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Post at 29-4-2010 06:01  Profile P.M. 
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What's With All the Love?

I'm just constantly amazed at all the 'love' going around the ranks of working girls and non-working girls in Asia.     Much more than in the U.S.  Sometimes I just marvel at the source of it, why it's there at all, and what is it about the culture that makes it happen.

Certainly there are girls that are just putting on a good show for your $$, but they seem to be far outweighed by the girls, from low mileage non-pros right up to experienced MILF walkups, that genuinely have a good time and want to cuddle up and be your GF.  Even girls you don't hook up with are not shy about giving you a big, beaming smile from across the cafe (you'd rarely get this in the U.S., everyone keeps their distance).  It's like all the girls in Asian come pre-programmed with a big, "Hello Kitty" attitude.  

Can somebody explain this to me?  The open hearted attitude is just mind boggling!  




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I've been in love with a WG and have had a few WGs in love with me.  It's just part of the business.
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Reply #1 TheButler's post

Maybe some of them are husband hunting? In that even established ones like Yuki of TST are looking for husbands to take them away from it all. HELL Richard Mason when he went whore mongering in 1951 found this to be the case too (Richard Mason based the book the world of Suzie wong on his experiences of hooking in Hong Kong in 1951).

In that acting cold and business like ain't going to win you many husbands is it?




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Reply #3 Kennichi's post

Very true. Many WGs are looking for a husband. Fact is, would bros here ever seriously considering marrying a former WG?
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Originally posted by geoduck at 29-4-2010 08:21
Very true. Many WGs are looking for a husband. Fact is, would bros here ever seriously considering marrying a former WG?

If I am really compatible with her then I can think about it. But in general the chance is low because we are living in different worlds.
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If it's about the amount of guys she's been with, then a WG is no different then say your average college girl in the states.  Hell, the WG might actually be cleaner in a sense.  If it's about the money aspect, then I can't comment on that because I don't know their full background and situation.

In the end, isn't the most important thing to be that You are the last guy she will be with?
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Originally posted by TheButler at 29-4-2010 06:01
I'm just constantly amazed at all the 'love' going around  ...

you're gonna have to face the truth bro: it's your oustanding level of personal magnetism in play ... not everyone gets your "all-star" treatment ...

You were just born to be an Asian-chick-magnet.  
Don't ask why   just go out there and play

They are begging you for all the attention you can give them, to give them face, self-esteem, status with their peers, and as much enthusiastic shagging as you can muster.  

On a more geeky note, there is actually some scientific underpinning for your observation [propellor-hat on].  

Anthropologists studied the tribal behaviour of monkeys ... they observed a typical hierarchical structure, with alphas (males and females) taking the best food, best nesting spots, and of course the most desirable mates.  They also observed (no surprise) that middle- and lower-ranked males who were perfectly healthy and good looking but were not part of the alpha structure of their tribe, weren't "getting it" because the females were all trying to get themselves screwed by the alpha males.  So, many of them would abandon the tribe they were born in and instead live on the outskirts of a neighbouring tribe.  Why?  Actually their life there is a lot harder ... they are even more ostracised by the elite than they were in their birth tribe ... getting food is harder, and they have even less political clout than they did "back home" ... but ... they were getting laid ALL the time ...

Basically the females, who were trying to get laid by the alphas, needed somewhere to vent their frustration when the alphas were off screwing another female ... so rather than pick a familiar but lower-ranking "home" male, they'd go off into the bushes and pick up a complete stranger.  As a result the males who lived outside the social structure of the tribe got a LOT more sex than anyone except the most powerful political elite.  Simply speaking, they were much more attractive to the ladies than the locals.  

For those who were self-reliant, the upside of being an outsider far outweighed the downside of being on their own and having to fend for themselves.  
If you look at it, the behaviour serves a valuable purpose in providing genetic diversity and mitigating the risk of in-breeding.  

Now, we're not monkeys (are we? ) ... but does any of that sound familiar to you ..?  Ever hear the phrase "Noone can be a prophet in their own home"?  Right ...

certainly resonates with yours truly

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Originally posted by DArtagnan at 29-4-2010 10:02


Basically the females, who were trying to get laid by the alphas, needed somewhere to vent their frustration when the alphas were off screwing another female ... so rather than pick a familiar but lower-ranking "home" male, they'd go off into the bushes and pick up a complete stranger.  As a result the males who lived outside the social structure of the tribe got a LOT more sex than anyone except the most powerful political elite.  Simply speaking, they were much more attractive to the ladies than the locals.   ...


Holy crap! that's amazing!

So either:

1) all these 20-something hotties think us hobbyists are the alpha males, or more likely,
2) they just got ditched by the son of the Peoples Party Chairman and we're all just revenge fucks.

Hell, I'll take what I can get . . .




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Reply #8 TheButler's post

You got it bro!  

