How are you doing Bro?  No news is good news?

Turned out to be herpes, HSV-1 and not 2. But still both bad

Wow, I am sorry to hear that, too bad you got incurable STD . Can you PM me who it was? And did you contact her, so she can test her self as well?

Married, kids, fiance? Hope the best for you!

Local GF, are you an expat, or local? Different cultures may handle it a bit differently.

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Sorry to hear that Dasani.  Hopefully you'll be one of those whose herpes never recurs after the initial infection, but you'll just have to wait and see how your body handles it.

Did your doctor suggest a maintenance course of an antiviral to reduce the effects of the infection and recurrence?

Oh damn, really sorry to hear that.

I was really hoping with ur silence that it was a false alarm, and checked this thread every now and then.

Hopefully u will be able to at least manage it with some meds, and ur relationship may recover, whether u choose to admit it or deny.
As regards to the suspect girl, can u share some more info? If more bros have had her since with no symptoms, that can help to clear her, and help u and us all to I'd her correctly. I'll take a stab and ask, based on ur description, if u maybe referring to Lily in James Lee ? Please understand this isn't to name and shame anyone, it's for the betterment of all here to be aware as much as possible.

Again, hope ur relationship recovers, bro, hang in there.

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I'm sorry I hear that bro.  But there are silver linings.  

This will not affect your long term health
You likely will never have another outbreak
You will very likely not pass it in to your SO unless you are immediately prior to or during an outbreak while engaging in sexual contact.
If you do, it's a virus that has a very high incident rate in the general population, long dormant times and therefore your SO could not really assume you went outside the relationship (could have had it for years and didn't know, etc)

As for identifying the girl--many of us are curious who it was but the reality is that it doesn't matter.  Just because we avoid that one girl from now on or the WG we each frequent wasn't the one that gave you herpes does not mean we are completely safe.  

We should all take this lesson seriously. Bro Dasani will be OK in the long run but we should be reminded that BBBj is not risk free.  We could each have the same problem at any time.

Bro Dasani, hope all is well with you and your SO

Love and support to you

B

Well since you mentioned Lily at James Lee Man, im gonna put this out there and tell you i went to visit her without appiontment weeks ago and showed up at around lunch time. Anyway i goes there and ring the bell, i was eager and excited to get that famous tongue.  But when she opened the door i had that Clockwork Orange experiience whereas Alex wanted grab those topless beauty Tits and then wham: Stop. That sinking feeling that i should not go in and just turn away and leave. That's just what i did. Left. Glad i did. Do not want to make the same mistake twice.

Boss, sorry to hear that, hope you get better and that you leave all this behind you assoon as possible. This must be quite a stressful situation for you.

Herpes is just about the only thing I fret about with the BBBJ.  You've got to be unlucky as hell to get a girl just when she's suffering from one of her rare outbreaks, but if a girl is going to work no matter what, then there'll be at least 5-10 guys a day exposed to her infection until she's no longer infectious.  While she may not have an outbreak for years, when she does, she'll expose 25-30 guys or more. Bummer!  

Dont forget that she also give him Chlyamadia and without treatment ie. antibiotics she can still infect all her punters.

Damn, sorry to hear that. This is really about the only thing I'm worried about punting. I guess the risk of getting it is much higher there since this industry is more heavily populated. Over here, I only go to the expensive spots. I guess I just feel safer that way (probably not though).

thanks for being honest OP, probably will make others think twice about what they are doing..........had you said nothing your loss would be for much less gain to fellow bro's

Sorry to hear it, Dasani. Biardker is right on the money with his advice in post #46. Basically, you were just really unlucky. A couple points of clarification:

1) This girl does not have an STD (chlamydia notwithstanding). She has oral HSV-1, much like (+/-) 70 percent of the population. Any person in that 70 percent group could transmit HSV-1 to someone's genitals through oral sex.

2) Dasani is one of the (+/-) 30% of people who does NOT have oral HSV-1. Unfortunately, that makes it possible for him to contract genital HSV-1. The other 70% have almost no risk.

3) Genital HSV-1 rarely recurs and is difficult to transmit. As I mentioned previously, if Dasani's SO is one of the 70% of people in the world who gets cold sores (or carries the virus asymptomatically) then he has virtually ZERO to worry about in terms of transmitting it to her.

4) Be happy that you don't have genital HSV-2. All of us here are in a high risk group for HSV-2. Statistically, at least 20% of bros on this board will carry HSV-2. Only about 10% of us will know that we have it. To have mongered and only come out with genital HSV-1 really isn't that bad. Be well, buddy!

