Isn't that the typical Chinese thing?  Give them money therefore there are no attachments.  I was "seeing" a Shanghainese woman here close to NYC up in Connecticut.  She was a few years older than me, she worked as a waitress, divorced with a son.  Her son would stay with the grandparents because they were closer to his school and she rented a small apartment near her work.  We would go out to dinners (non Chinese) and I would show her what NYC had to offer in its culturally diverse atmosphere, then spend the night having great sex when it was permissible on my schedule.  The first time, I left the house early and left 200 bucks on the dresser, she called me up and cursed at me.  I said sorry, but I said it's not that I see you as a whore, but it's just some spending money because I really enjoy what we have.  So every time I stayed overnight I would drop 200 in the morning from there on out.  She got really clingy, it was trying to get into my "real life", she knew I was married because my wedding band is ALWAYS on.  Things got really messy and I had to play the "I paid you card", she was trying to tell her friends (some our mutual friends) that I had tricked her heart, but I just said, I paid you every time, I gave you 200 every time I stayed over and there is no way in the world that I tricked your heart.  Everyone agreed and she let it go and it was over.  Here is the MAIN lesson, If you want FWB, NSA?  pay the bitch!

This is my opinion and just my opinion--a WG is the same as a non WG after 6 months, just another hole (or two or three if your lucky) doesn't matter if she is a WG or OL or debutant, boring after six months anyway.

You just buy sex not love. just to be remembered..or you will regret it..

I think I'm the only one who has used "gold-digger" in that thread to describe the character of some WGs. In fact, it seems like my use of "gold-digger" was inappropriate for the message I wanted to convey. Please take it just as a mistake from an english learner.
When I advised to watch out for any sign of a "gold digger", I didn't mean to tell anybody to stay away from a girl who is looking for a ticket-meal. I don't blame any of them to look for financial security in their potential husband/boyfriend. My words were aiming at those girls whose intention is to take as much money they could from a guy untill they get enough and then give up their prey.
I don't know about China and Chinese WGs, but these unfortunate situations have happened to many punters who've made the decision to marry Thai WGs. And the situation could be far worse than only losing some amount of cash that one would recover soon enough. Some have lost quite a lot and were left almost pennyless and with a messed up mind.

I think people should not back off from a relationship with a WG only because she shows her need of a ticket meal. But when one sees that's the ONLY thing that motivates her in that relationship, that's a different story.
That's the reason, I said in my earlier post I'm not in the situation I could have this kind of relationship. Indeed, I don't have a good job, so I perfectly know I wouldn't be able to offer any financial security to one of these girls. If things change in the future, I could consider a relationship if I met a WG girl with who I click.

Yes, these girls are human beings and I don't look at them as inferiors to me or anybody else. Yes, they are good girls amongthem, but they're also the bad apples among them as with girls not involved in this business.

You bros have said good things about these girls (their honesty, integrity, their desire of a normal life etc...). I do agree many fall in your description. Yet many others don't fall in it. I'll consider only Thai WGs as they're the bulk of WGs I've interracted with. The more I look at Thai WG girls the more I wonder if the "normal" life they dream of is a life where they stay home doing nothing while their hard working foreigner husbands send/give them cash on a monthly basis. I'm more and more convinced that many of those girls are not looking for a way out where they could get more opportunities employment-wise.
Many of these girls who go in Europe to live with their foreigner husbands, quickly realise that the standard of living of their husbands is not the one they were expecting. Instead of being happy they have more employement opportunities and can make more money than in their prostitution job (even if they work at the minimum wage) they prefer leaving their husbands and going back to their home country doing their prostitution job untill they come accross that well off man who could provide for them and their whole family while they iddle at home (preferably in Thailand).
Bro Akka has related a good example of one of these girls who doesn't fit the description of honesty and integrity.

Cheers.

[ Last edited by  conqueror77 at 15-3-2010 04:16 ]

I agree totally with what you say in some aspects... the mind is a strange thing.. and People are a strange being.. at the end of the day it really depends on each individual and how they hold their own in certain situations..

myself.. I'm out there to have fun.. spending a couple nights with a WG you find your like is fine with me but there is a line that I draw...

