Actually A LOT of Westerners, guys and girls, shave. I understand what you mean about having body hair on guys equates to masculinity, but does that mean you don't shave your face and let your beard grow out very long too?

You're right, it's up to preferences, but I think in general more Westerners shave or trim for hygenic reasons. Also if you watch any Western porn, it's sort of the fad since the 90s to shave or trim. 70s were the time of the popular hairy bushes...

As bigchinese has said, the girls DO like it when you have less hair. Some girls may like a very hairy guy who has a long scruffy beard, hairy chest and hairy everything, but I think especially in Asia the girls would enjoy a guy who has less body hair. All the times I've been to the massage places the girls have commented and said it looks great. Now I don't shave all the way, but trimming is definitely easy enough and doesn't take as much maintenance or bother.

Give me a break. No one said anything about hair equaling masculinity. We are talking about guys saving their dicks, not trimming their beards; and pubes stop growing, beards don't.

What exactly are these hygienic reasons for shaving your dick? Several of the Chinese bros in this thread have alluded to the supposed health benefits from shaving my dick, but none have given an example. I'm a reasonable guy, tell me how my health will improve if I take a razor to my cock - the whole hygiene argument is bullshit.

And you seem to think that all Westerners are really hairy. I've seen lots of Chinese guys who have more body hair than me.

As for lots of Western guys shaving their dicks, I don't think so.

Shave if you want, but it's nothing more than a personal/cultural preference, don't try to give silly reasons for it.

[ Last edited by  Marsupial at 9-1-2008 18:31 ]

Well you're the one who says the only group of guys who shaves in the States are the gays. So where do you get that? Are you the guy at the gym or pool checking out all the guys and pointing out all the ones who shave as "the gays"?

As for hygienic reasons, it's like hair anywhere else on your body. When you sweat, moisture gets trapped by the hair. And I know you're going to say shower more, but even when showering everyday you'll still sweat. If you say use deodorant, well that's actually bad for you as it clogs up your pores.

And I never said all Westerners are really hairy. Stop putting words in my mouth. Although in general Westerners are usually hairier than Asians; of course there will always be exceptions.

As for Western guys shaving, that's just from my general knowledge living in the west, at least in California. Pretty much all the sexually active guy friends I know shave or trim, no matter what ethnic background they are. I never said ALL, so please read a post before you get all upset over something I didn't say. Just because you're white, not very hairy and don't shave doesn't mean every other white guy is the same way.

That's your preference, so don't start calling everything else bullshit because it doesn't match your own views.
Yes shaving certainly is your personal and cultural preference, and I was giving reasons that I and some other people have for doing it. No one is forcing you to do it, so why attack me for it?

the only reason i shave is to make it look bigger

We've had this very same argument in another thread.

Having worked out in gyms all of my 50+ years, I have never seen a guy with a shaved dick, so I couldn't point out anyone even if i wanted to. I too have lived in California, and if all the sexually active guys you know shave their dicks, you hang with a very peculiar crowd. And how is it that you can say, "pretty much all the sexually active guy friends I know shave or trim"? Rather odd that! Is dick-shaving a common topic of conversation whenever HornyABC gets together with his buds for a beer?  In any case, I've never encountered an American guy who shaved his dick, tho I have read that it is popular among the gay crowd - thus my remark.

If you had just said that you liked to shave your cock, I wouldn't have objected; but you try to justify the whole thing by offering silly reasons.

The 'bullshit' referred to the hygienic argument, and the comment still stands. The arguments you give for the health benefits of shaving your dick are ridiculous. How many doctors recommend dick defoliation for health reasons? And this thread is about shaving your dick, so my previous comments referred to that organ, not visiting the barber.

But even when applied to other parts of the body, if what you said was true, women would be less hygienic than men because of their longer hair. And are you saying that guys with beards are not hygienic? Is it your opinion that Westerners with more hair on their bodies are not as hygienic as Asians? Hygiene has nothing to do with hair anywhere on the body. You bring hygiene into the argument to give scientific merit to what is just a personal preference.

IMHO I do think a shaved pubic area would be easier to handle; some times the hair can come in the way. But I cannot get used to the itchy feel....but may just try one day after reading all this buzz from the brothers here.

aye caramba...

