And she has no "European background" culturally. There is about a 99% chance that her mother was a prostitute who got pregnant with a customer whose name she didn't even know, and decided to keep the baby because half white half Thai babies are considered beautiful fashion accessories in Thai culture.

(By the way, there is also a chance that the "half European" thing is pure BS. Many Thai people, even from the rural hinterlands, are white skinned and don't look like bargirl brownies.)

While you say may be true. By giving cash I can see this only going one way, and IMO not a good one.

Obviously, the OP cares about her feelings in this whole thing, otherwise he wouldn't be asking the question. He shouldn't take the risk of offending or demeaning her, he should treat her with the respect he would treat GF, after all he did the GFE from this fling.

... are cashing in, precisely the way you are suggesting

NONE of that comes from the OP ... you're speculating ... and just showing your demeaning prejudices

Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"???

Give her both a thoughtful gift and a gift card at say her favorite clothing shop.  You get the best of both worlds.

liberty8 regardless of what you choose to do please let us all know how it is received and outcome.

Best of luck

Of course i will mike, just letting it dwell at the back of an my mind for now and cocentrating on enjoying myself alone tonight though, anyone goin out?

she may not have said so but she'd be expecting it and agree with other Bros who said cash is the thing.

I would guess that she prefers to stay with you than in a hostel, and on the basis that she is giving out for the privilege, she is basically paying you in kind for accommodation which is great. My advice? Post a picture for us all. We will then give her one as well then at least you will know the other blokes fucking her whilst you are not.

FYI Thai are the queens of manipulation. She is playing the long game with you hoping for the envelope when she leaves. She knows you are thinking about it, and in her head she will have clocked up how many times youve fucked and the right amount also. She is not fucking you for funor love. That is certain. Would you do your job for free for a fat ugly old american woman just because she was nice to you?  nahhh.

In your head you will be thinking "x days at 1000 a day..." and will slip her something along these lines. Here is the twist on her thoughts that means you can not win.

Sc 1. You give her nothing. She thinks you are going to marry her. You then have the distant relationship other msn and email starting followed by the "I dont want to work in a bar but I have to..." and you sponsor her so she doesnt have to.

Sc 2. You give her under. She is offended, acts sad, makes you feel guilty, you then send her more money when she has left,a dn she progresses to Sc 1. above

Sc 3. You give her the right amount. She realises the score, but most likely will either reject the money and move to Scenario 1. above, or take the money and move to Scneario 2 above, which then moves onto Sc. 1 anyway.

Sc 4. You pay her too much. She will take the money or pretend not to want it but will take it. You are shown to be soft and easy to manipulate, and you go straight to sponsor candidate (along with a couple others).

You can not win if you feel emotionally involved at all. Personally? Go route 2. Pay her 100 bucksa day. Offend her. DOnt exchange contact details (at least dont give her yours).

Then say  "BUT IF I GAVE YOU MORE, IT WOULD GO STRAIGHT TO YOUR MENG DA'S POCKET AND THAT LAZY SHIT WILL NEVER HAVE TO GET A JOB".

Her reaction will be a swift mix of tears, hatred and violence as you have nailed her, guessed her game, out manipulated her, and won.

Seriously though......POST A PICTURE> LEt me fuck her. I love fucking these girls.

Quite a cynical view of the world and of  working girls. Bottom line is theyare still people and deserve to be given some respect.
We are all just trying to survive in this world and make it as good for ourselves as possible. Put your self in her shoes

Not after I bang your gal first (Bee) and then this gal.

So, you got to queue.

I think what you should do, depends on what you're going to do when you get back home.


If you still plan on marrying your fiance, then this is all just your guilt talking.
Just enjoy the time/sex you have with this girl.  At most, give her a trinket (though I wouldn't bother).  And save the money that you would have spent on this girl, on your fiance to appease that guilt.


If you plan on breaking up with your fiance, then take this girl out to dinner and stuff.  Treat her like you would a girlfriend. (treading cautiously)


In the end, you're saying that this a great freebie....
But if you end up giving her money and gifts for her "time and services", it's no longer a freebie, is it? Hrmm?

