Mars - I don't see where Pisser is suggesting for Rugger to NOT do anything.

IBELIEVE that he ( Pisser), like I, are suggesting another approach - an approach we consider more sensitive and in our opinion more sensible than your approach.  And I'd like to think that anybody is entitled to their own opinions - no matter how right or wrong others may feel about it.

Like I said, all of us are only giving our opinions and suggestions to Rugger - and it is of course Rugger who ultimately will do whatever he is gonna do.

No need for anybody here to get too upset!

Peace guys... peace!

SEAJ

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Then he is contradicting himself, and doing just what he thinks is right. Isn't that what he accused me of doing?

But you're forgetting one thing!!  

All of us here are only suggesting, giving our opinion, giving our ADVISE - and not giving anybody any instructions/orders.

Like i said though, Peace guys - it ain't worth it (or should that be "worthed" - what is it - anybody can advise me?)

SEAJ

How could anyone who posts to an anonymous forum fail to understand that?

Ok - whatever.  

Peace - Out

SEAJ

I agree with you. But I get the impression that Marsupial lives by the maxim ... 'when I want your opinion, I'll give it to you'  

Just the opposite, I thrive on controversy, and the stronger and more forcefully reasoned the opposing argument, the more interesting it is.

Oh, and despite the impression I may give, I never get angry in these forum debates.

Suggestion!  CHANGE your AVATAR!!

My God - that's a terrible avatar.  A cute l'il monkey would be nice and inviting!

Just IMHO!!

SEAJ

You're referring to his red demented eyes? That monkey is a killer, but a holy killer.

Come to think of it - how does one go about putting an avatar next to one's handle?

Any page/thread of instructions on how to do this? Or is this just common sense for anybody that's computer literate?

And you never replied me - and since you're the linguist amongst us - which is correct ' "It's not worth it" OR "It's not worthed."

SEAJ

"It's not worth it"; "It's not worthed" is incorrect.

I'm not sure if a Conqueror can have a personalized avatar, but to check, click' Member's CP' and then 'Edit Profile'. At the bottom of the page you'll see an entry for 'Avatar'. I have two options: one is to browse site-supplied avatars; the other is to upload your own from your computer, just as you would any pic you wish to attach to a post. Bear in mind that the avatar must not be larger than site-permitted parameters.

If you don't see the second option, that means Conquerors are not allowed to upload avatars.

Is your friend a born-again Christian?  Because if he is, then you have a tough mission ahead of you.  If he is Christian because his parents drafted him into the religion, then you have alot of leeway as everyone I know who was drafted by their parents when they were kids are not so strict on the religion and are keen to try all the sinful activities.

You know what is ironic about this thread is that there was a thread a few months ago about how to bring up the topic of mongering with acquaintances.  Most of the posters keep their hobby secret even from their close friends because they are afraid of the reactions and judgements.  Yet in this thread, ppl are suggesting the OP to throw caution to the wind and reveal to his close friend that he is a dirty dog!  

Here is that thread :

http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/v ... &extra=page%3D8

I would go with SEAJ's suggestion and talk to your friend first.  If rugger doesnt want to make himself sound like a dog, then arrange with a 3rd party (that your friend doesnt know) to bring up the topic in a normal guys' night out conversation and ruggers should pay careful attention on his friend's reaction.  Based on his friend's body language and facial expression to the topic, rugger will then know which road to take.  If his friend disapproves, at least rugger's friendship stays intact and his friend will think his buddy is a sick perv whom he doesn't want to hang out with again.

Thanks -  gonna try to get a good picture if I really, already can put up an avatar.

Hmmmm.... wonder what I should put up?  I sorta like Hunter's - I mean the gal is REALLY hot - but all that moving around - it sometimes makes me dizzy when I'm on the same page.

Anyway... we'll see. And again thanks.

SEAJ

Very interesting question and thread Ruggers. Some hard hitting advice and ASSUMPTIONS have come up:

Impotent
gay
worried about STDs
Christian, Jesus Freak
secretly married/engaged
pact of celibacy

Turns out only the correct  assumption has been confirmed by Ruggers as;  "He wasn't religious but he is now a Christian."