From Wikipedia:

The attitudes towards hair on the human body also vary between different cultures and times. In some cultures profuse chest hair on men is a symbol of virility and masculinity; other societies display a hairless body as a sign of youthfulness.

In ancient Egypt, people regarded a completely smooth, hairless body as the standard of beauty. An upper class Egyptian woman took great pains to ensure that she did not have a single hair on her body, except for the top of her head (and even this was often replaced with a wig[7]). The ancient Greeks later adopted this smooth ideal, considering a hairless body to be representative of youth and beauty. This is reflected in Greek female sculptures which do not display any pubic hair. Islam stipulates many tenets with respect to hair, such as the covering of hair by women and the removal of armpit and pubic hair (see five physical characteristics traits of fitrah).

In Western societies it became a public trend during the late twentieth century, particularly for women, to reduce or to remove their body hair. The bikini and Brazilian waxing fashion as well as the sexual imagery in advertising and movies are major reasons for this development. This media trend began in the United States and is becoming ever more popular throughout other Western countries. It was also beginning to gain currency among men, among whom shaving or trimming one's body hair is sometimes jokingly called "manscaping".

Another article from Wikipedia:

Modification of pubic hair

In Islamic societies, removing the pubic hair is a religiously endorsed practice.[3]

Trimming or completely removing pubic hair has become a custom in many cultures. A preference for hairless genitals is known as acomoclitism. The method of removing hair is called depilation (when removing only the hair above the skin) or epilation (when removing the entire hair). The trimming or removal of body hair by men is sometimes referred to as manscaping.

Removal of pubic hair is not common in East Asian cultures. However, with more exposure to Western attitudes, pubic hair removal is gaining acceptance.


Anyhow, what's the use of argueing ? It all comes to personal preference and my preference goes to shaved. I also think it's more pleasant for a WG when she's BBBJ'ing you she won't choke on any hair on your cock. But that's just my two cents.

I can confirm this in Germany and some other European countries. Shave or trim the pubic hair (or body hair) have become very popular in the last 15 years. Especially among younger people is this very common.
I shave my balls and trim the rest.

I think since you're 50+ years you're not so up to date anymore with the younger generation. We're not living in the hairy hippie period anymore. Smooth is sexy, both for male & female.

I've been working out in a gym here in HK for the last 8 mths, and after the previous thread on this same subject, I've been on the lookout for signs of this new trend - so far no shaved dicks. Prior to that a couple of years in gyms in Seattle with a lot of young members - no shaved dicks there either. Damn! I guess I'm just not looking in all the right places!

But I'm willing to admit that maybe the times have passed me by. But what I'd like to know is how you can all say with such confidence that young guys the world over now all shave their cocks? Where does this info come from? I've missed all the reports in the media on this subject. Is dick shearing a common topic of conversation whenever young guys get together? You guys all share shaving tips, maybe show each other how it should be done? You suggest that the next time I'm in a bar here in HK, I should turn to the guy next to me and say, "Hi I'm Marsupial, shaved my dick today and it's really itchy, where you from?" I pride myself on staying well-informed on a variety of topics, how is it that this dick thing has escaped me?

Or could you guys just be trying to reassure yourselves that your personal idiosyncrasies are mainstream guy behavior? I think the only time you guys have ever talked about this, is here in this thread. If this thread was about foot fetishes, you'd  be saying that all guys love fucking feet.

Look, shave/fuck what you want. But don't tell me that I'm somehow behind the times because I don't shave my dick. And don't pretend you're somehow more hygienic than me because you spend hours fussing over your pubic hair.

I just wanted to let you ol' guy know it happens. It's not uncommon in the West, and the East is catching up, and not only gays do it, as you've stated before. Get the picture? Nothing more to say.

How do you know? Where does your information come from. If you can't site your sources, you're just blowing wind.

I "tend the garden" and ill tell you most of the women (non pro's) prefer it that way...think, Would a chick be more likely to suck your balls if they were smooth or hairy?..And yes Mars it is more hygienic. More hair means more surface area to hold more , well, dirt for lack of a better term but having said that its doesn't matter if a guy is clean. ill tell you it is a growing trend right along with guys being more skin/fashion conscious..the whole metro sexual thing.The same way older guys point and a guy who is clean and fashionable and says hes gay.
Mars Its ok gowning older and its ok not knowing everything and believe it or not its ok to disagree. your still a man( dunno about all this carefuly checking out of the guys in the locker room)It just looks disparate when when you argue opinions.

