Further….

OK, I accept that this is a free board and is provided for by parties who do have their own very good reasons for it to be one way or the other.  And it IS a Hong Kong/Chinese based board where traditionally one just submit to whatever dictatorial edict is handed down; this is how most of us from Hong Kong had been trained/educated/conditioned to accept “authority”

And yes, I do see that the English side had been very democratic in most matters – but I also see that this is the reason why it has been a forum of choice for a lot of us.  I do believe that just about all of us have had a part in making the board the way it is, and whilst too many cooks do sometimes spoil the broth, this formula had been a success here as far as I’m concerned.  If the “success” of this board had been a result of “dictates” from the very beginning – like another board I’m trying to fit in right now where the owner is “Boss” and even insists on being addressed as “Boss” – well, yes, OK, I’ve got no arguments and its either conform or take a hike.  But the very success of our board had been the free flow of opinions as expressed by bros who are more used to the way things are in the West and would chafe under the churlish methodology of classical Chinese structures/strictures.

I‘ve got nothing invested in this forum and I certainly do not deserve/expect any special treatment etc – but I do want to at least make my voice be heard/explain clearly as to why I now feel this forum is shaping up to be not much fun for me anymore. Que serrra serra…!
SEAJ

Ps edit - and NO I'm NOT just trying to get myself banned as it MAY appear to some. What I AM wanting to do is to get clarification/no nonsense reply/discussion and an opportunity to defend and explain myself.  And if it should come to an impasse - well, they can either ban me or take me on my word that I will just lurk and NOT post anything further.  And that is what I had been doing the past week or so - as I just cannot appreciate what all had been going on.... total silence and instead just crap accusations/innuendos etc.
I am just truly fed up with all this shadow boxing, innuendos, double meanings, maneuvering and whatever else.
Just spit it out!
Or is asking for/expecting rational discussion on any matter just too much to ask for in an adult forum?
And yeah - I also can play the stupid innuendo games!

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 13-8-2012 18:04 ]

I remember there was a time when you actually find posting and updating this thread of yours fun! That was when i first started joining the forum. I got a lot of kicks out from you. Learned a lot about the forum and learn a lot of other stuff! I guess what most of us will appreciate is that being a newbie, we some what need a senior to guide us and more or less answering those 'stupids' questions without the need of searching for it. There is no denying that newbies are lazy! Even now, once in a while I'll ask the questions rather than looking for the answers. A lot of newbies, myself included, have to thank you for that!

True, most of us define life with right or wrong/black or white...but we some how, whether we like it or not, will be caught in a little shade of grey here and there. Life is not perfect. If there is a set of rights and wrongs, then will the world be prefect! Hahaha...No wars, no hungers, no problems! Alas, that is not to be. There is no such thing as a perfect world as there is no such rules! If there is such a rule, it still wouldn't be a perfect world as the set of rules are drawn up by us.....We are no perfect but as long as we are man enough to admit our mistake.....to me that is good enough! Like you said, convince me when i am wrong, then I'll gladly back down!

To be honest, IMO, even if you are 'hosting a thread', so what? Its not exactly murder is it?

Remember the purpose of the thread! I believe even to date, you sir, have done a good job sticking to the very first posting! Post whatever shit you want but respect the rules of the forum!

Kudos to you bro!


[ Last edited by  locus58 at 13-8-2012 15:25 ]

I truly appreciate your - and other's - very kind words of encouragement -  here openly as well as privately though other means than an open post as I do appreciate that they do not want to be singled out.


And yes, I'm glad you pointed out:

"...Post whatever shit you want but respect the rules of the forum!...."

So what rule is it exactly that WE have not abided by? Supposedly Karma trading? Hell, I announced unilaterally that automatic K awards will stop on this thread going back over 4 months ago on March 30, post #3633 and the restrictions were only put on 2-1/2 months later on June 13 post #3985. Never mind the sanctions that they put on me personally - no big deal even though I still strenuously deny even an inkling of desire on my part to receive points in return.  Yeah, to me its truly ridiculous that some would even think I really wanted/needed more points!  And if we were really "point trading," where the hell were they for over a year when I WAS giving our automatic points for each post?

As you can see, there has NEVER been an explanation as to what it is EXACTLY that all of you had done wrong - never mind the purpose/use of such restrictions.

You have rules against something - fine - have it - but ForCrissakes - spell it out clearly AND apply it evenly. Want a change of direction as to the tenor of the forum - fine - do it by convincing us that its for the good - or even the very existence - of the forum and NOT just be handing out cryptic edicts/pronouncements from heaven which nobody understands and worse... would - or even could -  subscribe to!  