Ruggers if you do make the attempt to "convert" your friend and it fails, you may risk the friendship, and you may also risk many others in your circle of friends finding out about your extra curricular activities. If you are open about your mongering then the latter is no issue.

I have friends I would introduce to mongering, and those I just know not to go there. He is your close friend so only you are qualified to make the choice.
Btw, have any friends tried the traditional route of just hooking the guy up with some available women in your circle?

Notwithstanding the above I would definitely try to get my friend laid but I would go in soft and ramp up slowly, and keep an eye out for any signs of him going "freak out". Sure start with a little lubrication, but I think it is big risk of back firing if you steer him into getting too drunk ... you might get him laid but he may feel like victim, and drunks don't perform that well anyway.  Suggestions of veggie massage, KTVs sound good.

I have a close friend from high school days who is "born again" and there is no way I would even tell him what I do let alone try to convert him. He is the one wanting to conduct the converting!   Trying to think about how I could even broach the topic is hard and in my situation I know he is into women, so your task is more difficult. However I know he goes through long droughts, mainly due to remote location. You know the weirdest thing is when he was in the States he dated several women via Christian websites designed for that purpose, and I know some of those women did not need many dates for him to bed.

Maybe you should suggest such sites to your friend, he could not be offended by a site that helped Christians find Christian companions. After all, he should be looking for real GFs too when he gets home.

I too am intrigued to know how it goes .... good luck, and for your friends sake I hope he does get laid and is happy with the outcome.

Can one be friends in any meaningful way with a Jesus nutter? You have to wall off so much of what should be of common interest that talking to these people is like having to be sociable with that ancient spinster aunt you've been sat next to at a cousin's wedding. Or it's like talking to a guy who you know has some incredibly boring hobby that must be avoided at all costs unless you want to spend the next two hours looking at his nose hair collection.

One has a duty to deprogram these droids. Unless of course you think 'ignorance is bliss' and he should be left to mind-fuck god for the rest of his years.

In any case, ruggers says the guy recently embraced the Big J and that this happened after the guy had reached his late twenties without ever having dipped his wick in the sacred well - so you got to wonder if his abysmal sexual batting score had anything to do with his conversion - you know miserable loser virgin to devout and smug virgin because god approves of his "self control".

But yes ruggers, after all the time and effort we've put into this thread, you must let us know how it turns out.

Good god Mars, what are you saying? You're starting to sound like a bigot. Of course it's possible - all you need is a little tolerance and you don't try to 'convert' anyone who doesn't think just like you.

Can one be friends in any meaningful way with a .....

Anyone - fill in the blank to identify your own prejudice    Black? Jew? Homosexual? Genocidal Murderer? [maybe] Man Utd Supporter? Racist? [maybe]. But someone who believes in Jesus?????????????

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Note that I said "Jesus nutter" not Christian. So that question becomes: Can one be friends in any meaningful way with .....   someone who is hopelessly deluded about the nature of the world and his place in it, and is intent on converting you to his way of thinking?

Have you any experience with these people? I do - lots. One does not go out for a beer with a Jesus freak.

Experience??  I actually had to BE amongst them for 3 semesters!  The Holy Rolers, the charismatic Evangelist who spoke in tongues, and roll around in wondrous possession by the Holy sprit!!

The same school where your ex- attorney Generals' (Ashcroft) dad was Dean, and is situated in the same town as National Headquarters of the Asssembly of God! OMIGOD!!

If Rugger's friend is indeed a HOly Roller - there's just NO WAY that anything Good can come about with sprinGing anything on him.  These guys are amongst some of the most hypocritical people I know and they wear their "FAITH" on their sleeves.

IMHO

SEAJ

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Even more certain is the fact that no one is going to be able to reason with him. You don't sit down with a nutter and try to talk him away from Jesus. Believe me, when it comes to religion, this guys don't speak the same language as the rest of us.

Best put him face to face with temptation and see if his resistance crumbles. If his recent religious conversion is based on sexual frustration, some good might come of it.

Look, there is deception and then there is deception. It all depends on how one goes about it - one's motives and methods. Frankly, I think truth and honestly are not always the best policies; they would be if people were rational creatures, but humans are still carrying around a lot of chimp baggage. How else do you explain the persistence of religious belief?

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