you don't understand the dynamics of the forum membership so don't make assumptions !

here's the deal… most people don't ask questions and keep asking questions over a long time period withoutcontributing back to the forum, what you expect is to have bros here spend their time answering you yet you tell us your too lazy to give something back ?

if you think that your way of giving back is to warn us that a methadone clinic is near some walk up then let me tell you you're thinking is warped …

if you don't intend to give something back then i suggest you participate in other forums rather then here !

Several Bro's happen to have appreciated that information, just because twiceAweek didn't doesn't mean no one does.

the fact remains you want to take from this forum and don't intend to give anything back … so i'm telling you bros here will be aware of this if you continue …

And I feel there's other ways to contribute to this community other than posting every single play by play of every experience. You've made it clear you don't agree, that's fine. People can decide for themselves.

I think we've both taken this topic as far as it can go... so to bring this back to topic:

Anyone planing to hit up the racetrack soon? I may be there in December.

They are doing whites a favor by not going with them.   You can look at it this way.

In general, compared to sauna girls in Macau these girls at
the Lisboa are know to give rushed and bad service. They have a generally bad reputation and bad additude.  The price now is something like
over 1200 to 1400 HKD for 30 minutes.  You can get a girl with better service at a sauna and aroind the same price for 60 mins.
The girls at the sauna is just as good looking.

I heard it was a communication issue with a few whites guys hat had problems with these girls in the past.  I recall it was over service, and
most likely payment. It was a huge disagreements. I have seen these Lisboa girls service white guys myself in past. The past meaning over 4-5 years ago. Then I start hearing they don't service white guys anymore.  I think they must have said it was too much of an issue ( trouble ) with whites and to forget about them.  In other words, it was just a few bad apple that spooled it for everyone else.

BTW, a Lisboa working girl was killed by a customer over bad service and payment.  This was over 3 years ago.


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This forum is based on sharing reports on WGs and its continued existance is based on reporting experiences with WGs and its subsequent discussions. You may believe in sharing via other means but this is not in the spirit of this forum !

You have stated that you have had experences with WGs but too 'lazy' to report even though you are not lazy enough to continue asking questions ... is that what you mean when you say your way of sharing ?

Lisboa girls have to follow the rules of the hotel management. All lisboa girls are told by hotel management that if the are seen with a non Asian in any of the CCTV cameras inside the hotel then they can't work in lisboa anymore. This is due to an incident that happened few years back where some westerners were staying in lisboa and took some of these girls to their room. To make story short, one of these girls almost died and the hotel got in trouble with the authorities. So, the hotel management made these rules. I have been with some of these girls outside the lisboa hotel and they love westerners.

That incident happened about 5-6 years ago but after a lull, the race track girls continued picking up foreigners until maybe 3 years ago ... but still, your asumption could be one of the factors  

If Lisboa management allows the girls to work in the basement, then why are they still forced to keep moving? Hence where the name the "racetrack" comes from. Why does hotel security keep an eye on them and the girls are forced to keep moving then?

Freelancer, I would image the reason is because public solicitation is illegal - even in Macau.  So I assume the Hotels "allow it" but it cant be too obvious or in your face.  A gang of WGs all seated together while punters choose them (like a KTV fishbowl or sauna lineup)  might attract too much attention, right?  Keep it subtle and everyone wins.. flaunt it and it's shut down.

I also think the biggest issue with "no whites" is the communication problem (a problem that is massively exacerbated by the rushed service the gals hope to provide.)  They want a super fast in-and-out with no arguments, debates, or problems.  Harder to achieve that if the two parties cant speak to each other.  There are 100 million times more Chinese in Macau than whites -- so why look for problems? Stick with the Chinese and make your night smoother.

Seems like a logical explanation in this environment.

I'm really not so sure about this assumption anymore.  There are plenty of hot Chinese women who can speak at least a little English, and the racetrack has higher end girls not bumpkins, so the odds are even a little more in favor of English.  Finally, if this WAS the issue, then one or two girls who do speak English could seriously clean up at the racetrack.  Every time I stop by there, there are westerners watching.

Well, I think this might be an "exception that proves the rule"...  SOME of them do go with whites.  It has been reported here more than once.  So while the majority dont speak great english, and therefore minimize the chance for conflict or a scene; a minority of these WGs do speak it well enough and dont have a problem going upstairs with them -- it is just less common.  My experience in the Macau Saunas is that most Chinese gals there speak very little english.  Very, very little.  I assume the Lisboa racetrack gals are similarly skilled.  A few will, most wont.

