Subject: Apple now the Most Valuable Tech Company in the World
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Reply #20 geoduck's post

As much of an Anti-Apple person I am, I think the brand loyalty of Apple products are very much locked in.
Hardware-wise, their products are ALWAYS behind, and they always charge more.

So far, it's all about the look of the product, the user-friendliness of them, and how they market their products.

And lets not forget the social status that an Apple product bestows upon the owner..  

So it's not about another company making a better product... because better products are out there.
It's all about Apple maintaining their image, and people believing it.
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I think Apple products have created a craze that no other electronics product has matched on such a global scale.  From the ipod, to the iphone, to the ipad.  Every product has sold more quickly that the first.  1 million sales mark for the iphone in 74 days.  Now 1 million sales mark for the ipad in 28 days.  What could be next.
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for apple products....i only got their iphone....i think their stuffs are good....but the system is not open enough...like the mac.....still lots of softwares are not supported.
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Reply #23 shumanto's post

There is actually a lot of software available for Mac and I frequently use Windows OS with the Mac using the software VM Ware Fusion. The Mac in Windows mode is even faster than many of the PCs according to Benchmark tests published in leading computer magazines.
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Apple's computer OS is not open enough but their appeal is limitless.  Look at the app store for the iphone.  When apple decides to open up any of it's products to developers, it beats any other company.  Perhaps some day, they would figure out that this is a way to beat Windows if the Mac OS is also opened up.
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yes, there are better products than Macs and Windows is more open than OS X. So please stay away and let me buy them
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Reply #25 sex1's post

I've always used the mac OS and personally I prefer it to remain limited in it's appeal. If it were to be opened up and adopted widely, then it would have all the virus problems that the windows system has to deal with.
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Reply #27 atomic3d's post

I agree. Some viruses are already surfacing on Mac OS as more people are adopting it. Think as long as Mac computers remain at a price premium to Window OS computers the Mac will always remain too expensive for a big segment of the market. Let's hope it stays that way.
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Reply #28 geoduck's post

You will actually find some of Apple's entry level notebooks and iMacs are dropping in prices that are making people to think about their computer options. Its only when you add the extra options is when you go ouch in the pocket
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Apple is getting 70% margin for each ipad sold. Sure it can tolerate a slight increase in the wage increase from Foxconn.
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Reply #2 Kennichi's post

Actually heard from a friend last night that has dealt with Foxconn in the past, manufacturer for some of the Apple components.  The conditions for workers are appalling. Also told me that there were fights which had taken place amongst workers before and this had resulted in a death. The factory, located somewhere in Zhongshan is wholly owned by the Taiwanese.
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Apple Success = iPod. They would be fucked by now without it.
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Reply #32 Alcoanno's post

Yep, it's sure not Macs that keep them afloat these days!

I'm sure that the Mac business is profitable in it's own right, but Macintosh sales have been increasing over the past few years, which coincides with the rise of the iPod (then iPhone, now iPad).  No coincidence there, I think...
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This article is from today's SCMP (1st June, 2010) about Foxconn and recent spate of suicides. Foxconn is a major manufacturer for Apple iPhone and iPad. Didn't realize Foxconn was so profitable. Least they could do is look after their workforce a bit better.

"As the world's largest gadget maker, Foxconn's revenue of US$60.8 billion last year nearly equalled the combined sales of its top nine competitors in the world.

Its titanic force of 900,000 mainland workers helps forge Foxconn's dominance in the industry of contract electronics, but a spate of suicides has called into question the company's reliance on cheap labour.

he massive workforce under military-style management at Foxconn reflects the country's struggle to evolve from "early capitalism" marked by labour-intensive growth, said Hu Xingdou , a professor of economics at Beijing Institute of Technology.

"Foxconn's management style led to its business success, but the spate of suicides also shows such management is a failure," Hu said.

The company's evolution from humble start-up to the world's largest contract electronics maker is a tale with twin narratives - a story of meteoric growth and outsized influence in China, and in recent years, a harsh portrait of factory life.

Terry Gou founded Foxconn in 1974 in Taiwan with a few thousand dollars (either US$3,000 or US$7,500, depending on divergent company reports) and a belief "that the electronics products would be an integral part of everyday life in every office and in every home". And Foxconn became the company that offered capacity and price to lure the world's top companies, including Apple, Dell, HP and Sony.

Foxconn seized on China's move into the global economy, becoming the country's largest exporter and the unequivocal worldwide leader in electronics manufacturing. Until 2008, the firm's double-digit expansions drove growth in the industry, dubbed the "Foxconn effect" by analysts.