Hell, even if "the word" is that this forum is going to be what it is to be - a proverbial Middle finger to me and everybody else - FINE - no problem.  But at least come back on and tell us what it is to be.

SEAJ

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 13-8-2012 22:25 ]

Hey Yazoo,

Yeah, the last month has seen quite a few adventures for me actually...  but not really reportable:  (because it is just more of the same you've already heard from me, or meetings with regulars I've already discussed, or with a civvie that we cannot discuss here, etc.).  I thought about adding a report about one new WG I've started seeing -- but to tell this story properly I would need to bring up another taboo topic (drugs)  (and no, I'm no druggy, and I didnt think she was either..., but well... shit happens..,.  A strange nite+day+nite).

Anyway, I am travelling again, so no Wanchai nites for me for a little while.

That's the thing...there are no set rules only forum guidelines. To be honest, its impossible to have rules. Once you have rules in place, ppl whill try and find ways to go out it. What is best for us is to follow the guidelines and if someone step out of place, have the common courtesy to inform them. Impose something like a warning system. Then again, who is to determine what is inappropriate? This forum gave us the opportunity to express whatever we want. If someone is offended, dont be...its a free democratic world! Everyone is free to express whatever they want. Don't take offense, life is too short, enjoy it!

Make love , not war! But in our case, make love, pay money, leave room! Hahaha

Yes, I AM all for no rules/just guidelines and in fact, IMHO this had been the hallmark and reason for the success of the forum up to now.


But as far as who's "enforcing" anything, we of course have the Mods and they have imposed such on this thread - without explanation, without prior warning and even after I brought the subject of my automatic K giving (which I had stopped March 30) time and time again - which gets replied, "You can do whatever you want to do with the K-giving powers that you have earned."

No laws, no rule of law, not even guidelines proscribing ...nothing except the whims of the Mods.  And if this is the way it is going to be going forward - well, at least come out and state it and then we all can decide for ourselves what we are going to do. Hell, they'll now have the perfect excuse - it's all SEAJ's fault that this is happening to the forum.

SEAN

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 14-8-2012 19:20 ]

The k points is there for us to give out any way....so if I earn it I can give to whoever I want right? The fact that you give out to everyone, for every post, it's a real inventive for members to participate. Honestly, personally, I think it's a brilliant idea! I believe a lot of members would only surf the site without much contribution. If I like what you say or post or report, I can give you all my k points. Isn't that the whole idea of k points? To get members to post, to get members to report and to get members to participate?

It's all good fun to begin with and at the end of the day, we are only members to this forum. The mods are running the forum. For better or for worst, they will have the final say. All we can do it, enjoy the moment, if not sit back, have a pint, take a deep breath and relax! Tomorrow is another day!

I was thinking the world was imploding for a while there.  SEAJ was quiet, you had noscandals,  geez facebook was more interesting.  

Glad to know that once again all is right with the world!

Locus123: I tend to agree with you, and try to give away k's to people with low RA who are contributors, but I see the other side too.  I've seen people get more k's for an insightful comment that took them 5 minutes to write, than many NN reviews.  That isthe kind of reverse incentive that drives people away from reporting.

That is the other side of the argument.  I don't particularly agree with it - people puntbecause they like sex, and report because they like to write - but it is a valid argument.  

Maybe 5 A's should equal 1K and K's be only allowed for reports?  I dunno.

Too many rules=asking for trouble. IMO there is nothing wrong with the way it is structured. Favoritism exists everywhere. Maybe i like your avatar i decide to give you more K points, or maybe you are a funny man, give you another K point. My point is this, if the k points are there for us to distribute, let us distribute they way we like. Otherwise, limit our K points! There is no need to tell us how to distribute our K points. Too many regulation, other problems will arise! I'll be happy too if ppl give me lots of K points. Who wouldn't be?

Contribution is not measured by the number of posts! It is measured by the substance that you post. Wouldn't you agree? The reports that you make when you are a NN will be lacking compare to the senior bros here. But that may not always be the case....your report or the way that you report will improve over time! You will develop your own style of reporting! Basically, it will only get better. So to all the NN out there, be patience! Everyone of us started out as a NN!

"People punt because they like sex and report because they like to write"...maybe! I love to punt but i don't like to write reports. But you will still find reports made by me....why....because i want to contribute to the forum. Nothing more. I'll not contribute every punt that i made but only those that i enjoy or those they provided me with the worst experience. True i'll not accumulate more K points than those that post and report everything but then again, this forum is not about who's having the most K point! It is about sharing the information for other punters to enjoy. If you wanna give me K points for the information i share or a comment I made, i wouldn't mind. I'll even ask you to go for it! The more the merrier! My point is this.....the K point if for us to give it to whoever we want, whenever we want and how ever many we want! Its ours to give away!  