Took the words right out of my mouth. To the OP, i agree with what DArtagnan said. I would pick her out a nice gift and if you'd like, perhaps even keep in contact if you feel good about it when it's time to leave. In my opinion, cash in this situation may even end up offending her.

Hey Guys, Final update

Wow, so much has happened.

Ok so firstly, she was testing me about the whole 'bring another girl in' thing. i finally decided to set it up for Friday night, picked up a nice looking viet girl from Neptunes (who i explained what i was looking for to) and took this new girl back to mine

So we were texting and things were all arranged for her to come over, Night drags on a bit and she still hasnt arrived. I'm a little drunk that night, and probably not my best judgement but i think, mmm best not to let the rice go cold. So i do what a guy would.  I eat whats in front of me

Anyways long story short, my original girl doesnt come that night, got caught up working etc. I kicked the viet girl out after one shot (which in itself was hard work)  because she just wasnt doing it for me.

However she does come round the next afternoon, sees the evidence (well finds), even though id hidden the packet RIGHT at the bottom of the bin in the bathroom, but doesnt tell me, just acts all distant and aloof for about 2 hours. Didnt push anything with her sexually, as it was obvious she was pissed about something. After a little while, i figure it must be woman related (isnt it always), to cut  long story short, i told her what happened the previous night.  She goes quiet for a minute and tells me she aready knows. and that we should talk. and so we began possibly our most open and intimate talk since we met.  She says, turn the light off, its hurting my eyes so i did


please note the following is my memory of the main points, its been a couple of days so may have missed points, it the gist of it anyways, most of its shortened.

We talk about a whole load of things, My life back home, my girlfriend, my expectation of things, of her, and how unexpected this whole thing has been, and about how i never thought she was doing this for anything more than a bit of fun, and that i genuinely thought she was ok with it (was careful not to mention money)

She talks about her life (btw her dad was some sort of boyfriend to her mum who disappeared sometime after she found out she was pregnant, previous poster hit it on the head)
, about meeting people in the past hoping to 'snag' them. long distance bfs etc, most of the stuff previous posters have mentioned and it seems is pretty common in thai culture for WG's. and how Hong Kong for her was just a working assignment that she had no expectations from, bar going home with a decent amount of money. Certainly there was no expectation that she would meet anyone

She told me she had me figured straight away, that i knew girls, the way they are, the way they act and what they really mean when they say things. That I wasnt a typical whoremonger (she was right, im ok with it, but it has never been a consumng passion in my life) more a serial relationship guy.  and that she knew i wasnt looking for someone to pay to spend time with. I asked why she was here with me then and she told me, its strange. That i didnt look/act like i wanted the things that most of the men she meets does, she decided what the hell. He seems like a nice guy. lets go out with him and see what happens.

She told me that we got on well in her eyes and that after a very short period of time we started to get on very well. Its true that we did speak a lot, maybe noone really ever took the time to get to know her. just one proper ex BF (thai,lazy as fuck etc) and that she never thought there'd be any chemistry because horniness isnt a trait common in WG's, but that the intensity of it shocked her, that some nights she rushed through work desperately so she could finsh and come pounce on me (i was shocked at this, i mena i agree it was amazing, i just hoght she was very professional!)

and also because of this, how disappointed she was that i had done what i had done.  I thought about trying to blag it, to make an excuse. but then thought no fuck it. if we're being honest i might as well be. i told her i was disappointed she wasnt there, and that i did what i did because it was on offer, and that at the time she was most likely doing the same thing with someone else. Also i thought t cant hurt for her to know, it wasnt all that great so i told her that too

Surprisingly, though she hated my actions, she appreciated my honesty (her ex was a lying worm of a man, her words and that the only thing she'd ever want in a man is someone who no matter what they do wrong, can admit to it) she said, that lying is what causes the most shit in a reationship and that she had lied about being ok with me with other girls.
That she understood that doing what she does, and the way we met, that she didnt have much expectations on that score. she believes every fucks around, she just wanted to know what type of man am i afterwards.

