With just 2 casinos? Dream on! These so-called "analysts" are merely trying to talk up the share prices.

I never tried to imply that there is a way to beat the house.

I am merely stating that, all other things being equal, having a weak inexperienced dealer is more advantageous to the player than an strong experienced dealer.

If incompetent enough, a weak dealer can actually tip the odds into the player's favor, and that is the reason why casinos employ so many security personnel and invest in state of the art cctv and other security and monitoring technologies.

I think you are misleading yourself if you believe that Wynn and all the other casino operators/owners don't know the odds on the games in their casinos, and work continously to improve the security of their casinos so they don't fall victim to these type of exploits.  Not all casino operators gamble, but they sure as hell know how much they stand to make, on average, when you bet $100 a hand at Blackjack, or that a weak dealer costs the casino money.

Actually there are ways to beat the house without cheating. The casino isn't stupid and they catch on rather quickly and will ban you from their casino. Know a few players that have been banned from certain Macau properties but not all of them. Yes, there are ways to a sure win for the player.

[ Last edited by  geoduck at 3-10-2010 20:17 ]

Given that all the games are mathematically stacked against the player by design, any way to beat the casino long-term would imply that the player must cheat.

There's an argument that card-counting is not technically cheating, but the automatic card shufflers have rendered that a moot point anyways.  Ditto for the laser and optical tracking done on roulette, but that circumvents most of the world's casino house rules.

Gamblers out there are working 24/7 to find a way to beat the house, and the casino owners work 24/7 to close those loopholes.  

I guarantee that if scientists create x-ray glasses, they will end up using the automatic shuffler for baccarat, and only roll the dice for sic bo after all bets are made.

Well, I can confirm that winning long term without cheating is achievable provided the casino does not ban you from playing and some Macau properties just don't care because they need achieve a certain turnover. You're the expert on gaming so you figure it out and tell us as I am not at liberty to say how exactly this is done.

Without reference to a particular game or perhaps promotional package, it's impossible to randomly guess what you may be talking about.

I'm assuming you are talking about a way to beat the house by solely gaming, and not a mixture of dead chips, comps, and questionable betting practices.

If so, I can't think of a game where a player would have a legitimate advantage in playing long-term, and that's the basis for the existence of these mega-billion dollar casinos.

nice.....................

In closing, gotta say that you're on the right track.To beat the house legitimately, it has to be through a promotional program with a mixture of dead chips, comps, and a percentage refund on losses. You need capital for this and some properties will never allow these promotions to continue when they lose consistently. One casino has allowed this to continue for the past 14 months now and I can only assume they need to maintain a certain turnover in their VIP gaming. In Macau though, there is always some promotion somewhere that will consistently benefit the player so it's just a matter of finding them.

[ Last edited by  geoduck at 4-10-2010 09:05 ]

not sure about Macau GD but in Vegas, i can probably say i'm up for the last 13 years and they dont ban me haha... of course, i leave the winnings with them, but what i can say is, it is definitely possible to win long term without cheating at baccarat. i cant speak for other casino games.

how can i mislead myself if i never stated that as a fact? did i ever state that wynn et al dont know the odds?

you wanna look good? look good from the original discussion, not from twisted facts and assumptions that you create and then pass off as my statement or belief.

Ok yeah, if you are talking about taking advantage of comps and promotionals while just churning the chips, then there is a way to win.  It's pretty easy to spot though, and it's not at all advantageous to the casino since it's probably the junkets that are gaining from this activity.

Since you say that a casino in Macau is allowing this, then it pretty much narrows down to (2) casinos that might allow this just to get gaming volume up.  I won't say which two, so enjoy it while it lasts, must be nice =)

I don't really care about looking good, the only thing I state is that weak dealers cost the casinos money, and that players can get an advantage by sitting on their tables.

You are the one that is denying that this is true.  I'm not sure why this is so hard to accept for you.  If I get your intent wrong, then my apologies, but that's what I get from reading your posts.

There is no long-term winning strategy from playing bacarrat (excluding promotionals, dead chips, and other freebies geoduck has mentioned).  If such a system existed, then Las Vegas, and certainly Macau, would not exist.

again, I didnt say there is a long term winning strategy at baccarat. i stated my own experience, which was in 13 years, i've never had a down year, and i dont take any promotions except my room, F&B, cigars and the occasional jet comp. will other baccarat players have the same streak? who knows... and las vegas will not cease to exist just because i've never had a down year. there will be those irrational asian baccarat players who throw good money after bad, inexperienced blackjack players, those who play roulette and worse, slot machines to bankroll the occasional winner. thats always been the formula, and not that everyone has to lose over a long period of time.

Statistically, the long-term winner is rare no matter which game you play (excluding poker).

I won't state the percentages, as I can't divulge any information anyways, so you would probably just jump all over the stats.

I can't see how any bacarrat player is irrational, unless they consistently bet pairs or tie, so i'll just have to take your word that they are irrational.

I guess you've been lucky for the last 13 years, great.

wow... gambling is an easy win easy loose situation.... but definately.. no one will win in the long run... win as in win more money then they have put onto the table...

but yeah... wow singpore 50 / 100.... thats pretty high roller in my opinion... but it seems singapore casino is mainly for foreigners so... maybe thats acceptable for people who are on holidays

Stayed at the Marina Bay Sands, Paiza suites and its actually quite nice.  Got the gambler's rate of SGD 275 Week-end and 250 for weeknight for a huge and nicely decorated room with terrace overlooking the bay, but eventually got comped for it.

Free access to the Sky Park and its quite the impressive roof top garden with a very long infinity edged swimming pool.  Ku de Ta, the bar/restaurant of Bali fame is at the end of it and it has quite a few "beautiful people" patronizing.  It was during the Oct 1 PRC National day holidays and thus there were quite a few PRC stunners - although I didn't have a chance to check if WG's or not as I was entertaining some straight business guests.

Unlike the chaos at the Sentosa casinos during the first few weeks of opearations, entry to the casino is ridiculously easy with one just flashing the cover of one's passport without any checking.  Even on Saturday night, there were a LOT of empty tables, although those occupied did have quite a crowd around.

OK place to just have a whirl/punt but I wouldn't/didn't do any serious gambling there as it just feels too touristy even in the high roller rooms.
  
Or is it just because I had a serious looosing streak whilst there?

SEAJ

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 6-10-2010 01:36 ]

do you see any WGs in casino or around casino areas like macau?

Haroldia, this has been mentioned before several times in previous reports on the Marina Bay Sands. No, WGs are not evident on the casino floor in Singapore. In Singapore, call an escort agency, or visit the couple of sex related websites or just go to Geylang.

Just to clarify - is this in USD or SGD? because SGD275 and 250 are really low by SG hotel standards in the central area esp for a suite.

Its SGD - as the booking was made by a friend of mine who's a serious gambler and gets this rate for his friends.  In any case though, I got it comped in the end as they also gave me some membership card which one gives to the dealer when gambling (to count points) and I guess I satisfied whatever requirements they have for comping me.

And yes, hotel rates in Singapore is truly atrocious and thus it WAS a treat to stay in a suite at those rates.

Geo - you're correct and I did NOT see any obvious WG's on the floor. There WERE though, quite a few "gents' who seems to be enjoying themselves in the company of lithesome lassies!!   Ahhh.... Singapore!!

SEAJ