Foxconn's production costs are among the lowest of the industry's top 10 producers.

While many of its competitors struggled with deficits or plummeting profits last year, Foxconn increased its profits by 37 per cent, mostly through cost-cutting. From 2008 to last year, Hon Hai Precision Industry,Foxconn's anchor company, saw relatively flat revenues, but its net income grew from US$1.7 billion to US$2.4 billion, mostly by cutting the percentage of revenue devoted to the cost of goods from 91.38 per cent to 90.48 per cent.

The second-largest group, Singapore-based Flextronics International, saw a percentage of sales used for production of 95.36 per cent last year. Flextronics had revenues last year of about US$31 billion - roughly half of Foxconn's.

Migrant workers jostled to apply for work at Foxconn early last year, even when other factories in Shenzhen were cutting jobs or facing closure.

"Foxconn gave us confidence when other factories laid off workers in the financial crisis," said a 21-year-old Foxconn worker, who declined to be named. "Only Foxconn was hiring at that time and it attracted lots of applicants, including me," the assembly-line worker said.

The company employs roughly 900,000 people on the mainland, with about 425,000 working at two of its plants in Shenzhen, the site of 13 apparent suicide attempts since January, resulting in 10 deaths. Another worker, 19-year-old Rong Bo , jumped off a building and died on January 8 at a Foxconn plant in the northern city of Langfang in Hebei province.

Company officials and critics say its sheer size is a challenge to fostering a happy and productive work environment. "A team of 900,000 workers is very difficult to manage," Foxconn founder and chairman Guo said in response to the suicides.

Company spokesman Liu Kun said this month: "To be honest, as a company, Foxconn has taken on too much social responsibility. We are not only running a factory, but we also have to take care of the daily lives of more than 400,000 people."

Hu, the professor, said the labour-intensive growth model adopted by Foxconn and many other mainland factories must be abandoned to help the nation upgrade its industries and move up the value chain.

"Foxconn is very famous but it only makes products under others' brand names without independent technology," he said. "Such factories need only low-skilled and low- educated workers. The sheer size of their cheap labour force helps them succeed."

Electronics makers relying on labour-intensive production typically share just 5 per cent of the profit generated by the sale of their products, the professor said.

As the number of deaths has risen, Foxconn has stepped up its efforts to address the crisis, including adding thousands of psychiatric and recreational support staff, fencing off high-risk areas and stringing netting between buildings to catch people trying to jump. On Friday, company officials said it would increase the wages of mainland workers by an average of 20 per cent.

But Li Qiang, executive director of advocacy group China Labour Watch, says these measures do not address the biggest issues facing workers - an overwhelming workload and Foxconn's high-pressure, military-style environment.

"People are expected to act like machines for 12 hours a day," Li said. "The working environment is sterile; people don't talk to each other. It is especially difficult to change the culture because it is such a big company."

Foxconn workers in a computer assembly department recently told China Labour Watch: "We are extremely tired, with tremendous pressure. We finish one step every seven seconds, which requires us to concentrate and keep working and working. We work faster even than the machines. Every shift [10 hours], we finish 4,000 Dell computers, all the while standing up. We can accomplish these assignments through collective effort, but many of us feel worn out."

Li said: "If they want to be serious about improving conditions at the factory, they need to reduce the workloads of the employees. But that would cost them money."

Li acknowledged that the conditions at Foxconn's factories are as good, if not better, than many other mainland factories. But as the nation's largest exporter and the manufacturer of high-profile products such as the iPhone and iPad, the company has become a symbol of the larger struggle for factory workers' rights. Last year, a Foxconn employee committed suicide after being accused of stealing an iPhone prototype. He told friends and family that he had been beaten by the company's security staff.

In 2006, a British newspaper reported allegations of abusive employment practices at Foxconn. Apple launched an investigation and concluded that most of the accusations were unfounded, but revealed that Foxconn frequently violated the overtime guidelines in Apple's code of conduct, which limits normal work weeks to 60 hours and requires at least one day off each week. In its 2006 report, Apple wrote: "The supplier has enacted a policy change to enforce the weekly overtime limits set by our code of conduct."

The 60-hour, six-day work week limit has also been established by the Electronic Industry Citizenship Coalition, a group that counts among its members Apple, Dell, HP, Sony and Foxconn, which joined in 2008.

But history shows that the industry's efforts to monitor itself in this area have had limited results.