Im still laughing inward about what she said next, that i was the best kind of man. who knows people have weaknesses but refuse to live life in any way but the way i see fit. and not apologising for the things ive done. and that even though i did what i did, in a strange way, she knew she could trust me, at least to tell the truth.

I reach over and touch her face in the dark, her whole face and pillow are wet with tears, i say fuck, what an arsehole i am. and she tells me no, it isnt about last night, just unhappy because life is just a bit shit most of the time

remember thinking fuck me, this girl isnt even 20 yet, how young to be feeling like that. to be fair she deserves to have met someone a lot better than me.

I give her a hug till shes ok and ask her what happens now. she says its up to you.  

Cue my turn to talk. i tell her the truth, That i can't offer her anything real. That i will be getting married next year. but if she still wants to be friends i would like to be, and that maybe i can go see her when i visit thailand.  Then she absoluely stunned me with what she said next. im very rarely speechless but she caught me.


She thinks about it and says ok. we can be friends on one condition, she knows what people think of thai girls, that they all want to find a nice western husband who's rich.  I protest and she cuts me off, saying hey i thought we were being honest. ok i admit, i did think there was a underlying something, not motive as such but a sense of. lets see what this lad is good for etc. she tells me she knows, she's used to people being wary. but that this wasnt the way it was. se said, we get on, we can be honest with each other always. If we can keep that, then we can b friends. So whats the condition, this is her reply

I need you to understand i mean the things i say. i was never here for money, that if she wanted to, the are a lot of easier men to screw money out of. this isnt what real friends do. in fact , if i ever offer her any money, she's walking.  i bring up the sex thing, friends dont do that do they? well.. ok we can be special friends haha ok i say, special friends is ok. in fact special friends sounds good.  i ask if i can take her out, buy her a small present, she says no present, but we can take each other out. (since then i bought her lunch once , she bought me lunch once. i took her for chinese, she took me for thai!) and the sex has been better than ever.

Is it just me or is this girl just wow?

Anyhow thats the gist of it, Im sitting at HK airport now waiting for the flight home, we have exchanged email addresses and ill probably stay in touch,  As for back home, well there i really do feel guilty, i bought her a really nice necklace, hope it helps the guilt somewhat.

Thanks for taking the time to listen and advise guys, now that im back in the UK, there won't be much to report, but will stay active on the forums in case of anything coming up, and to share my views. and of course there will be more trips, plenty more i hope!

All things considered, this was probably the best way for things to work out. Little surprised about not accepting a gift.

As long as she's truthful, about her no longer having any type of expectations just friends with benefits.

Have fun back in the UK

[ Last edited by  flinger at 20-7-2010 01:11 ]

Sweet story, glad you had the experience.  

Quick question for you bro: have you ever had anywhere near as intimate a discussion with your fiancee?  Can you see it ever happening?  

I'm just glad you're not getting married until next year ... you seriously need to think about what it is you're looking for from a marriage.  

For my part, intimate sharing is waaaay up there.  Companionship counts for more than anything else in the end.

Thanks for sharing. Very interesting turn of events.
BTW, in Thai culture, there is a term "gik" or (geek). It basically means "a friend with benefits", i.e. you fool around with. However, in the order of things it is less than a "Mia Noi" or (lesser wife), which is basically a kept mistress in which there would be a financial obligation.
Oh, and Mia Noi is the impolite way to say it, so bros I would use that in front of the girl. I can't remember the polite term right now, but I think it has "Panraya" in it.

Thanks for posting the outcome, please remember this forum if there areany other developments. Are you going to mention your friend to your fiance?
If you are going to keep up the friendship ensure you have a very clear separation between the two; real life and mongering life

Best of luck

I know i havent mentioned her much, But it shouldnt be assumed that things arent great, i wouldnt be marrying her otherwise, To be perfectly blunt fidelity is overrated, and there are times (business trips, holiday etc) where a little casual stray happens. my fiancee is still wonderful in everyway, but when you left your steak at home, sometimes you've go to go grab a burger.

totally agree fidelity is overrated ... especially by women ... they just can't comprehend how a guy can love one woman and fuck another

hope I'm not coming across as judgemental in any way

just want you guys to get the best out of the commitment you make!