't care pretty quick.

Maybe the over/under spread is 3+years?

I think you left out one big equation. There is always a demand and there is a supply involving sex. One thing missing is a gov't might say NO. When the communist took over, they stamped out prostitution. STD was almost non existence, gone. Prostitution was everywhere and out of control before the communist took over.  It didn't come back until they opened up their economy to capitalism.

Last year, the gov't tone down many places in China.  I get the feeling they just don't want it to get out of control. The gov't doesn't want China to look like another Thailand.

It also true with businesses. If a gov't wants to control some parts and not let it get out of hand, it can.  This is just my opinion

OP - You'd be interested in reading Steven Levitt's book Freakonomics where he discusses the economics of prostitution in the States. One thing that stood out in his book was that a big chunk of the WG's earnings was paid in drugs (most probably crack cocaine). Of course, such a "remuneration structure" will be peculiar to the States. The WG in HK or Macau probably get paid a decent percentage in terms of gifts such as LV bags or mobile phones