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Post at 16-4-2010 23:36  Profile P.M. 
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141 legal aspect

http://www.sex141.com/en/viewid.php?uid=5069

Visited this Jo Jo as phone appointment gal in SaiWanHo.
She was in the same building as Ar Gill recently, but whereas Ar Gill has one small but separate "room" all by herself, Jo Jo was in a residence flat that has 2 bedrooms and the day that i was there there were 3 girls altogether(+ Sexy and Hor Hor)...the other 2 girls stayed inside the other BR whilst Jo Jo and I were at it....

how does it go with the 141 laws of HK where the action takes place in a flat with two bed-rooms?

[ Last edited by  yvieamy at 16-4-2010 23:38 ]
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My understanding is that they are illegal if they are in the same flat. The person who took your phone call is also guilty for pimping.

But as punters, we are not breaking any laws even if we visit them. But we might need to assist police investigation if caught.
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Based on my understanding, you will be caught also by the authority together with the girls and the mamasan/papasan because multi-girl operations are the illegal ones. It shows that it is already an illegal trafficking of women for the purpose of sex. IMO they will only negate it if it’s only a 1on1 act, meaning it’s a one girl one guy situation.

Anyway, it still depends on us bros if we will take that risk. Wish that when you visit the place the police are not scouring the premises of the bldg. for inspection. .

This might also help you answer your questions.
Police checks - Rights and No Rights
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by ymc at 17-4-2010 02:48
My understanding is that they are illegal if they are in the same flat. The person who took your phone call is also guilty for pimping.

But as punters, we are not breaking any laws even if we visit  ...

that's what i thought would be the case too...
perhaps an element of risk there.
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Apart from the legal aspects of the 1-4-1 prostitution laws, all the Mainland WGs, whether in walkups or hotels, are working illegaly if they're here on visitor's permits.
To work legally here any gal has to have an ID card.
The absolute safest is to visit a local WG in a single room or flat who you call direct and who has an ID. That was told to me by a cop.
I was in a single-room brothel with a Mainland gal once when the police knocked on the door and arrested her for working illegally. I was let go after filling out a form in which I agreed to appear as a witness if there was a court case. I never heard from the police and I was told that in most cases they're fined and deported.
I have heard that the punishment they get back across the border if caught out is a lot worse.

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Originally posted by yvieamy at 17-4-2010 17:22

that's what i thought would be the case too...
perhaps an element of risk there.

[ Last edited by  Siklong69 at 17-4-2010 18:38 ]
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the police are not too serious in this prostitution case. some of this 141 members must be policemen. they should catch these mainland girls one by one if they want to...
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Reply #6 bigmek's post

Hey, let's not tempt fate! We all need those lovely gals!
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Would there be the same implications if say the PS/MS sent you into a hotel room with 3 or more girls for you to choose and the police just happen to knock?  My friend who was punting with me was really happy when he was sent into a room with 4 girls for his picking.
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Reply #1 yvieamy's post

Similar thing today with my punt with Fanny (can search for my report)

Basically, it was 1-bed flat with a 2nd room built - but the walls didn't go all the way to the ceiling...so all
the noise can be heard from the other parts of flat even with the door closed. There was another WG in the
other 'proper' room

Illegal any way you look at it tho, under current statute
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BTW, when you visit hotel girls, sometimes some girls are hiding in the closet during the session. Technically speaking, even if they have HK ID cards, that will still make them illegal.
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by Siklong69 at 17-4-2010 18:16
Apart from the legal aspects of the 1-4-1 prostitution laws, all the Mainland WGs, whether in walkups or hotels, are working illegaly if they're here on visitor's permits.
To work legally here any gal has to have an ID card.

there was one HG that got busted this time last year and since she did not have a visa, she ended up in Stanley for a good 6 months
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by YouthAgainst at 19-4-2010 00:18
Similar thing today with my punt with Fanny (can search for my report)

Basically, it was 1-bed flat with a 2nd room built - but the walls didn't go all the way to the ceiling...so all
the noise can b ...

yep basically there is a risk element there any way you look at it....
sometime it's too late to find out until you are physically there and junior was raring to go.
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by ymc at 19-4-2010 02:18
BTW, when you visit hotel girls, sometimes some girls are hiding in the closet during the session. Technically speaking, even if they have HK ID cards, that will still make them illegal.

words of wisdom is to check out all the fixtures in the room first and have any third parties politely leaving.....
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the one flat one girl law has nothing to do with hotel girls ! It was written way before HGs ever became a reality !
HGs are illegal no matter how many people are in the same room ... as long as money changed hands ! But in order
to be caught there must be proof that money was involved !!!
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by twiceAweek at 20-4-2010 20:51

But in order
to be caught there must be proof that money was involved !!!

and to prove this did take place would be extremely difficult wouldn't you say?
(and that's the reason undercover cops use marked notes...)
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by yvieamy at 20-4-2010 20:30


there was one HG that got busted this time last year and since she did not have a visa, she ended up in Stanley for a good 6 months

Are you sure it was six months??? That's too harsh.

I heard that it was usually a fine and brief detention. Then she got deported and banned from entry for several years.
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Originally posted by ymc at 25-4-2010 19:06


Are you sure it was six months??? That's too harsh.

I heard that it was usually a fine and brief detention. Then she got deported and banned from entry for several years.

I got my maths wrong...it was actually more like 9 months! harsh one.
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Reply #17 yvieamy's post

Yes but i think it's necessary & they should have understand the risc

Anyway, why is 1-4-1 become very important aspect on this so called industry? This rule is new for me, no such rules on my home country
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what is the main reason why a multi girl flat would cause issues as opposed to a single girl flat?  like why is there a problem with one and not the other?
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by yvieamy at 26-4-2010 22:04


I got my maths wrong...it was actually more like 9 months! harsh one.

9 months was harsh! I think I remember I was in the magistracy court once, and all these WGs were being sentenced....and all the WGs had their own reasons like... I am poor, my dad was sick, my daughter needs money for education etc. etc. and they all get sentenced to 1 month imprisonment...so 9 months she probably got convicted of something else or perhaps a repeat offender.
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