So I've managed to establish a regular WG who I've been paying 1200 RMB ($175 USD; 1364 HKD) each time we get together. She provides unlimited ML sessions in a rather open-ended time frame (our last time together before my trip to Thailand was about 18 hours with 3 ML sessions. I'm sure she would even go longer if her schedule permits). Her ML service is fantastic- very attentive and open to pretty much anything so far. She's also cool to just hangout with and hasn't become clingy (yet). Her English is very good and she is good looking (8/10). I think she is fine with this arrangement we have. We've gotten together 3 times so far and we are getting together this weekend again. The second and third time we got together we went out to dinner before coming back to my apartment, and we'll probably do something similar this weekend (so there are added incidental costs there). In considering all of that, it seems that price is pretty good (if you work out the 18 hour session by the hour it ends up being 67 RMB ($9.80 USD; 76 HKD) per hour.

I'm thinking, however, about asking her if she would accept maybe 800 - 1000 RMB just so I can sustain the situation longer financially. But, I'm not sure if asking would be a slap in the face to her, causing her to become angry and maybe not continuing the situation? Or, would the bargaining process would be ok, with her getting a guaranteed good time, trustworthy company, and a good dinner for herself in the process along with still getting a good pay day? I don't want to come across as a cheap ass here (I don't think I am. Money is just money and I won't be able to spend it when I'm dead!).

Oh yeah, I should add that she is Mongolian, a 24 year old student attending university in mainland PRC.

Part of me is not a gambler and doesn't want to possibly ruin this really good situation, but another side is practical and wants to save some money for my travel-based mongering! I'm looking to the other professionals on this site to see what you think and would do in this situation.

Cheers, bros!

(PS, I'm trying not to get attached to her! I want to keep a payment plan so I can let her go when/if I start feeling bored)

[ Last edited by  tbyrd_21 at 22-2-2010 22:30 ]

Every $200 HK saves you about $25 USD. I can see how this might add up if you were seeing her every other night or so, but if you are talking about once a week or there abouts, I personally wouldn't risk upsetting the apple cart to save that amount of money. I would continue with the present arrangements for a while before I tried to renegotiate the price. See how your relationship goes for a few months before you risk insulting her and ending the time you enjoy together. Just my opinion.

I hear you bro tbryd - was in a similar situation a few years ago. Clicked with a WG who I saw several times - started of at $240 and after about a dozen times I talked to her and explained I would like to keep at it for a long time and we agreed on $200 (US prices are crazy high ).
Maybe if you went to RMB 1000 - that's a nice even number and if you put it in the context of a potential long term deal she'll go for it.
How many times a month do you see her?

You're getting a fantastic deal as it is big guy.

actually whatever your financial predicament, what is 200 RMB to you ?
if the arrangement is for 3 or 4 times a month its 600 - 800 RMB ... is it worth negotiating about ?

easy, just pay her more!
when u start to feel the pinch, u definitely wouldn't grow attached to her.


anyway, 1200 is already a steal..
unlimited pops in unlimited time frame!
be a saint and help support her university fees!
that's the least u can do!!!

If I were you, continue to pay what she is getting $1200RMB. If you are tipping, don't tip her or tip her less. Forget about going out to dinner and any extras like gifts.

At the same time try to find someone else cheaper IF you can. When you do find another girl, you can dump the 24 year old student.

But from what I am reading and hearing, she sounds like a terrific and wonderful girl. She is worth the extra 200RMB you want to save.  It sounds like you have a great trusting relationship with her. I think you are getting a good deal with the 1200RMB. At this point, I think you have more of a friendship and less of a paid ( business ) relationship. You said she could hang around longer but she doesn't have the time.

[ Last edited by  Weelock at 23-2-2010 06:24 ]

Man I wouldn't mess with that set up.  If I could have some hot looking college babe overnight at my hotel room for unlimited sex every time I flew into HK, and only pay 1,200RMB I'd be in heaven.

Get a second job before you mess that up.

I can sympathise with wanting to get the price down from the point of view that the lower you go the closer you get to FREE and at that point... you can easily "believe" she's having sex because she just loves having sex with YOU.

However we must all remember, and at one point I am sure we have all been a little guilty of believing we have something "special" here. but fact is... it's business... UNLESS you are prepared to make the type of commitment you are probably NOT prepared to make.

It sounds like you have a great thing going as is Bro. I think the advice above from other bros is the way to go, no need to upset any apple carts. Enjoy while you can before some other dude offers her 1500.