Four years on, it appears that Foxconn remains frequently out of compliance with Apple's code of conduct and its own overtime rules. Employees describe work days that far surpass overtime guidelines. Foxconn employees frequently reported only one day off every two weeks, until a policy was enacted this month enforcing the six-day workweek.

Apple, Dell, HP and Foxconn declined to comment on efforts to curb violations of the overtime limits.

Apple has made little headway on this front, according to its own audit of suppliers. At 60 of 102 facilities audited last year, Apple found records that indicated workers had exceeded weekly work-hour limits more than 50 per cent of the time. Similarly, at 65 facilities, more than half of the records reviewed indicated that workers had worked more than six consecutive days at least once per month.

These rates of non-compliance were virtually unchanged from a company audit in 2008.

In dealing with Foxconn, however, companies may have limited leverage to push for compliance, because there are few companies that have the capacity to handle high-volume orders, particularly in the handset industry.

"I think it would be difficult for companies to offload a lot of the business to other companies," said Pacific Crest Securities senior analyst Andy Hargreaves, who tracks the consumer electronics industry, including Apple and Dell. "Nobody else is at quite the same scale, or even close, as far as I know."

Improving working conditions could impact the bottom line as well, Hargreaves said. "Foxconn is in a position that if it had to increase wages to workers or improve the environment for workers, the cost will flow through. And these companies won't have any options to defer those costs."

In Shenzhen, Foxconn wields significant influence far beyond the boardroom. Besides employing hundreds of thousands of the city's residents, Foxconn contributes more than 10 billion yuan (HK$11.4 billion) to the city's tax revenue, mainland media report.

This month, a Reuters reporter was harassed by Foxconn security guards for taking photos of the factory exterior from a public street. Police intervened, but told the reporter of filing a report: "You're free to do what you want. But this is Foxconn and they have special status here. Please understand."

Hu, the professor, said large companies like Foxconn enjoyed favourable government treatment because they were the main contributors to local tax revenues.

Family members of one deceased Foxconn employee, Ma Xiangqian , say they have received little help from law enforcement. They said that Ma's body had suspicious injuries to the head and legs but police have denied access to autopsy reports and unedited security camera footage.

Foxconn declined to comment for this story."

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2 million IPAD sold in less than 2 months.

In a separate report announced just one hour ago, Apple  iPad says tablet sales top two million since April 3 launch. This is truly remarkable!
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Apple beware: World's first iPad lookalike goes on sale - China's iPed

•        iPad knock-off on sale in China's south
        •        iPed costs $124, a fifth of iPad price 
        •        Device runs Google's Android system
APPLE might have sold two million of its new iPad tablet computers in less than two months, but it has a Chinese challenger - the identical looking iPed.
Apple's iPad is not even on sale yet in China but the iPed can be bought in Shenzhen in the country's south for ¥9600 ($124), almost a fifth of the price of the new Apple gadget.

The world's first iPad lookalike runs on Google's Android operating system and is apparently powered by an Intel chip.

Pictures of the iPed, filmed by Japanese TV news and posted on YouTube, show the gadget being sold in a Shenzhen computer mall in packaging that even looks like an iPad box.

The change in vowel is seemingly the only major difference in appearance between the two computers.
A review of the iPed on tech website TECHi says "the iPed is exactly what you're thinking: a Chinese knock-off".

"The iPed is an Intel-driven, Android-based copycat packaged like an Apple product and, to be honest, it doesn't look half bad."

Last week, Apple and its contract electronics manufacturer Foxconn refused to confirm or deny rumours that the iPad was being made at Foxconn's massive Shenzhen factory, which had been hit by a spate of staff suicides.

Apple, now the largest US technology company by value, said yesterday it had sold two million iPads, outdoing even the iPhone on its launch.

Last Friday, the flat, 25 centimetre black tablet computer that Apple claimed would revolutionise the industry went on sale in Australia, Japan, Canada, Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Switzerland.

Demand in the United States was so strong that the company pushed back the global rollout.

It goes on sale in nine more countries in July, including Austria, Belgium, Ireland, Luxembourg and the Netherlands.

Last week, Apple dethroned software giant Microsoft as the largest US technology company in terms of market value.


