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Wives / girlfriends as 'porn police'

Should wives / girlfriends be 'porn police' to their men?
October 25, 2010 - 9:29PM

"Wives have the right to forbid their husbands to watch pornography!"
Or so says Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, an American-based relationship expert who is hailed as one of the world's best authorities on the topics of love, sex and marriage. According to his controversial advice, women shouldn't be shy to "police" their men when it comes to the sexually-charged issue of watching pornography. Really?
Yep, Boteach says porn portrays women "as the libidinous man's plaything, not an equal to be respected but a subordinate to be used" and that this causes all sorts of problems in relationships … and should be stopped pronto.
But is porn really causing marital strife? Are men really losing interest in their women thanks to their penchant for downloading airbrushed images off the internet while their wives or girlfriends wait patiently in the connubial bed? And surely if women attempt to "police" their men, they'd encourage them to want to act out even more so?
"Women must wake up to the fact that they do have a right to nip this behaviour in the bud," says Boteach. "Pornography is destructive not only because it is insulting to one's wife, but because it takes one's erotic focus away from one's spouse. In this respect, the principal harm it inflicts is not radically different from adultery."
Hmm. (So women can't watch porn on their own either? Probably not if Boteach had his way.)
When I ask a bunch of women how they feel about their boyfriends watching porn, the answers I hear are mightily mixed. Some tell me they know it's normal, that they accept their partner is into it and that they would never even bother doing anything about it.
"As long as it's not every day," one said, "then I don't see anything wrong with it."
Others admitted they were shocked to find their blokes' stash and admitted they thought differently about their guys afterwards.
Says Jackie: "As far as I'm concerned, an interest in porn is a deal-breaker. So is any guy who can't control his own impulses. Been there done that! Never again … "
The male Ask Sam readers have slightly differing views. Brett says there's a fine line between whether a man is using it as "rejuvenation and sexual voyeurism to inspire a desire in his wife, or whether he's using it to escape from her".
He says that if it's as an escape route, obviously there's a problem. 
Luke says that Boteach has it all wrong. "If women ban porn as part of their policing then they can't wonder why their husband goes out and has an affair."
But Donnie concurs with Boteach's sentiment. He surmises that there should indeed be a place for such "policing" because porn is a drug.
He writes: "Porn is addictive for some, recreational for others and comes with possible side effects. Satisfaction from porn depends on the user and their reasons for the use. Yes, 'policing' MAY be required for certain men and I would encourage women to do it."

Are women to blame for men increasingly watching porn?
Policing sounds like a rather incorrect word when you mention it in the same sentence as "porn". And how would you implement such policing anyway? Either way, Ask Sam reader Shaun reckons he has a solution.
"I would take a huge bet that 99 per cent of those guys would have rather preferred to be sexual with their partners. However, the girl was most likely not interested in being with them at that point in time. Hence their need for self satisfaction. Hence if a girl is open to the guy's sexual needs and doesn't push him away – he will most likely not even bother watching it."
My male friend Jed reckons that it's a big cop-out to blame a man's addiction to porn on the woman. "It's got nothing to do with a woman's lack of sexual activity," he tells me. "It's not a woman's fault. A guy is either into it or not. And the problem is that once he gets into hard-core porn, there's no going back."

Does every man watch it anyway?
There was a hilarious stat last year which came out after researchers from the University of Montreal were conducting a study comparing the views of men in their 20s who had never been exposed to pornography with that of regular users.
The problem with the study was that the researchers actually couldn't find any blokes who hadn't consumed porn. Instead they found that, of the men they polled, single ones watched an average of 40 minutes three times a week, while those in relationship watched an average of 20 minutes 1.7 times a week. But here's the catch: the scientists also found that pornography didn't have a negative effect on a man's sexuality.
"Not one subject had a pathological sexuality," said head researcher associate professor Simon Louis Lajeunesse. "In fact, all of their sexual practices were quite conventional … Pornography hasn't changed their perception of women or their relationship, which they all want to be as harmonious and fulfilling as possible."
As feminist writer Naomi Wolf wrote in New York magazine: "The whole world, post-internet, did become pornographised. Young men and women are indeed being taught what sex is, how it looks, what its etiquette and expectations are, by pornographic training - and this is having a huge effect on how they interact."

Do men really get that affected by porn?
I once held a debate with a bunch of men on what constitutes "sex appeal" when it comes to women. One half of the men – the ones who never got laid at university and felt women were too hard to understand and even harder to date – viewed porn stars and strippers as the ideal girlfriend - the perfect 10. The other half - who had beautiful women falling at their feet and constantly had girlfriends - viewed pornstars and strippers as a 3 or 4 at best. I'm not exactly sure what this finding has to do with the topic, but either way I still find it fascinating the way different men view different women and what causes their fetishes to grow.
But anyway, back to the issue at hand. Sure, sometimes porn can be educational and a major turn-on. In fact sometimes it can help couples grow closer and become more sexually experimental. But sometimes men can go too far and start to watch twisted, weird stuff. And then these men will start to want the twisted, weird stuff in their relationships ... all the time. And when it gets to the point of no return, perhaps "policing" really is the only solution ... 
Link here:
http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/ ... 20101025-16zvm.html
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Regarding the last section i don't find that dumb blonde with fake tits appealing to be honest, i'd much rather a WG from the 141DB.

