What kind of question is this?

If she ok , then you pay and fuck.

So what;s the biggie if u can offer her money or not?

What ;s your point?

You seems to ask Rhetoric question !!! You know the answer yourself.

You got me confused. I thought my question was clear.
Here is not the only forum where this matter has been discussed, so I'm quite surprised you're the first to be puzzled by this question. The answer to my question is not obvious at all. Some people wouldn't do that offer on morals ground or for any other reasons, some would. At least, it's what they say. I wonder how many I've done it.

I repeat, the question is to know if it's appropriate to offer a civilian, money in exchange of sex. It's not about knowing what could be her answer to that offer.
Ok maybe I need to give you one example to make myself clearer.
Question: If you go to a Mac Donalds and see a female employee you think is hot. Could you ask her: "Excuse me Miss, but you're really pretty. I would like to have sex with. I'll give $800 HK for this. Is it OK with you ?"
If you couldn't/wouldn't do that: " Why ?"

Off course, I know this answer for me: "I wouldn't do it" and I make an exception. What I want to know is the view of others.
You may ask why I want to know this. The answer is: I want to broaden my mind by exchanging with others on topics that are not always possible to exchange with people I see on real life. The anomity of forums allows to deal with more issues. That's it.

But don't worry, I'll stop aking questions

Cheers

[ Last edited by  conqueror77 at 8-3-2010 19:26 ]

wow... interesting thread.

I think one thing you guys need to clear up here is: Do you have a prior friendship/acquaintance relationship with the girl, or is she a random girl off the street?
There's a big difference there.

if she knows you are not a 100% asshole/bastard beforehand then you have a better chance of being successful and of not offending her too much. Also, if she rejects, she may not be inclined to call the police!

On the other hand, if its a random stranger, then thats when it gets dangerous. Who knows if she's mentally unstable, or out to get you, or any number of schemes.

Personally, I wouldn't even go anywhere near a proposition like that. I would value the friendship too much, rather than risk it all for a quickie, which may or may not be even satisfying!

I thought you mentioned " from one source or another" and not to a gal who you dont know???

Btw, which idiot would ask for sex service from a gal working in McD ???
We only go to McD for Big Mac and such.
Offering $$ for sex to stranger, of course no!!!! At least not this part of the world.
Ever heard sexual harrassment?


You are deviating to what you are asking in Post #1, i.e. offering $$ to a gal "from one source or another" which I take you mean offering to a freelancer?/paid date? , no??

interesting how you structured the question - coz my answer is "no" - but maybe not for the reason you think ...

if I see a hot girl working at McD, I figure she's so heavily bought into the "you have to work hard for your money" values system she would probably run a mile from an offer of fast and easy money.  

Conversely, a hot girl hanging out in a park, obviously wasting her time yet dolled out and tricked up with big-ticket knick-knacks, would be a more obvious target.  

I'm curious: do you have any experience asking the question??

here's my experience, for whatever its worth.

on a recent mongering trip to North Point (Feb 9 to be exact), cant remember the girl's name but it was a B&S and i have mentioned it in the HK reports, i saw this pretty girl standing on the street corner in a costume giving out flyers for a spa... i approached, she gave me a flyer, i said hi, talked a bit, found out she was a university student trying to make some extra money, and i said it's such a waste of her beauty (she was very pretty) to stand on a street corner, and may i take her out to dinner etc etc...

she came over for dinner, i was staying in one of the Pacific Place hotels, we had dinner and drinks and just had a good chat, and i said i dont want her going out and standing on that corner, and asked her how much she was making, and i offered to give her the amount just so she dont need to stand there. she hesitated at first and i said just take it, no strings attached. so she did. of course we exchanged phone numbers and the next day i called her for dinner again, and she came and we had drinks, and a cigar at the Sheraton, and we both had a bit too much to drink and I asked her to stay over and she did.

Did something happen? yes. did i pay her for it? not directly. the next day i gave her HK$2000 as a going away present as I was flying out, but i've kept her number and we SMS a lot. so i will visit her next month when i come to HK again.

it's a long story, i didnt put all the details, just the important ones.

so i think it is possible for a civilian to accept money, but the % may be very low, not to mention the unwanted attention you will attract when she regrets you in a not so discreet manner.

Thanks for your reply. With your permission I will just explain futher the purpose of this question.

First, sorry, for this long post.

I have to precise I don't talk about freelancers here (who are occasionnal pro for me). I talk about girls who are not supposed to take money in exchange of sex (regular girls).