Leave the age argument alone please, it brings nothing to the argument except showing your own narrow mind.

I am 28 (still young, right?), western, and never ever saw a shaved dick and very seldom heard about it and then, only on the net. I traveled around all of Europe, Canada/USA, South America and Japan/China. I go to gym at least 3 times a week. This is anecdotal evidence and is not a proof of anything, but it does make me very doubtful of this whole "trend" idea.

Btw, I am not a fan of completely shaved pussy. Trimmed? Perfect. Shaved, I don't know... for me it makes the woman look like a girl/teenager and I find it less beautiful. Some women I know also share that point of view. See, this is a highly subjective subject and unless you bring real scientific arguments to the table, it will stay like that.

Want to know a real scientific argument against the whole hygiene thing? By going over the board with hygiene, the human specy is becoming more vulnerable to pathogenic agents. Why? Because to make antibodies, we need to be exposed to threats (the very principle of a vaccine). If you lived under a glass for all your life and suddenly went outside, you would die very quickly, same as if you had AIDS, even worse.

Maybe the metrosexual thing was like 5-10 years ago and now the trend is more for "real" men? Maybe Asia is a bit late to the game? Even during the peak of the metrosexual fashion, many women publicly voiced their need for more masculinity. The days of the pink man are over where I live, and I, for one, is very happy about that.

Agreed on some hair on a woman with the "landing strip" being my preference.
Now when i say less hair is more hygienic im not referring to virus's just odors. If people feel the need to argue this point (which can not be proven) its arguing for argument sake which is, well, just boring.
If any of you know any swingers, ask them. 90 % of the men tend the garden. And yes it does make your cock look bigger.   

Another guy who claims to know what 90% of a certain group of people the world over does.  Lots of statisticians and social scientists in this thread. When are you young Kinseys going to publish the results of all these in-depth, scientific surveys?

Buck, you a regular reader of Swinger magazine?

I've asked this once before, but none of the let's-shave-our-dicks--for-a-healthy-longer-life crowd have given me an answer: do you consider women with long hair, and men with beards to be unhygienic? If you insist on shaving the hair off your dick for hygienic reasons, you must also shave your heads? No? And why is that? Haven't you ever kissed a girl and got a long hair in your mouth! Yuckies!

But I'm willing to give a little on the hygiene question: yes, definitely, if you are an ancient Egyptian, living in a hot climate before the invention of soap, and have to worry about body lice, then shaving off all your hair is the way to go.

Or you can take showers.

Ahh..the burden of knowing everything all the time. lol
Wow you are reaching, basing half your post taking a line from mine and exaggerating it..anything in the quest to be MR KNOW IT ALL. Im now understanding why you get banned from this site from time to time.
Nup, dont have any swinger Mags. Do they even publish them anymore? Showing your age there mate...lol..i think they use websites these days!..
Ok, your head vs crotch argument is just a joke. Your head isnt tucked inside layers of clothing all day. And apart from some people, feces and urine do not come from the same stifled place.
Think, just a little, before you post.
Go back to checking out the guys at the gym mate

Maybe it's because you're 50+ that you haven't noticed this trend. But just to let you know, its a new thing. All the cool kids are doing it these days.

Yah I seem to have problems with guys who can't stand criticism or argue coherently - a very unfortunate combination.

Feces and urine? Now I understand - you're one of those guys who pisses all over himself and the floor in public urinals. I don't seem to have that problem. I can't even imagine how you manage to get shit in your pubic hair - but no need to explain. So yes, I can see that shaving is probably appropriate in your case.

Still no answer about where you derive all of your facts. I told you where my opinions come from - the gym. But you seem reluctant to give us the source of your very detailed knowledge concerning the cock shaving habits of a whole generation of guys - swingers or not. Must be trade secrets.

Nah, I don't know everything - just more than you.

Didn't you say that shaving makes your cock look bigger? - maybe that explains the urine problem.