Well, I tried to reason w/ you, and all I get in return is a backhanded comment about my "apparent" lack of reading comprehension and desire to get HIV.  You're on your own, pisser, since you obviously don't want to approach this w/ an open mind.

Cmon Man.... respectable Mr Moderator twiceAweek. This is Forum.
I'm asking for bros opinion, based on their experience and knowledge.
If I need personnel that qualified to answer my question I'll go to hospital then.
Bunch of Doctors there.

Anybody could answer me how high the risk from deep kiss @ french kiss?

From being a brown noser before you reached your Conqueror status you're now trying to become an antagonist !

Your original question was "Anybody could answer me how high the risk from deep kiss @ french kiss?"
and you chose repeated this question again ...

You are asking for a medical opinion and I'm telling you again, unless one is an expert,
one should not answer this question because the answer might mislead others reading this !

Please look at the FAQ and Forum Etiquette threads !

What's wrong with you???

When come to sex between two persons, nothing is 100% safe.

Exceptin' that it's safe to assume that the guy's gonna have to pay one way or the other!

SEAJ

I'll answer your question bro. The concentration of HIV in saliva is extremely low and gentle DFK is considered to be very safe, provided there are no cuts or sores in the mouth. However, some doctors warn against prolonged and aggressive DFK because it can cause damage to the mouth and lips, thereby allowing the virus to pass through.

But the risk of getting HIV from somebody's mouth is extremely low.

The dangers come from blood and the sexual organs - high concentrations of HIV.

This discussion reminds me of silly fiesty arguments in many countries that banned smoking. Off course pisser is right, but some like DATY too much they're not willing to think too long about it.

If my aids tests turn out negative, I'll only have:
- massages with HJ
- condom fucking
- a Robmans69, an almost safe BB 69: after a thorough shower she can BBBJ me while her pussy is just not touching my face, but close to it. I'll have my hands free for pussy, legs, tits,...

Some WG will allow this last one I think.  I'll have this translated to chinese and show it at the door.

I am not qualified to discuss this subject but I will dispute what you said ... "The concentration of HIV in saliva is extremely low"
Am I correct to assume under normal circumstances there should be NO HIV in one's saliva at all ?

This is my point, we are not quallified to advise others and any misuse of one little word or sentence could mislead others !!!

Bro, you obviously haven't "thought too long" about anything.

Nothing is 100% safe, not even BBBJs. Suppose the girl has a small cut in her mouth - perhaps she has just torn a gum when brushing her teeth - and while sucking you off, some of that HIV-laden blood get's into your dick? Why haven't you thought about that possibility?

You guys crack me up. You prefer BBBJ to DATY, so you fall all over yourselves deliberately ignoring the admittedly very low risk of HIV infection from naked BJs, while posing as wise and careful punters warning about the equally miniscule risk of HIV infection from DATY.

All the medical experts say the risk of HIV infection via any form of oral sex is vanishingly low. I follow the advice of those qualified to have an opinion - if that's your definition of not thinking about things, then guilty as charged.  But at least I'm not lying to myself.

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If by "under normal circumstances" you mean not infected with HIV, then of course there's no HIV in the saliva. If someone is infected with HIV, there will be HIV in their saliva [and in all their bodily fluids]. But it's concentration is low and, in addition, saliva is a poor transmitter of the virus. Blood is the REALLY BIG DANGER. Never go anywhre near a WG who's bleeding.  

Everything written in this thread assumes the WG is infected with HIV. There might be only a small chance of actually meeting a WG in HK that's infected, but it's just safe to assume that any WG could be infected.

I'm not disputing the information you just gave us as its makes sense, but I'm not qualified to give m opinion.

My point, again I repeating mself, is unless there is enough details, quantifications and qualifications, one can easily
be mis guided by any advise anyone gives in a forum like this !
If you didn't qualify your statement I would have assumed you were telling us everyone had some HIV in their saliva !

Thank you bro,
At least now I get an opinion. Will take this as your opinion and thought.

For bro twiceAweek, Im sorry for flaming you.  
I understand now why such treat is not really welcome here.
Off course if not because of your argument, the post here will mislead others who's reading this.
I'm not antagonist but at least this treat shows that Im not a brown noser.
I do respecting you now more compare when Im just a member.
Do guide me coz Im just a New Kid On The Block.
I do believe 'people gain from complaint rather than compliment.'

For bro Hunter, nothing wrong with me. Im just a guy who love DFK rather than BBBJ and DATY.
DFK while ML
Im sorry if I did wrong.