I must admit, you're right I deviated from my post #1 with my example in the last post.
My example with a Mc Donald's employee was devianting from my original question because I wanted to make myself clearer and took the firs example which came on my head. But I didn't realize that example didn't stick to the statement of my original post.
My question could have been general, that is, you know the girl "from one source or another or she's a total stranger". However, I limited the question with  "you know from one source or another" because I wanted to add that you know " she needs money". Indeed, you're more likely to know a girl is financially needy if you know her a bit than if she were a total stranger.
And I took the Mc Donald employee as an example because, though, she's a total stranger one might thinks she's cash needy and will be more willing to earn some extra-cash in exchange of sex due to her low wage. Yet, a low wage doesn't necessarily mean someone is cash needy (many people are satisfied with a little). So, again I just took the first example on my head, but still a bad one. Actually, my question includes any regular girl (but I guess, the more you know them the less it's likely one makes such offer).

Besides, I limited my question to a girl needy of cash because, I didn't think anyone would offer money for sex to a girl not needy of cash. But it was also irrelevant. So I reckon, I didn't really ask the best way I should have.

Anyway, all I wanted was to know if punters here who wouldnt do such an offer would refrain to do so on morals ground more than any other reasons (like legal consequences).
I'm just like the other bro above. I can't understand punters who think it's ok to fuck WGs because they're already in this business but it's not ok to offer money to a regular girl because it might get her in the business. Moreover those punters are often moralists (from what I've read so far) who show contempt and despise to ohters who would offer a civilian sex for money. It seems (from the replies) that it's not the spirit of the bros in this forum. I might say, I'm just glad to read different point of views.

Sex harassment ?
Yes, I know of sex harassment. It's not my concern.  As I said, I wouldn't make such an offer except if a girl I fancy came to me asking me to lend/or give her a certain amount of money. I should add "and if she insists afer I've refused to lend/give her the money, I would make such an offer".
I don't even know if a one-off sex proposal outside workplace has ever been condemned by French law courts on sex harassment ground.

Cheers.

[ Last edited by  conqueror77 at 9-3-2010 23:35 ]

No, I don't have any experience on that. I would be glad if I could go to any girl I fancy and just offer her sex for money without her being offended and without risking anything else than an negative answer. But that's just a dream.

I see some very hot chicks with bitchy looks on facebook wearing sexy outfits, suggestive postures, with underwears or sexy bikinis with huge boobs and hot bodies on their profile pictures.
I'm not sure if it's their own pictures or just pictures they stole from internet. Yesterday, I asked myself if they could be some pros or occasionals out there (facebook). It would be tempting to send some messages trying to chat up and suss out if they're WGs. If not possible to find out, beeing direct and offer money for sex. But, I know it's a very bad idea in case they're not pros or occasional, because in case it turns bad the writings would be a proof against its author. But damn tempting.

[ Last edited by  conqueror77 at 10-3-2010 00:57 ]

i am a little bit confused by what you are actually trying to get at with this question, but from what i can make out of it, i will try to give a bit of input.

could you offer a regular civilian money in exchange for sex? yes of course. you can offer whatever you like for whatever you want in return till the cows come home, but whether she will accept or be offended is another story which cannot be easily answered here as every case will be different. at best she will agree, at worst you will probably get slapped. its also a very hard judgement call to discern whether a total stranger is cash-needy just by their occupation or general attire.

having said that, if your question delves more deeply into the territory of morality, then everyone's take will also vary. if you already know this person and are aware that she is cash-needy and are looking to take advantage of the situation in order to get something out of it, then you are, simply stated, looking to exploit her for your own benefits. now, is exploitation a moral gesture? well, again its a difficult one to answer. majority of the fellows on this board will look at it as being ok, since mongering is by definition a kind of exploitation. on the strictest level, one could argue that it is fair, since we pay money in exchange for a service, even though it is sexual. however, that does not eliminate the fact that sex for money is a kind of exploitation.

to answer your question more directly, for me it would be a big no to a regular civilian, for the reasons stated above. i have been culprit to mongering thus have partaken in this kind of exploitation myself, dont get me wrong. but it has always been in the territory where both parties understand the engagement. to bring this into the civilian world, whether knowing the person or not, is a whole other story. at least in my mind, to discern that another person is in need of money and then asking them to perform acts which they under normal circumstances would not perform, is defined as taking advantage of the situation and ultimately exploitation...to me which is a no no.

so long winded answer, everyone's morality is at different places and you will only get varied answers to this open-ended question.

Thanks for this insightful answer.

I asked this question only out of curiosity. I had nothing special on my mind but to know the point of views of others on that issue. It seems that it wasn't a stupid idea to ask this question. Unfortunately, it's too late...the thread is here.  I think it'd be a good thing that a mod close it know. Cheers, for your input.

are any of you married?  Ever time I talk to my wife, I feel like I am paying for sex!  The sad part is we don't have that much sex anymore but I still pay!

that is funny pandaboy.

i like this better (wam bam thank you mam).
no problems, no extra money, no nagging, no prenuptial agreements.

oh ya. i got a girlfriend, and its staying that way!. haha

I think there IS a major difference between the guy who uses the WG and the other guy who actually bring her into the dark underworld.