You do not need to have a good command of English to do a report with substance, but it helps. The bros out here will appreciate it even more if you don't have a good command of English but try to write the best you can. But at the end of the day, a picture speaks a thousand word and for the NN, asking for pictures might be challenging. Hey even now, i have problem asking the WG for a picture or two!!! Hahahaha



EDIT! This is my favorite thread! I enjoy reading some of the points/rubbish/trash talk/information/etc in here! It's fun for me and i always click on the thread when there is something new in here!

[ Last edited by  locus58 at 15-8-2012 15:54 ]

Jeezuz, this political bullshit just won't end.

Let it go.  It is what it is and it's not going to change.

This USED to be my favorite thread, but I rarely even check it anymore.  Sad, but true.

I have a much better question,
fully aligned with the soul of "Idle Chat"
here it is:-

What are your plans for Typhoon sex??!?  

post your most creative / entertaining ideas!!

You make it sound as if I truly enjoy all this. Christ!

This politics shit was not started by any one of us on this thread - and we all still don't even know for what purpose, what reason and to what end.

Great that you used to enjoy this thread - that's what most  still here also feel, but this is NOT the PRIME purpose of this thread.  This thread  has been maintained by those of us who wants to welcome and nurture the newer members - whilst of course just enjoying the camaraderie at the same time. But its quite alright if you don't enjoy it anymore. Nobody is forcing you to come back - no?

I certainly don't enjoy all this stupid, unnecessary-on-a-sex board politics nonsense and as such, I have on purpose stayed away as it has become NO LONGER fun and games.

SEAJ

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 16-8-2012 18:48 ]

Bro, let's sit back and look at some girls! We can go on and on about the political crap and stuff later again!Take a deep breath and relax!


EDIT: Stupid me! Forgotten to attach the pictures!!!

[ Last edited by  twiceAweek at 17-8-2012 14:29 ]

Please remember that the picture posting rules also applies to this thread

On a sheltered balcony, in the driving rain, with the occasional errant roofing tile flying by,  count me in!

BTW for us non- HK ers, is there a typhoon heading your way?

I escaped this one..., but the last one in July (the T10 (wow-- that was a BIG one!!)) I was in Wanchai early evening when the typhoon signals switched to T8 and the ferries where all grounded -- ahhh, poor me, stuck in WanChai for the nite.  Wink Wink.  By the time the T10 signal was alerted several hours later I was already snuggled up with a Filipina stunner in the Metropark hotel - watching out the 25th floor as rain pelted the glass like stones - her naked body wrapped around me in a mix of awe and fear.  "Dont worry, baby, we'll be fine".  (:>

That said, I was frickn shocked when I returned home the next day...  what a mess!!

Yeah, July made a big mess

not this one though

... for the next one, I'm saving up a nice out-doors location ... counting on it being deserted, very wet, and a little scary

I refer to the new rules as outlined
http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/v ... =page%3D1#pid445434
And I say KUDOS to the Mods!

As far as I'm concerned, this has removed ALL PORTRAYALS/DOUBTS AS TO THE INTEGRITY OF PURPOSE/AIMS of this particular thread - as it WILL no longer going to be singled out for unfavorable treatment.

Too bad for those who had been spamming the boards with stupid questions/remarks/comments designed to be provocative - all just to get undeserved posting credits; I go along with the main purpose of the forum - which is to be an adjunct/support the business of the PAYING advertisers and I say the hell with those who just want to get their jollies off ONLY to have fun and games.

Fun and games are of course GREAT - but not if it is the ONLY reason and not being conscious/aligned with the  forum's main purpose . And the way the new rules are set out, I can easily see that these main purposes will be well deserved whilst at the same time, still allowing all fun and games to continue - and to continue this with EQUAL TREATMENT being applied.

Again Kudos Twice!!

SEAN

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 31-8-2012 13:17 ]

AL


I will put to rest some of the assumptions you continously state about this thread in the very near future ...

NO need - I will most probably just start a new but similar thread in light of the new rules with the re-stated aims, ethos etc outlined.

Will just await others' suggestions/ideas etc here on this new thread.

So yeah guys, PLEASE GIVE ME YOUR INPUT on how you would like to see the "new" Idle chat thread to be - to make it all the more welcoming AND USEFUL for the newbies whilst at the same time making it an enjoyable place to congregate and chat away.

Thanks
SEAN

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 31-8-2012 14:16 ]