Don't waste any more of your time or breath, Mars.  These guys are obviously not open-minded enough to recognise the point you've made and the hypocrisy they are propagating.

I would give you positive karma or acceptance if I could pisser. I have been lurking for a while since my first few posts got slammed a couple months back. There really isn't any illusion of free speech in this forum with this acceptance system. If we don't say what everyone wants to hear, then we lose a lot of points. Even if we are trying to be helpful or offer good advice. Maybe someday I will get RA 30, haha.

Bro, TRUE free speech means any bro has the right to comment on your comment.  But there IS a consensus on the board, and there are standards and etiquette that need to be respected.  Anonymous does not equal unaccountable and ... in case it's not obvious ... free speech also does not equal equality.  This is a community of men, and like any other community it has a structure and politics.  

BTW you CAN give him "Acceptance" points, and you should if you feel strongly.  Use the "Rate" button at the bottom right of every post.  ALL registered members can award Acceptance (+ or -) as soon as they register.  The right to award and remove Karma is earned.  

Can't recall why you got slammed - most of your posts seem harmless ... except you lost two K in the "Body" thread by making a comment that had been already made several times that adds nothing to the thread.  Do your homework (not just you, but all newbies).  

... IMHO free speech means standing up for yourself if you are unfairly attacked or misinterpreted, otherwise taking feedback and adjusting your stance ... shouldn't be too hard to do on an anonymous forum!

[ Last edited by  DArtagnan at 20-1-2010 12:53 ]

PS ... to help newcomers like Sylvan who might be feeling hard done by or anxious about the dominant approach of the seniors here ... a new posting that clears it all up:-

Top 9 Ways To Screw Up In This Forum

I completely agree with you, but we all know what happens when a Newbie does that.

Sylvan received neg 1A and neg 1K for what I thought was a very reasonable Newbie comment to the report on Yumi MK8; nothing at all wrong with it. He then, as you suggest, put up a sprited 3-ine defence and we can all guess what happened - yes, of course he received a further neg 2A for his trouble.

This happens time and time again and the message to Newbies is clear - STFU and don't argue or you'll get more of the same.

Is it any wonder that a lot of bros stop posting?

It is well-known that the HIV virus is not easily transmitted during vaginal sex. That is reflected in the generally-accepted statistic that estimates the odds of becoming infected with the HIV virus from one instance of unprotected vaginal sex with a HIV-positive girl as approx 1 in a 1000. That explains why the AIDS epidemic in the West started with gay men and needle-sharing intervenous-drug users. Why needle-sharing leads to infection is obvious; gays are more susceptible because of  mucus-membrane-tearing anal sex. Transmission rates are higher among Africans because of the high incidence of STDs and untreated genital infections that permit the virus direct access to the blood stream.

Living creatures have been putting unsterilized things in their mouths for billions of years. Saliva is normally a fairly effective antiseptic. Many organisms have evolved immunity, but the environment that saliva provides is too harsh for infectious HIV particles to remain intact and viable. Furthermore, the linings of the mouth and throat are very resistant to viral infections such as HIV, so infection is unlikely if they are healthy and uncompromised.

So the only way to become infected from a BBBJ from an HIV-positive girl, is if she has a cut in her mouth. The only way to become infected when DATYing an HIV positive girl, is if she is shedding significant quantities of the virus and you have a cut in your mouth. Since you're far more likely to know if you have a cut in your mouth than to know if she has a cut in hers, the DATYist is able to adjust his behavior accordingly, while the BBBJ guy can only trust in luck and hope the girl hasn't recently bit her tongue, or tore her gums brushing her teeth, etc.

In any case, all the reputable sources give the chances of HIV infection from any kind of oral sex as extremely low. You want to eliminate all possible risk, don't do either. But scolding the DATY lovers while sticking your naked dick in the mouth of any chick who says aaahh is not consistent with the facts.

This.... seems to me to be a perfect topic to be discussed on the Member's Fight Club under Chat.

NOT as a backhanded compliment and definitely NOT gloating - but of late I have noticed that the awarding of negative karmas has slowed down quite a bit.  Better still, I notice that, nowadays, seniors here seems to at last be able to engage in rational discussions without using threats of Neg-ging anybody that do not agree with them - IMHO - a marked change from what it was even a few weeks back.

And I believe that it was that they did see that this forum just wasn't able to hang on to newcomers.

I'd like to congratulate you seniors for having made, IMHO, this conscious decision to continue striving for improvement here.

So how about continuing this at
http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/v ... amp;extra=page%3D1.

SEAJ
edit - substiture "compliment" in bold for "slap"

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 20-1-2010 16:00 ]