I would dare to say that the guy who just uses is more harmless.

Take this example of say, blood diamonds:
Person A: the end purchaser is a dude in love with a chick and wants to make her happy
Person B: the manager/enforcer of the african diamond mine that recruits kids, abuses them in his camp, etc, etc.
Both A and B are contributing to the big problem of diamonds for blood.
But, can you honestly say that Person B is at the same "level" as Person A ???

No.... I didn't think so.

A person who actively and knowingly recruits people into the "bad" world of prostitution is surely different from a regular high-strung, works-too-many-hours, can't-find-a-decent-gf, nice guy who just needs to get his rocks off once in a while, don't you think??

I guess its sounds like I'm describing a pimp versus a monger........

It's interesting that you and many others see the line between WG and civilian as such a bright line.  In my experience, the line is more a continuum of different arrangements, ranging from trophy wife to streetwalker.  All of these can be construed as some form of relationship in which sex (and perhaps other services) are exchanged for money (and perhap other benefits).  The big differences are the term of the contract, the extent to which service is clearly exchanged for cash, and the degree to which similar terms are available more broadly to other men.

I've had arrangements with "civilians" in which we would get together and have fun and screw our brains out on a regular basis in return for a monthly stipend.  In most cases, it was not the lady's first such arrangement.  But in at least one case, I was her first.  In that case, she was already flirting with the idea when we first started corresponding.  So I didn't exactly make the overture on a totally-unprompted basis.  But I would have no problem making such an overture if I met someone whom I thought might possibly be open to such an arrangement.

And no, I do not see this as sending anyone off the deep end into the dark world of prostitution.  There is a huge difference between a regular gig with a man she enjoys for a fee that is not directly connected to the number of hours she spends with him or the number of times he pops and a straight sex-for-money deal with any guy who can pay the fee.

Have fun, CGP

when broken down, this topic is actually a lot deeper than it would initially seem. i'd like to comment on bonkers' comment above first. i would argue that whether you are the pimp that brings the girl into prostitution or the end consumer mongerer, both are equally culprit to the fact of exploiting the girl. you can look at it this way, without the mongerer, there would be no pimp. so the presence of the pimp ultimately is just a middleman that supposedly ensures safety of the girl in such line of work. of course pimps have a reputation for violence and such, but strictly speaking without demand there would be no supply. so then the question is, aren't those that demand it equally at fault as those that supply it?

and to respond to cali's note above, i dont think my intention was to draw a clear cut line between wg's and civilians so much as to say that its not possible with civilians. what you are describing as a sugar-daddy relationship definitely exists. of course through such arrangement, as with wg's, both sides benefit by getting what they want/need at the end of the day. but again, depending on one's moral stance on the issue, this can be classified, nonetheless, as being an exploitative arrangement, perhaps equally exploitative by both parties. which is fine and dandy i guess since its a mutual arrangement. but there is fine line. and that fine line lies where one arranges with a civilian, because of their cash-strapped situation, to coerce them into performing tasks where they otherwise would not, for the sake of cash.

there is NO comparison between the A and B above, because the core distinction is CHOICE.  

A pimp who facilitates a girl to meet guys and make money she needs, exchanging services she is willing to provide, is doing a useful service - not just for the punter to meet the girl but also for the girl to meet the punter.  Very different from a pimp who uses coercion (with or without violence) to manipulate her to do something she hates to do but will do out of fear or vulnerability.

When all three parties are making a free choice, they are all equal.

tried it once in macau, it worked well, hot blondie...woah nelly

wow asking a civi girl to exchange sex for money is a whole other kind of world. sure i have seen hot girls in public and wish they were escorts, but to assume they are escorts and ask them to exchange money for sex is a no no.

I think it's smoother if you reference the whole Sugar Daddy notion.  Just be very upfront, but in a diplomatic way (is that a contradiction?   ).  Tell her that, while your ages or whatever would keep you from being a LT thing, you really like her, feel compelled to look out for her, etc.   You'd like to be her date for a while and show her [fill in the blank] help her [tuition, rent, etc.] be a guide for her in life AND love, until she meets Mr. Right.  Talk about how much you enjoy her spirit and view of the world.  How being physically close to her gives you a thrill you'd thought you'd lost, etc.

Like that you frame like a mutual admiration society, something everyone can sign on for.

But even some professionals will trick you into thinking there is something more. That's why many people sunk ship with the Thai models in D1.