A rule of thumb I find is if anyone is going to have a serious relationship with anyone (boy/girl, WG etc) never ask how many partners they've had because its usually the 'insecure' ones that end up doing damage to themselves and the other half..

if its going to the be the same for you after 6mths I guess its only the physical features thats relevant to you.. and that is what i'm after when I punt..

Have you ever seen the crop of guys who marry Thai WGs?

The mildest way to put it is that they are not great prizes either.

They are from the depths of an agrarian subsistence economy. Remember: the idea of economic opportunity (other than that embodied in white men or lottery tickets), or of significantly affecting your economic situation through hard work, is absolutely alien to Thailand.

The parallel to this is if you moved to Thailand and your wife complained that you say that you like Thailand, but you don't pray to the king.

Thailand looks like a "modern" country, but dig deeper, analyze how people really think and feel, and how society runs, and it is like National fucking Geographic.

The past 3 times I saw the WG, I still gave her the money to keep the relationship as customer and WG.  But the last few days in HK, she did call me quite often and cried telling me that she misses me.  Not sure if this is real or fake, but then I don't see it why she would spend so much time trying to fish a customer who is living on the other side of the world.  She did asked me to stay at her place when I return back in April and take me around.  And also at the same time asked me if I wanted to go back to her hometown with her for a few days as she said she never brought a bf back before.

I would be interested in determining how many of you guys who have developed ongoing relationships with WGs are in other relationships on the side.  I'm not single myself, so the prospect of a short / medium term relationship with a WG has never really come into consideration.  I could imagine however, if I were a single bloke, the idea of more companionship / company would appeal to me.

I'm single, so that's why it's easy for have the ongoing relationship I talked about. Even if I saw someone I know while I'm with her out in public, it would be easy to say she's a friend or someone I'm "dating," and I know no one would think twice about it. If I had a SO, I don't know if I would attempt something like that. The only thing I would do would be to revisit a WG/HG in her discreet hotel room or place of business.

So you think of her as a whore, pay her as a whore...
When she felt insecure about the relationship (thinking she's selling herself), you tell her she's not a whore, but someone special.....?

Then in the end, tell her she was "paid" (meaning she was a whore)?

Dood... that's just cold....   

Very wisely spoke, sir. I would find it next to impossible to live with the shadow of the many men that have fucked the woman in the past and I'm sure when there's an argument about something it would be hard to throw it in her face.
I have been through a couple of such relationships in the murky past and it was very tough.

I'm often finding it a bit tough accepting her as my gf as many men have fucked her.  But at the same time I'm with a relationship with a normal girl back in Canada...   So I guess we should all keep this as business after all.

this is interesting quote, u find it hard to accept her as gf because many men have fucked her? but have you yourself fucked many girls? i am not here to judge, but just this mere statement makes me wonder whether somebody's decision in her past before she met you have anything to do with you or whether its really none of your business? seems a bit hypocritical to me. also if you are deciding to be with someone, shouldnt the judgement to be with that person be based on the 'here and now' as opposed to the 'dwelling of the past?"

all i am saying is, her past decisions are not your territory, yet if you are to judge her by her past, then you prob shouldnt be with her. but not being able to overlook her past is your problem, not hers. and if she is looking to put that behind her, would it be beneficial to keep that in mind? and unless you are out to date 15/16 year olds, you prob aren't gonna find many that havent had a past with other men.

its altogether a different point if she were to continue being with other men while you are with her, this i can understand. but why can't bygone's be bygone's?

Another very well put point! I guess unconditional love is all about just loving someone for who they are now.
This is a very difficult subject and other factors come into it such as running into people from the past. I think its one thing to be introduced to an old boyfriend, but how do you react if as a couple you run into old clients? I can think of some assholes who might take great pleasure in saying something like 'hey, I had a great time with her and it was worth every cent'. Is that just being paranoid?
I agree that the past should remain in the past, but I'm not sure if we as human beings can always do that!

I also think there's a huge difference between getting into a relationship with a former WG who you feel is determined to give up this work and be faithful and having a relationship with a curent WG.
I went through such a relationship decades ago and the gal told me that her customers got fucking but I was the only man in her life at the time that she made love to. In her mind the difference was huge.

