sometimes, actually most times, these girls don't have any choice !

That is something most of us don't want to think about too much. I hope I
see gals who are making their own decisions and are not managed by someone
who is forcing them to do anything. Still I know you are right, some are not making
the decision to do this kind of work, I have even heard of cases where a gal is paying
off a debt of a family member, very sad.

Perfect thread for my comments and recent Tin Hau experience. My original rating was just posted in 141 Walk-up & Others (http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/v ... mp;extra=page%3D1).  It was a bit long and the comments are better posted here.

So I visited a "250" girl for lunch today and wrote the following after the punt took place, snipped it from the original post and pasted it here:  

The Guilt:
As we dressed she asked where I was from and I asked here where she was from. She said Viet Nam. Just for fun I played dumb and asked her how much she would charge in VN money. She said she didn't understand. I asked her what VN money was called and again she didn't understand. I pulled out the iPhone and spoke to Google Translate which printed on the screen, in Vietnamese, the exact same question. I even asked is it Dong? She finally admitted she wasn't VN. I said "you are Thai" and she finally gave me the first big smile. Apparently her boss instructs them to do this. I can only presume he wants the "exotic" thing. What's wrong with Thai? Most Thai girls are great (when not incarcerated) - what's the problem?

Incarcerated the are. I asked her (like the other "250" girls in Tin Hau) if she had ever been outside. She said she was not allowed. I asked "even in the morning before noon when they start work?" Nope… Not even to see the sun for 30 seconds. I asked if I could hire her for 35 min to take a walk and get a snack outside and she said "not allowed" at all. She has been here a week and has another 20 days locked in this room and she hates it and hates HK people. All she ever sees are mostly cheap ass smelly punters trying to bargain her down for $150 punt. I don't think she expected 20 to 30 tricks a day.  I would hate HK too.

I know the girls sign up for this and that this is their choice, their livelihood and often a good paying livelihood, but I can't help but think these Thai imports are at least being hoodwinked with smooth talk and then incarcerated once they arrive. After a week of this, she, like some of the others, was complaining about how her pussy and insides hurt. This girl is 20 years old, beautiful, from the Thai countryside and will believe anything.  Perhaps I'm wrong and this is all just a ply for sympathy tips  but these are mostly very nice sweet girls who seem pretty new to this.

The fucking guilt:
I know you guys are sensitive about the girls being mistreated by punters and their occasional brutal revenge sex but I think this is worse.. So bros, could you live in one of those shitty rooms with nothing other than weird fluorescent and monitor light, no windows or air, no TV or radio, no books or magazines (that I could see) for 30 days? Living in a room without a window is bad enough with a normal life  but constantly 30 days? The is no cue for day or night other than the sound of doorbells. Living like that has got to seriously fuck with your mind. At least in a submarine you get to hang with your mates and have entertainment. All this girl had was an iPhone.

Don't get me wrong, I like the price and the overall beauty of these girls and when you get a good one it is a huge bargain and a great punt but this "30 days in the hole" shit they suffer is a tough call.

If it turns out their passports are taken away I'm going to have an entirely different attitude about doing these "250" girls - even if they do make good money.

One of the things I find comforting about the time that I spend with any WG is. I always try to be nice and talk to them about themselves, and I am genuinely interested.
They must see their fair share of ass holes, so it's good to let them know we are not all the same.
I do my best to treat them well, one bar girl I met in Escape once I took her out for a couple of days, for some sightseeing as I had some free time, just because she was nice and had good chemistry.
I even asked her to bring a friend if she wanted, and I didn't ask for anything in return even though she offered freebies on my last day before flying home. On this occasion I declined, and told her it was just for her, not as a way to get anything back.

Don't get me wrong I do not make a habit of this, but it must be shitty sometimes having to go with guys that treat them purely as sex objects, and not good for their self esteem. We all know why we are there us as horny guys looking for many girls to fulfil our needs. And they to earn a living, sometimes because other options are not available to them.

So best to keep it nice, so both come away not feeling like each has been exploited by the other.

All the above pretty deep for me!