A white punter who gets a couple black-faces in a row from these gals will give up quickly, right?  So he leaves with the perception that the "no whites" rule is firm and written in stone.  I don't think it is.  The lucky whites just happened across the ones with decent english.   That said, I bet a WG with no english skills is indeed told to stick to chinese punters for exactly this reason -- less chance for conflict or an ugly scene inside a prominent 4/5-star casino-hotel.

Possible?

It could also be fear of LE.  In Wanchai bars a white guy drinking only coke trying to score a WG will often be asked if he's a cop.  Happened to me several times.  Why?  Well, there remain a ton of senior white cops in HK from the pre-handover days and they do indeed perform undercover work in Wanchai bars (mostly looking for drugs, I think, but I know two of my gals that got busted this way and deported for soliciting).  Macau will, it seems, also have a number of these pre-handover western cops.  Perhaps the same thing is happening?  Hmm, just thinking out loud of this last theory.  I doubt it is much of a factor given that most of the clientele (unlike Wanchai bars) are chinese.  A chinese man would make a much more effective undercover agent.  Not really plausible.

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I'm Asian and have been annoyed with suspiscion of being an undercover cop in Wanchai.  I don't know why or what vibe I used to give off, but less often lately.

What is the law exactly? This is a murky area as I know Macau laws are separate from HKG's... but if prostitution is legal in HKG/MACAU, as I understand it to be, then solicitation wouldn't be a fear factor for the girls or punters. Would it? Unless certain forms of prostitution are allowed and others aren't: 141's are OK, streetwalking is not; 1 girl is OK, more than 1 girl is not, etc.,. The streetwalking type (which is the category the racetrack girls fall into I suppose) is not allowed? But if that's the case the racetrack wouldn't exist so out in the open for so long.

While I was at the racetrack I saw two fully uniformed Macau police officers walking down the hall where the girls were and no one seemed to mind them, the girls nor the Chinese punters hovering in the periphery.

I'd think a bigger fear for the girls would be deportation regarding visa status but again I'd think the girls VISA status is totally kept within the limits of the law considering the girls are handled by agents and are paid a lot of money by the girls in order to keep the girls legal, etc...

Public solicitation for the purposes of prostitution is illegal in both places.  I know gals who have been arrested for solicitation.

Prostitution itself is legal in both places, though HK only allows 1-room/1-girl; while Macau allows "brothels"  (saunas).  So they differ in this respect.

So, approaching someone in a Casino lobby or bar and discussing $$ for sexual service is risky.

Still, I dont think the "no whites" code is related to LE activity.  I think the language barrier with the greater chance of causing a public scene/disturbance (inside a major, international resort-casino) is the primary factor.

All the girls working in the basement of the Lisboa do so under the protection of a particular group.

If you want to know which, just repeatedly take pictures down there in view of the hotel security.  You will get a very serious warning from them, very out of the norm from normal hotel security.  That's about all I want to really say about the subject.

At this time, I don't know about orders not to take white guys, but I have seen them with these girls often in the past.

In general though, white guys are much more trouble than Chinese or Asian guys for these girls.  Communication, expectations, are far more difficult and demanding than the Chinese whale who probably won't negotiate, has every intention to blow his load within 10 minutes (rushing to his wife, meeting, or more gambling), and doesn't expect anything close to a gfe.

As a point of reference, most everybody on this forum moans about how they provide such bad service, but I don't have this complaint at all.  I'm just looking to fuck a hot model-like girl with the least possible fuss, not pretend to find a girlfriend walking about the coffee shop.

Now can I say this for certain about the freelancers?  No, of course not, but I will say it is true with all of the sauna managers I have gotten to know in the past.  White guys are definitely not the target market, no more than they are the targets for the high roller junkets.

Hmm, I dont doubt what you say is true...  But -- seems to me Asians are after good service and GFE as much as anyone.  This forum would seem to indicate that.

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UPDATE: stanley11 had some interesting intel in his post in the Macau section, here is the relevant quote:

Anecdotal evidence suggest that among all mongers - white guys tend to be the cheapest and worst customers. This is not just in Macau but throughout various countries. Among the countries that are more desired are the newly minted rich guys from Asia who splurge like crazy e.g. Japanese and Chinese

This is a column from stickman bangkok done 30 June last year on why Agogo girls now prefer Japanese and Asians over Farangs nowadays
http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/S ... Asian-customers.htm

I guess what it means is that as a whole, white guys who monger tend to be cheaper than Asian guys who monger.

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Well, the articles are from the girls POV, so it'll naturally be different from yours.