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IT giant Foxconn raises Chinese wages

IT giant Foxconn raises Chinese wages
BENJAMIN YEH
June 7, 2010 - 5:24PM
               
AFP
Taiwanese IT giant Foxconn, hit by a series of worker suicides in China, said on Monday it would raise wages at its plants in the south Chinese city Shenzhen, a move observers said could trigger industry-wide pay rises.
Foxconn, which assembles products for US-based Apple, will increase the monthly salary for its assembly line workers in Shenzhen by nearly 70 per cent to 2000 yuan ($A353) from October 1, a spokeswoman said.
"The wage increase will reduce overtime work as a personal necessity for some employees and make it a personal choice for many workers," Foxconn said in a statement.

The announcement came after a series of suspected suicides at the firm's Shenzhen plants, which led to reports of long work hours under sweatshop-style conditions, setting off protests in Hong Kong and Taiwan.
Ten workers at the giant Foxconn facilities in Shenzhen have fallen to their deaths this year while an 11th worker died at another factory in northern China.
Yet another worker died late last month, with labour activists alleging that he had succumbed to exhaustion.
Foxconn, the world's biggest computer components maker which also makes products for Dell and Nokia, only last week hiked pay for its Chinese assembly line workers by 30 per cent with immediate effect.
This followed criticism that it salaries were too low for the price level in Shenzhen, giving its staff no choice but to work overtime.
"The pay raise will put pressure on other companies that are currently cashing in on the cheap labour of China. The era of cheap Chinese labour is over," said Mars Hsu, a Taipei-based analyst with Grand Cathay Securities.
He estimated the pay raise for workers may boost monthly production costs by two billion Taiwan dollars ($A73.08 million) for Hon Hai, Foxconn's mother company in Taiwan.
That would account for nearly one third of Hon Hai's profits, which totalled 17.9 billion Taiwan dollars in the three months to March.
Hon Hai Precision Industry Co plunged on the Taiwan Stock Exchange as news of the wage hike spread on Monday, ending down 5.62 per cent at 117.5 Taiwan dollars.
At one point in the morning trading, the company's stock price had fallen by its seven-per cent daily limit.
The firm's Hong Kong-listed shares were suspended ahead of the announcement and had fallen 5.5 per cent to 5.66 Hong Kong dollars in the morning.
Foxconn's 59-year-old founder Terry Gou, one of Taiwan's best-known entrepreneurs, said the wage rise was meant to "safeguard the dignity of workers".
"We recognise our responsibility as a global leader in electronics manufacturing, and take this responsibility very seriously," he said in the statement.
Foxconn said salaries at plants in other parts of China would be calculated based on local prices and social security requirements.
Apple chief executive Steve Jobs last week defended conditions at Foxconn, saying it was "not a sweatshop".
"You go in this place and it's a factory but, my gosh, they've got restaurants and movie theatres and hospitals and swimming pools. For a factory, it's pretty nice," Jobs told a conference in California.

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Reply #37 atomic3d's post

Well, it's about time they raised salaries....problem is, this may mean a price hike for punters as well with factory girls less willing to sell their bodies at KTVs and SNs.

Think it's a good thing for the workers and the US will tone down on the pressure to hike up the RMB. In the end, Americans may end up paying more for their new iPhone 4G if production costs are increased so significantly.

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Foxconn dumps suicide condolence payments

ELECTRONICS manufacturer Foxconn has dumped condolence payments to families of employees who kill themselves as it tries to stem a spate of factory suicides in China.
The decision is part of a series of initiatives including raising wages, offering counselling services and installing safety nets, an official said.
Ten employees have leapt to their deaths at Foxconn's compound in Shenzen in southern China so far this year, while another committed suicide at a facility in northern China.
Chinese media said the families of those who died received compensation of up to 100,000 yuan ($17,450), equivalent to about 10 years of work at the company.
Foxconn officials declined to confirm the amount of compensation, saying it was given on a case-by-case basis.
Observers have speculated that some of the workers may have killed themselves to trigger the payment to their relatives.
Foxconn, the world's biggest electronics contractor which makes products for companies such as Apple, Nokia and Dell, has been accused of overworking its staff after the suicides.
But company founder Terry Gou said none of the suicides was directly work-related and that he was cleared by Chinese authorities of any wrongdoing in the period up to the suicides.
The company announced earlier this week it would increase the monthly salary for its Shenzhen assembly line workers to 2000 yuan ($349) from October 1.
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Reply #19 DaBestHK's post

It seems like apple and google are the only Tech companies that can innovate and get noticed. Their products are great but at the end of the day the ideas are pretty basic. It's amazing that other companies like Dell and hp can't make the same mark as google and apple.  I would expect then that google and apple will continue with the new product lead.
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