Thank you for let us all know.  You could have remained silent and no one of would have been any the wiser.  If your're not sure on which girl gave you this maybe you can narrow down the bldg???  Please PM us so that we can either avoid the girl or at least the bldg.  I will now make sure that everything is covered.  

Dasani, Be strong, be safe and you'll get through this.  If you're still in Singapore stay there until this passes.

Take Care,
skeet

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Again, chlamydia notwithstanding, there is nothing to avoid about this girl. She has oral HSV-1, much like the majority of people in the world. Dasani is in the minority of people who did not carry oral HSV-1 antibodies, leaving him susceptible to acquiring HSV-1 on his genitals. I don't imagine there is much difference (if any) between oral HSV-1 antibodies in the general population and oral HSV-1 antibodies in the WG population. By way of reference, 90% of adults in Italy carry oral HSV-1 antibodies. That would be a lot of people to avoid during an Italian vacation.

Hopefully, Dasani's experience might help a few more bros wrap it up where they might not have before. But, from an HSV-1 perspective, it is probably equally risky to get a BJ from a virgin librarian who was often kissed by family members as a child.

I think the internet is the worst thing to ever happen to herpes. Lots of misinformation out there.

Uh, I think the chlamydia would be good to avoid, but that's just me.

Those high incidence rates (90% for example) are flawed for our purposes.  I've seen references of below 50% to over 80% for positive herpes tests in the U.S., but the antibody test they're using picks up all sorts of herpes variants (including chicken pox, the varicella-zoster virus which is a herpes virus and practically universal).  So when the drug companies, or the CDC or herpessuppliesforsale.com publishes an 80% infection rate they are using the most liberal interpretation of the data.

Think about it: if 80 or 90% of the population was infected: 1. you'd see a lot more cold sores, and 2: the world would quickly go to 100%.

Anyway, I agree that it's only useful to dodge a live herpes infection, trying to dodge a latent one is just wasting your time.

The cross-reaction you are referencing occurs with IgM testing, which has almost universally been discredited. An IgG test that results in a high positive is almost never falsely positive.


There are a ton of peer-reviewed journal articles where daily PCR testing, viral cultures, IgG, Western Blot, etc. are used to come up with those numbers. They're pretty solid. I am just bandying around 2/3 in the United States and 90% in Italy. The latest numbers can be dug up pretty quickly from any google search/wikipedia.


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That's not how the transmission of HSV-1 or HSV-2 occurs. Thank God. Herpes does not have the transmission potential of, say, gonorrhea to a woman where a single act of intercourse might have an 80% chance of transmission. In the absence of lesions, be it a social kiss, a receptive BJ or unprotected intercourse (for either virus type), HSV transmission will only occur once in many hundred instances when everything breaks just wrong. That is why oral HSV increases linearly as we age because there are more and more exposures with the possibility of transmission.

And, as most herpes infections are asymptomatic or unrecognized symptomatic, we don't get to see/notice scabs on everybody's lips. Thank God,again.

I hate railing on about HSV, particularly on a fun forum like this, but I just want everybody to be armed with the proper information. Sure, I wouldd rather be the guy with awesome stories about Macau but we all have our lot in life. I am the guy who can sort of answer some STD questions. Ugh. Anyway, the meat and potatoes for mongering purposes:

1) If you've ever had a cold sore then you can be reasonably confident that you won't catch herpes from an unprotected BJ. Obviously, follow TheButler's advice of looking for and avoiding anything that looks like an active lesion.
2) The possibility of HSV-2 needs to be considered even with protected sex. Condoms only reduce transmission potential by about 50%. Figure a high percentage of WGs carry HSV-2 (not that there's anything wrong with that).
3) I hate HPV. Super easy to transmit. Anyone with a SO might want to consider a Gardasil shot. Don't believe the BS that you are too old and too male to get it.
4) Pretty much zero risk from HEs and CBJs. Of course, if we all did that this board would be super boring. Much like my post. Anyway.
5) If you have a SO then it is probably worth it to get an IgG test just to see where you stand so you can figure out your preferred strategy.

Oh yeah. I am pretty sure that chlamydia is never passed from receptive oral sex, but that's just me (and science).

There is good news, though. The way I excluded chlamydia allowed you to take an unsolicited and incorrect shot at my post. So there's that.

So how are you coping?  Are you sure you didn't get it from your SO? Imagine if a punter's SO cheats, catches something, and then the punter thinks he got it from a WG.

when girls subject themselves to Oral Sex, i wonder if they are also cautious that everytime before and after that they should gargle listerine for proper hygiene, dont really know if that practice may lessen the risk of getting STD from the mouth.