You have pointed out the one area that makes me crazy. It is one thing for a gal to
get into this business with 100% of the knowledge she needs to make an informed
decision BUT when they get tricked (even just a little) it makes me crazy. These gals
are just like gals everywhere ... they are trying to get by and take care of family, kids,
parents ... fill in the blank .... whatever. To take away their passport to be 'Incarcerated'
is bad. I know I am part of the problem as I spend my $$ doing her and othr gals like her
but I do hope she gets home safe and finds a way to support herself where she knows
what to expect and can deal with it with full knowledge.

travelpro, you are right also ... I may not be the only simple minded horn dog here BUT on
a couple of occasions I have paid a gal and just spend time talking to them about what they
wanted to talk about. I know I may have been taken ... but thats OK my heart was in the
right place. If I lose a few bucks once in a while THINKING I am doing something nice it
won't kill me.

keep it covered AND be nice, being nice never cost anyone anything.

[ Last edited by  49butfun at 15-12-2011 04:05 ]

Seems like same kind of thing here state side.....can't go outside. Just to see if they can,  several times I have asked for a couple hours to take to lunch and to do some sight seeing. Even offered big $ to see if they could break free from their room . Girls always say say theyh would like to but never give a yess or no. when I try to make the arragements the booker never even responds to these requests.

Some place make wg pay a fee if they dont show up for work. So its not a choice for them to not show up. But as far as the wg enjoying their job, i do have to say some does enjoy their jobs.

Good money
Easy job
Does not require education
Can be hired easily if ok looking or great body.

If only it were that simplistic.
I am sure some girls do enjoy their work, but like the rest of us it helps if you have a nice environment, and work with people you like. Which is why I try to be pleasant.
Re the following:

Good money: For some maybe, but I would imagine a fair share travel in the hope of making money, for whatever reason they may have (consumerism, family to support, no jobs), and possibly only just make enough to get back.

Easy job: Again if the guy treats them well, it probably makes it a lot easier. I am sure if I were a Working Boy, and a stunner wanted my services who was nice to me, I would more than likely to be happy to provide service for probably no pay (LB talking there).
Not sure I would find it easy if some big drunken mama, with a BO problem and hairy warts wanted me to do the same.  

Does not require education: Fair point on this one.
But I am always amazed that most the bar girls I meet speak at least two languages. Yet most people I know, who are educated are so singular and only speak one (me included). So I think Kudos to them for that at least.

Can be hired easily if ok looking or great body: Again fair point, doesn't mean it's an easy or enjoyable job. I only hope they do enjoy!

I believe it depends on repetition. If you just met the girl at a bar, escort agency, etc for one time a vast majority of them do not. They may let you believe that they are having fun for the sake of having a great review to attract more customers or for the idea of repeating their service. However, if you see a WG frequently and use your charm which they might feel something there and enjoy it. However, that is rarely the case as they might give you that idea and expect gifts, trips, etc on the side.

Someone once suggested we start a thread about Agents - so we could rate them (which once B&S, keep ya waiting for an hour, etc. versus which ones are great and reliable).  This would be another angle on the whole thing - which agents treat the gals well and which ones dont.  Perhaps the gals would start to learn as well - and switch agents the next time they come to town to ones that are known to treat gals well (give them more freedom, better pay, etc..).  If it worked it would improve the whole industry (happier girls, happier Bros...).

I have spoken to a ton of freelancers about their agents - of course a freelancer-agent is very different than a WU or HG agent - the freelancer agent just pays for the gals flight, gets her a room in a boarding house, and maybe gets her an extended visa (via a fake sponsor) in exchange for a set fee.  Apart from that the gals are free to do what they want and earn what they want as long as they pay the debt of weekly.  90% of the gals I've spoken to said their agents were good --- helpful, truthful, etc.

The HG or WU agents are obviously very much more involved in the day-to-day business (making the appointments, advertising, photoshoots, etc.) and some are clearly going TOO far with controlling the girls.  Not being allowed out of her flat ever is wrongful confinment and cruel.   

Perhaps we should boycot such agents  (though the Chinese side would have to join in to make any impact at all...).  Eventually, such "bad agents" would be weeded out by the gals themselves ("dont work for him -- he gets no clients!").  

The sad fact, is that if we actually did this successfully, the poor crop of girls currently working for them would be getting no work.  Hurting them even more!  That's the problem with sanctions --- the innocent feel even more pain until they finally rise up and say "Enough!" and overthrow the tyrant.  