I do think that porn changes mens attitudes towards women though. I think men become a bit more shallow and superficial. Me it just makes me want to root hot chicks and that is why i monger.
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Definitely had girlfriends who didn't like the fact that I watch porn, they felt that it's a form of emotional cheating...
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Reply #3 dp4p's post

... contrasted by the large number of girls (and women) who also enjoy porn, and use it to get in the mood for a little canoodling!!  An aspect of relationships and sexuality that's not covered by the surveys at all.  

Smart confident and emotionally secure girls know the buttons they need to push on their man ... it's only the paranoid control-freaks that want to set limits.




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I think porn is part of life. Humans are made to have sex and if you are a man you will get horny. Otherwise you not really a man. My wife has no probs with me watching porn. She even helps me download it. She understands men are men.
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well, put it this way, most of the gfs i have or i know do not mind me or their bfs to watch porn already in HK. I think their logic is it is better for their men to watch porn than let them looking for WGs.

some of them are even watch with me together.
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Reply #5 pornaddy's post

Lucky you! My GF gets extremely jealous when I look at porn
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Reply #7 jan0308's post

sorry to say, its because she is insecure esp if she is jealous.  key is to slowly intro her that the naked body is natural & sex is natural.
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I've never understood why a woman thinks policing porn is going to do her or her relationship any good? It only posses off an otherwise decent guy and forces him to channel that need to other places.  It's the difference between drinking a beer and shooting heroin, IMO.
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by grantorino2 at 27-10-2010 02:53
I've never understood why ...

I've never understood why a woman thinks policing ANYTHING is going to do her or her relationship any good!!!  

Then again a lot of what a woman says is dissipated when she says it ... much of the time it seems to be more of a matter of emotional venting rather than one of literal communication.  

Always remember: if you feel the need to set limits and draw a new line in the sand, check the calendar first.  There are some days you just can't win

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Reply #10 DArtagnan's post

Ha Ha, I know I know.  It's never that easy though when she is snorting, seeing red, and charging at you.  I wish I could be cooler when I'm under fire.
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by grantorino2 at 27-10-2010 05:17
I wish I could be cooler when I'm under fire.

best thing is to schedule 3 days' business travel - with your girlfriend ...

absence makes the heart grow fonder!




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One thing though, personally I do think porn does change ones attitude/opinion of what a women is.  I use to work for Suze Randall and we produced alot of xxx films and photo shoots for her brand and others such as penthouse, hustler.. etc.  The main reason for me eventually quitting the job despite the great pay was how much it affected my social life.  I was quite young back then, but most of my friends hated me or became envious of me, my female friends couldn't stand to be around me due to my newly formed opinions, and at the end, I hated me because of my unrealistic idea of what most women should be and how desensitized I became to sex.  Anyways, porn is actually enjoyable for me now, I can't hate on it, but my gf can lol.
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I say, I actually like it when I get home from work after a long day and my wife goes, "Hey honey, how about let's watch Japanese Anime porn tonight?" Gets me right in the mood.

If porn is that important to you, choose your wife/girlfriend wisely and to do that you have to be open about it.

I think it's the way men treat porn - hide it, feel embarrassed about watching it, try not to get caught, etc. that often gives women the feeling like you are cheating on them.

if you get them involved, find something that they like and enjoy watching it with them, they then will be open to letting you have your own porn time openly.

Of course some women are just totally closed off to the idea! Avoid like the plague.. porn will be the least of your problems.
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by scootermonger at 29-10-2010 16:08
One thing though, personally I do think porn does change ones attitude/opinion of what a women is.  I use to work for Suze Randall and we produced alot of xxx films and photo shoots for her brand and  ...

oh wow, it is an interesting experience to work for Suze Randall. do you have any interesting experience with those models too?

but i can understand your point and the pressure you faced from your friends though.

i do think if men can invite their gf/wife to watch it together, than their mind would not reject it but for sure i think the quality of the porn should be more like a high class with story line and more romantic type rather than violent and low quality type, than they will definitely reject it.
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Porn is innocent imo. Its just lust.

Lust not the same as love.

I think everyman should help themselves to porn
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by haroldla at 30-10-2010 03:16


oh wow, it is an interesting experience to work for Suze Randall. do you have any interesting experience with those models too?

but i can understand your point and the pressure y ...

haha yeah, i had fun with 2 of the models but i'd rather not say which, they are pretty well known, 1 only does lesbian scenes in her professional life.   Most of the chiks are pretty cool, most are not as wild as most people think, they turn it on for the camera, for the most part, often they just stay home,  smoke alot of weed, and show up for work and public appearances.  Of course there are alot of chiks who were just mad whores in their personal life as well.
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