My hunch is you're right not to haggle overtly - sounds like a more friends-with-benefits arrangement than a pay-per-pop deal.  Whether you look at it per hour or per pop you're doing damn well (especially compared to marriage )

It sounds to me like your underlying intention is to pay her more - not less.  Presented in that light it should be an easy sell.  More time together, more stability, and more money.  I don't know any girl that would say 'no' to that particular pitch ... "I want you to be my girl, and I want to look after you" ...

If that's your intention you could maybe offer her a monthly deal that's between what you've been giving her to date but less than you would if you simply multiplied up the visits to an ongoing basis.  Or - if you're only going to be in her area on an occasional basis - you can try to present the total you plan to give her over a longer period ... either way the individual amounts you give her should be larger even if you give them less frequently.  If she's naturally attentive to you, she'll appreciate you being attentive to her.  And a commitment to $2400 sounds like a lot more than three lots of $800 does.

As our friend thebutler says, don't mess with it unless you've already got a backup plan lined up

I am curious on how and where you met her.  Plus how did you come about the arrangement to pay her just rmb1200 for an open-time session with unlimited pops?

I met her at the bar most frequented by mongerers here in the capital (Maggies). The 1200 was just the rate we agreed on for that first time (overnight), and that's what I've continued to pay her in the subsequent sessions. She hasn't asked for more nor have I have brought up the money issue. I just have the money pre-counted and bundled and hand it to her right before she is leaving. All the benefits (open-time session, unlimited pops) just came along with the her. They were never negotiated.

Thanks for all the thoughtful replies, bros! That's why I love this forum.

I think the consensus is that I'm getting a pretty good deal as it is, and with the service she is providing, it's worth the money I'm already paying. It has only been at a rate of once week so far that we are getting together, so it's not really breaking the bank yet. I guess I was just thinking long-term. . .

I guess I also have to remember that traditional dating often comes out to be more expensive in the end and you're not even guaranteed sex until the girl says so (which can be weeks or months after the first date), and even then, the sex might not even be good!

Re: bro Kaka, yes, I am one for supporting higher education, so if I am helping her finish university, then excellent! It has been nice to be with a WG with whom I can have a higher level conversation (I don't speak Mandarin well, so it's more my problem when I'm with PRC girls).

... so if you saw her (say) 2 nights a week you'd be passing $10k per month on the original deal ...

... so given her generous time management, you could offer anything over $5k for her weekends and still come out ahead.

Brother enjoy what you have. Best suggestion so far I've read is if you've tipped is reduce the tipping.
Maybe pay her $1000 next time and instead get her a cheap gift.
Keep it at $1000 afterward nice easy round number.
Cheap gift as in something below $200.

But for unlimited pops and time, $1200 is a great deal.
And sounds like you are having great sex which is all that matters!

as they say, you gotta pay to play.  Sounds like great time you are having there

You met her in Beijing!  Considering BJ is expensive for all mongering activities, you have an awesome deal going.  You should not give her less money as she see it as a slight.  If you can, try to find some other ways to show your appreciation (in lieu of actual cold cash) for her like maybe taking her on a weekend trip to another area in China.

I only tipped her the first time we got together. The other times there were other incidentals (dinner, drinks), so I didn't tip. If she stays in the arrangement for a while, then I will definitely show my appreciation in other ways. It will be interesting to see what her schedule becomes like when her school starts back up. She's been on holiday since I met her. She starts back next week I think. I'll be a little busy, as well, going to Berlin for 4 days in a week then Singapore for a week two weeks after that.

Ah... now it's starting to make sense. This little bit of info wasn't in your original post right? You met her at Maggies or similar in Beijing? I bet she speaks good English as well, probably Russian and Korean too! She laughs at your jokes and genuinely enjoys the sex as much as you do right? She's fun to talk to? and she likes to drink yes? Bro, if you have found a Mongolian Gal who you really like and she really likes you, and she probably does really like you... dont mess with it! Just enjoy the great thing you have going... but don't fall in love.

Can I guess her name?

Zulaa, Zola, Zolo... something like that?

Yes, I added it some minutes later, so it's possible you saw the post with out that info.


Yes. I mention that in one of my replies above.


Some Russian; no Korean, but she's studying Chinese!


Yes, yes, yes, and yes.


No, and I'm not revealing that!   


Yes. This is why I need to keep a payment plan in place!

Wow, you must have had some experience with this! Or, you can just read both in and between the lines very well!