There are so many interesting aspects to this subject, and especially this particular story, that I just wanted to share with you young studs here because of all the good advice I've been given.  Even at the risk of the 3rd party (the sponsor or privatizer) being a reader, I think the story should be told and enjoyed.

In an earlier thread entitled "Dilemma - dating a WG", I first told the story of visiting a WG, getting to know her, going out for meals, small gifts, etc.  Then feeling sad upon learning that she will leave her room after another frequent guest (sook hak) offered to privatize her, gave her a lump sum, a monthly stipend, and have her move in with him.  After posting here my sadness, your advices helped me out of my sadness and depression, and helped me look at these situations in a much more positive way.

Since then I've met this ex-WG twice; first time, just had a meal and good discussion with her.  This second time, I met her, brought back from Thailand some very nice kiddies' watches for her to give to her nieces and nephews, a Donna Karan perfume set that I got on special promotion at Sydney Airport.  We met yesterday afternoon, and without even having a tea or coffee, she led me straight to a nice short-time villa on Tak Shing street in Jorday.  Nice room, nicely air-con, $170 for 2 hours.  

Had a long discussion about many different things -- her situation, money, relationship with her sponsor, how her life was going, my brother's illness from cancer in Sydney, what she should spend her free time doing, etc.  The details are highly interesting, but I don't just feel right for me to tell everything here because some things should stay private.

Anyway, we then showered, and made like it was our wedding night even though I am 67 yo and she about 30.  Great GFE, true feelings, cuddling.  She brought me back to my youth days when I was courting and finally marrying my now ex-wife.  The WG had of course brought the condom, even though the villa does provide one, and secretly in my bag, I had Durex.  Real or fake moaing, probably fake for her, real for me.

After our 1.5 hours session in the room was up, we went for afternoon tea at a nearby cafe for pizza, salad, and great HK style milk tea.  Even then, I noodled in my mind, should I offer her some money or not?  But then I thought, well, I (at her initial request) got the kiddie's watches for her from Bangkok (HK$200 total), DK perfumes as gift ($170), room ($170), and afternoon tea ($70).  Would she be insulted if I offered?  So I decided to pass on offering to pay.  We then said goodbye and I went into Jordan MTR station and she left.

About to board train, I get a call from her, and she says (in cantonese), "You didn't pay me some small money.  You know I need money for my family in China.  If you wish, you can pay me next time."  Upon hearing that, I said, "Wait.  I'm coming right back up, and wait for me at Jordan MTR station exit."  So I went back up, paid her $500, and said goodbye again.

So, what's the moral of this story.  I guess it's, "once a WG, difficult to drop the 'W' from the girl, and always a WG when $ comes first..."

There is a risk that her sponsor/privatizer will read this, since I suppose that's how he first got her info from this site, and went up to her room.  For sure, his English is good.  But the minute she called me back and asked for payment, I guess the transaction became commercial and the risk of her being exposed is no greater than any WG offering their services and photos on this site, even if the face is pixelated.

Peace to all and hope you enjoyed this tale.  And for the few who exposed their feelings on this board about falling for a WG, I think there is not much chance that you can ever prevent them from doing what they know best to earn some money whenever they feel a need.

[ Last edited by  tangoll at 11-6-2009 09:44 ]

My experience with 'retired' WGs is they ALL do things on the side ... especially with their past clients
that they get along with !
Keep everything money related and you wouldn't have any guilty feelings these girls sometimes impose on you !

I don't see how your story proves anything. You call the guy who "privatized" her, her "sponsor". So clearly she's still a hooker even in her new situation - i.e., she's screwing the new guy for money. That she should take money from you on the side shouldn't surprise anyone. The previous threads talk about having an emotional relationship with a girl who's given up the trade for love. That is clearly not the case here. Even the title of your post is misleading in that she's not an ex-WG.

It's not clear at all whether she's just cheating on her boyfriend and making a few buck on the side, or that she's bought and paid for by the boyfriend and is expanding her business.

Regardless, I think its uncharitable to say that WGs can't retire. That attitude just keeps them trapped in the sex trade.

-G

tangoll's says the guy was a,

"frequent guest (sook hak) offered to privatize her, gave her a lump sum, a monthly stipend, and have her move in with him."

Does that sound like an affair of the heart to you? It was a business deal. The guy said he'd pay her to fuck him and him only. So she broke the contract - betrayed love had nothing to do with it.

Once a WG, always a WG.