... so tell me I'm not on the money ..?

foreigners bring a lot of mystique, novelty, and confer much more status (rarity value) than the queue of school-friend also-rans they're trying to avoid having to settle down with.

that plus they know we don't know anyone who knows them, so we won't tell tales or show up in an embarrassing time and place




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Reply #9 DArtagnan's post

That all rings true.

The other odd part of this experience is the girl who professes sexual inexperience ("only had 1/2/3 boyfriend(s)") but then she jumps in the sack with me after the briefest encounter.  Now, plenty of these girls were just putting a bit of a 'good girl' shine on their reputations, but then there were also at least an equal number who I thought were being honest.  And I'm only talking about the 'no-cash-for-sex' girls.  

I thought that if they were easy for ME to get then they must also be shagging every local dude walking by as well.  It seems incongruous for a high sex drive and loving manner to be paired with monogamy/self imposed celibacy the rest of the time.  But this kind of fits with the 'monkey model' as well.

Interesting, very interesting.




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QUOTE:
Originally posted by Batzmaru007 at 29-4-2010 09:55
If it's about the amount of guys she's been with, then a WG is no different then say your average college girl in the states.  Hell, the WG might actually be cleaner in a sense.  If it's about the mon ...

that's a bit of a stretch imo...i seriously don't think the average college girl in the states has had dozens if not hundreds of sexual partners.




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... who professes sexual inexperience ... but then she jumps in the sack with me after the briefest encounter ...

I can set your mind at peace there.  

There's a principle in human behavior, which is that it is always in balance.  There is an underlying set of needs and tendencies, which is what it is.  And then there is the "image", that is superimposed on the actual needs to conform to external pressures and expectations, exaggerating some and suppressing others.  This creates an interesting result which is ...

... the more someone denies a quality or a need, the more strongly it jumps out when (inevitably) it does jump out.  Archetypes abound: the wimp who shows uncharacteristic courage when cornered, or the tough guy who breaks down and cries when he's confronted with overwhelming odds.  Happens all over.  The "good girl" who is a complete self-debasing slut when the door is closed is just soooo common ...

You're basically acting as a lightning-rod, discharging all that pent-up instinctive behavior that's been covered up with a superficial veneer of social conformance.  She can't risk seeking satisfaction from people she's currently turning to for respectability and approval ... ergo she has to turn to someone who's outside her 'box' to get what she needs but isn't getting.  That's the underlying dynamic.  

Of course, the STORY she will tell you about why, and why it's OK, and how she rationalizes her actions to make them fit in with her self-image of a good girl, is altogether a different matter - totally unique, idiosyncratic, and largely irrelevant.  What matters is that when you show up as in interesting (and interested) nonthreatening male, she invites you into the castle walls for a party.  And if you play along making her feel comfortable, it can get very steamy very quickly!  

Go fuck them, they really do need you to do it so they can face the social pressures they're under, and don't worry about her history.  
Take all the precautions you would take with any girl, and enjoy the experience!

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Brillian analogy

Humans have adopted this behavior. Witness many HK women who are divorced, their only chance of a second marriage or even having a boyfriend is with a foreigner, someone who lives on the fringes of their own society.



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Reply #13 gwailoplayer's post

Yup, there are lots of openings, for milf lovers and syt lovers and pretty much any other preference or kink lovers.

You just have to notice them and walk right on in ... if a girl is showing you she wants a fuck, why would you be surprised or suspicious?If she's showing you, it's because she wants you, and she's probably already getting confused why you aren't noticing her yet.  

Take precautions, that goes without saying and is always true, but don't look a gift-horse in the mouth




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Take precautions, that goes without saying and is always true, but don't look a gift-horse in the mouth ...

So true.  More than once I've blown a golden opportunity by trying to be the stereotypical "gentleman."

Thanks for the explanation D'Artagnan!  That was very well said.




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QUOTE:
Originally posted by TheButler at 2-5-2010 01:24
... More than once I've blown a golden opportunity by trying to be the stereotypical "gentleman." ...  

{sigh} ... me too bro, me too ...




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Reply #16 DArtagnan's post

Not I, if I am not interested it is because I am too close to home and I don't want to bump into her again whilst taking a walk with my family.  But when I am in HK or China, all I do is flirt and try to get into every skirt I can.  An asshole is always going to be an asshole, and yes sir, I'm an asshole.

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An interesting question then is who do you count as outsiders? The local punters or only foreigners? It would seem every punter since the girls come from mainland china not HK.
Sounds almost as if the WGs come here for the sexual frustration not the money!
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Reply #18 gangster's post

an outsider in this context is someone who is visibly not part of the "in" crowd - whatever that is.  

It works just as effectively with uptown girl + downtown guy as it does with east meets west.  

and yes, in the case of the PRC gals, I guess when they're servicing the local boys they're playing to the same dynamic ... they are MUCH more popular here than back home!




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i'm a simple guy, if it comes it comes. i don't like to try because i don't like to put a lot of effort into things. life is just more simple that way. all these mind games and over analyzing of everything can drive a guy crazy
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