I also agree that we men are generally hypocrites. Why should I worry about how many men have slept with as gal that I like or love when I have slept with manyn hundreds of women in my own past? Somehow equality isn't quite here yet as far as society is concerned. We men are studs while the women are sluts!

[ Last edited by  Siklong69 at 17-3-2010 13:03 ]

Nope. I've never seen any of them. I've just read about their stories. But I think you've got a point

its true, things are always much more logical when its put down on paper. when dealing with human emotions, its never really as clear cut as they ought to be, and this is totally understandable. and i am not here to try to preach how one should or should not be in this situation, its merely my opinion and how i view the situation. i guess what i can say about it is this:

least from what i understand, the fellow met her originally as a client. thus, right from the get-go he knows her occupation. so if he is to be bothered by her past, why let the relationship evolve to such a point in the first place? keep it simple, keep it business and avoid all the headaches. its not like she is hiding it or is not being honest up front. i guess what i am trying to point out is the fact that its not the girl's fault for having a past, i think thats been established. but in fact, its a really selfish and irresponsible thing for a guy to establish a relationship with wg beyond provider/client and then turn around and say that they are sickened when they think of how many penis' have been inside her. isn't this just leading someone and then turning around and fucking with their emotions? its kind of like waving a cake in front of a fat kid then not letting them eat it. kind of cruel in my mind.

to address your point more directly, it depends what the foundation of the relationship is built on really. if its really one about love, then bygones should be bygones, even when that asshole comes up and states that she was worth every penny. so because of what, five minutes of bitterness is enough to turn away the weeks/months/years of sweet that you can possibly have with this wg? relationships aren't all about sweet, its about taking the bitterness that comes with it. and i think as guys considering venturing into this territory, should be honest with themselves and ask themselves if they can really man up to the task. if you can, then be the man through and through, because leading someone on really is just cruel cruel cruel.

final point, when you consider a wg in this profession, consider how jaded they might become to believe if love can even exist, especially for her. everyone comes in treats her like a piece of meat, and probably 50% of the guys she sees is married with supposed loved ones, yet still come out and snack when they can. so when she takes a liking to someone that probably likes them back in the beginning, she is filled with hope that this one is different, is special, and confides in him, and then he turns around and says "you've had too many cocks in you, i cant go on like this," its gotta be pretty devastating. the worst is not having given her body up to you, cuz what difference are you to the rest of the guys she's been with anyways....worst is having that trust she confided in you be broken.

One thing I said in a similar thread months back is that "normal" girls (i.e. girls who haven't worked in the biz) can have quite an extensive sexual history, too. Yes, you can argue that they weren't getting paid, but physically, what's the difference. There are plenty of non-WG girls out there that had their slutty years and may have done anything and everything under the sexual sun. Like WG's, these girls might not be "proud" of their slutty past and look to be with one and only one person eventually. Anyway, just to reiterate my point, what's the difference between a WG and non-WG who has had a lot sex in her life??? As long as she is safe, it's just a cock in the pussy (and/or ass and mouth) in the end. This is what we have evolved over thousands/millions of years to do to keep us going as a species! If two people are happy together and feel passion and love when they look into each others eyes, that's all that matters. Who cares what they did in the past.

When you want one thing, the pussy you do what you have to do.  When you have a family that you want kept intact, you do what you have to do.  When shit is agreed upon, and it is supposed to be NSA, you still have to buy insurance that there will be no strings after the fact.  I wasn't cold, I was just insuring myself and she broke her end of the bargain by getting too clingy.  I would never do that shit to my wife, hell if anything ever went wrong, I would beg for forgiveness on television if I had to (think Tiger Woods).  It's not like I loved the Shanghainese bitch, but if she wanted more, there was no way in the world I would have given it to her.  To play this game you have to be one cold SOB, all the while being warm to the real important people in your life such as your wife, kids, family and friends.  It's hella easy to sink ship, IF YOU LET yourself SINK. Me?  I'm a big fucking piece of Styrofoam, poke and prod all you want, I ain't going down unless of course it's my wife (AKA ACETONE) LOL...