I do not have vast experience like some of you guys out there when it comes to no. of mongering years.

But I have yet to prove this statement wrong.

[ Last edited by  hunter at 12-6-2009 09:18 ]

It's hard to tell, you're quoting a second hand account, using a story that was told to someone she's been cheating on her boyfriend with. Also the source has the majority of his posts in threads he's posted about getting involved romantically with WGs, so I just don't think the story we have is from an objective observer.

I know it sounds horrible to say this, but my experience is that most Chinese women value financial security over love, and that non-WG girlfriends are often just as fixated on money.

I guess what it comes down to is that I'm in a "glass is half full" mood today, and I'm willing to give this woman the benefit of the doubt. It would be nice to think that ALL WGs weren't doomed to a loveless life.

In fact, I think that most of us wouldn't want to feel responsible denying any WG a future just by giving them some cash in exchange for some casual sex.

-G

thanks for the insightful post. for any one of us who ever fathom the thought of seriously dating an ex WG, this is a reminder for us to think it over twice.

if i were you, i would be damn glad she asked for the money...
no guilt, no chance of Titanic...

Tangoll,

Thank you for post that.  I think it shows that not only is she still a whore, but you are delusional.  I don't use delusional in a harsh way however, just in a kind way.  Honestly, how often do you see 67 year olds that are dating 30 year olds, outside of third world countries where people are trying to escape abject poverty.  If I saw that between two people here in California I would point out what an odd looking couple they were.  And here you are doing this with a whore!  What are you thinking?  I think people that engage in the activities that we do, need to get a grip, and understand that this is a business, and nothing more, and separate that from real life.  

Take care

Ned.

A good reminder to all punters, newbie or an experienced punter like yourself .

Well, guess it worked out for all. She gets what she wants and you get what you want. Nothing more, nothing less. Just a simple transaction.

Don't get all down on yourself. And you should know the cure to keeping the blues away

Don't you mean all women instead? Well, I wouldn't say its a fixation on money. Its just how society rolls nowadays.

Looking at the WGs point of view, just as much as us punters want GFE experience, the WGs don't mind some BFE experience too. Its justthat they get paid for it while we punters actually have to pay for getting GFE experience and letting the WGs have some BFE experience as well .

It sure ain't an easy profession, and if the WGs don't have too much of a personal life outside of the punting world, the job sort of becomes their life.  They distrust all men cos they know what men get up to in their spare time .   They just lay there, spread their legs and get the cash.

sad to say, that's the mentality of some non WGs nowadays too

yeah Ned I agree. Only ones I see in the west are when the 67 year old guy is a Billionaire and marries a model, etc. I guess the "model" is escaping the poverty of only earning US$150k pa.

I was talking to a WG on a similar topic the other day.  She told me that a regular client was offering her 5000 bucks a month to get out of the room and stay in SZ where he'll visit her 3 times a week.  She seemed to be weighing this deal in her head.  She said it was a low amount as she could make more 10-20K or more per month.  However she also felt it could be an option (as short lived as it can be) to be not working and tired all the time.  She paid a lot of money for a some sort of "visa" to stay in HK for 3 months and so would not forfeit that right now for 5k a month.  But she would consider that after her stint here.

True, but I think culturally, women are more concerned here in Asia about the size of a man's bank account than his other features.


I feel like I end up paying for the GFE with my actual girlfriend! Between the meals, clothes, entertainment, etc. I end up spending quite a bit!

-G

You know, for me, one of the beautiful things about NOT speaking Mandarin is that I almost never have to talk to the WGs.

The more I think about this topic, the more I remember why I visit WGs instead of picking up "real" women. Who wants to deal with this drama, I thought we were paying so we didn't need to!

-G

For some like me, I actually find conversation with them interesting.  It could be real and it could be bullshit, but it's conversations on topics you'll never engage in with other people.  It's different from the yapping and whining and shit you get from a gf or wife at least.  I ask questions like, have the boss ever banged "you"

I know, I do it too sometimes, at least when I share a common language.

I was just reeling at idea of blurring the WG/GF line even more than it already is.

Talking about our "hobby" is why I like hanging out with my punting friends. Most of the people I know would be shocked by what we do. It's nice to have some friends to talk where we don't have to edit what we're thinking and bring it down the a "G" rating.

-G

Yeah, its easier with WGs when you just need a workout.


No money, no play. Simple as that.


I would have thought being the lord you are now, you have already managed to achieve the next step in the punting cycle.