I realize this is a pipe dream --- BUT:  I suppose I have alredy been doing it myself.... I dont do WU or HGs anymore because I dont like the service from exhausted, over-worked gals.

anyway.. just a thought!

eh ... bro, this is not going to happen ... not any of this

There are two sides to everything (sometimes more)... There are some of us who loves our job, some of us who hates it and some of us who just take it as part and parcel of life, a means to earn a living and survival. In my opinion, these girls may just be the same like the rest of us, after all, it IS a profession. But the difference will be some of these girls may have been duped into the job unwillingly. Like it or not, it is a lucrative business for certain parties involved in the business.

Over the years, I made friends with a few mamasans and I learnt from them that there are actually quite a few of these girls who got into the trade willingly, knowing the possibility of making lots of money in short period of time. And I also learnt from them that there are some girls who really enjoys it as they may be addicted to sex and since they want to enjoy sex as much as they could, why not make some money out of it? Of course some of these are freelancers who operate by themselves without agents. With website like Craigslist, it's not difficult to do so.

Then of course there are those girls who were brought from a third world country or property stricken places and was most probably duped into the business. These are usually locked up in a place for a period of time and is expected to do as many tricks a day as possible.

Lastly, even though how much they enjoy their work, I am very sure there will always be good days and bad days, just like anyone of us. So treating them with a little respect and being nice to them will definitely make a difference...at least based on my own experience this is true. They are human after all...

When I had my condom break, I ended up spending some time with the girl I had the problem with as I took her with me to the doctor to get tested. Her name was Floraliz (spanish, nice sweet name) and she had been told on arrival her name would be somestupid anglicized name so people campn remember it (she worked in a curtain bar in Lockhart). She told me she didnt have her passport, the mms kept it for safety and that she had to pay a lot of money for the trip to HK so she woild make money but not as much as she initially thought, think he got tricked a little even though she said the mms was nice to her. She thanked me for being nice with her. Paid the doc for her and also gave her on the side the equivalent of 1000hkd which I had changed in PHP so she would have something when coming back home.
They are wg, but the words should be looked not as one but two words, they are Working and they are girls. They have feelings and can be nice or in a bad mood and theyare like us, they either love or hate where they work, but their job is way more risky than mine and I admire them for that.

Tuffbod says:


Does that exist here in HK? It happens all around the globe but being a typical yankee, I never have seen it.  I know it even happens occasionally in the US deep in some ethnic urban neighborhoods and I heard in rural hard scrabble parts of Texas and the south as well.

I didn't believe the stories of dom helpers being mistreated and illegally taken advantage of either, but apparently it happens here. Conscripting a cute, gullible, destitute youngster from the poor countryside in the Philippines, Cambodia, Thailand, China or anywhere shouldn't be that hard. If they can make helpers sleep with the pots and pans and work 14 hour days for 29 days a month for 1500 I'm sure they could do anything.

I sure hope not here. If I ever did some poor kid working as a sex slave I could never forgive my self.

Around 12:45 this afternoon I went by the corridor where all the cute little $250 Thai/V.N. etc girls are. No Access. The gates were closed. What struck me was how tightly they were closed. I appeared that they were padlock shut. I moved on thinking that the agent had been busted or something and the girls were gone. The gates were tight and it was dark.

I went to see another girl and when I was done I went back and the gates were open and there were some people bring towels and things. I remembered an hour before the gates had been padlocked in such a way that I thought the girls gone, but they were not. It appears they were inside all along and the gates padlocked to keep them in. Did I make a mistake in my observation?. This is way fucked up on so many levels if true.

All we need is a fire and disaster ensues. Not that far fetched considering the chick I boinked today has full cooking and entertainment gear amoungst her clothes and things.

What you are describing would make a great scandal story for some international tabloid, and would give HKG a big black eye.  Hopefully LE is monitoring and will take care of things.

Padlocked in?  This no longer has anything to do with mongering and is simple criminal behavior.  It would be no different than if they were padlocked in to sew Nike sweatshirts.  But you can be sure the scandal press would play up the sex side of things because 'sex slaves' sell newspapers.

I think it will vary wildly by girl and situation. But I doubt this is a dream job for anyone, and I am sure they have some pretty terrible days. Especially when they have Ho explain what they do to their families, etc. nobody. Is proud of being a WG, and living without pride is hard. But most people aren't proud of working at McDonald's or cleaning toilets either, andthat's work people do for far less pay in Asia.

What's important is that we do our best to make life better for the WGs we see. Kindness, compassion, and treating a girlas an equalwho is providing you with a service like any other professional you encounter goes a long way to bringing good karma to the world

/just my 2 cents.