^^I hope you got some rewards from that spending spree  

Thanks for your advice about the spending.  

I have partied all over TST, LKF, and Wanchai over the years.  I am willing to spend but in a careful manner.  I have in the past just refused to pay for some drinks, door fees, taxi fees, shopping, etc if I feel they are gaming me.  Pissed off many girls at that moment of refusal, but ironically got respect from those girls as someone who cannot be shamed or embarrassed into paying for something that is beyond the norms of ordinary friendship.

As you know, ppl in Asia hate losing face.  Some girls take advantage of that.  Try to force a situation whereby the guy would look 'cheap' if he didnt buy the drinks, pay for the club entrance fees, pay for their taxi ride (but I am not going with them), etc.  But really what is worse - looking
'cheap' for not buying some bitch's drink (usually chooses the most expensive in the menu) or looking like a 'poor sucker' for buying a drink for a bitch who doesn't say thanks and walks away with drink in hand?  

Let me tell you, I don't want to be known as tht 'poor sucker' as it seems the girls in bar/club seem to tell each other who is the poor sucker and go right away to get a drink.

So compared to what I have seen in those places, taking some strange girls for coffee and a possibly a meal to have a nice,relaxing conversation is not such a big deal to me.


PS: I myself experienced alot and heard many stories from buds about the gaming of goodies from girls here.  Don't get me wrong, I am not the type who has to have an endgame/plan/goal before spending a cent, I am more of the type who just wants to be in the company of nice people to enjoy relaxing conversations.

Great, I am glad you know what to do and don't get used. You are like me, many times I just want some female companionship.  Please report back if you do go out with those girls.  If you have any extras give me their numbers. A pictures will help too.      I'm still single and lonely.......

[ Last edited by  Weelock at 20-2-2010 01:17 ]

I wasn't really talking about being gamed.

I'm just saying that this is how society raises some girls, especially those on the higher end of the social scale.

In Manila, the richest person pays, irrespective.  It's expected and that's just the way it is.  If you don't, well, let's say you won't get many dates.

Then why the hell do you want to hang out with hookers? Lots of ways to make regular friends, in HK or anywhere in the world.

I actually I wasn't referring to your post.  

Considering Asia is a male-chauvinist society, I know that at times ppl in all levels of the social scale expect the guys to behave a certain way.   Even though the guy will spend a lot of money, he still has to sometimes stand his ground and be pissed off if the women push him too hard for something or annoy him in some way to retain the respect of those in society.  Not every rich kid/guy gets the chicks, just the ones who are not pushovers and have a fun personality.

What you did in Macau, I have done a few times in HK, not to such a high spending level, nonetheless the same.  It can be fun to be entertaining a few chicks together at a nice bar/restaurant.  Nothing ever happens in the end.     But there are some collateral benefits, going out with a few hotties does nothing but enhance my social/public persona should anyone see me out with these girls.  Get better service from staff, jealous looks from guys, envious looks from other cute/hot girls in the vicinity.  Plus, if the girls had a good time, they may introduce me to other girls (who are probaly more down to earth) at a future social event / function.  

Now would you do the same with a pork chop in macau and invite a few of her pork chop friends to join you?  

I'm not really getting your point.

But, personally I don't think getting pissed off at girls makes the situation better.  Better to just avoid the situation if you believe the girls are taking advantage of you in ways you don't appreciate, that or find a way to excuse yourself, that's easy enough.  I would probably just pay to avoid a big scene, but I'd never go out with that girl again.

I would say in Asia, the rich kids always get the best chicks.  That's reality lol.

Not sure what you are talking about with going out with pork chops, but I don't see anything wrong with going out with some less attractive friends.  As you said, it's just conversation, and frankly, the conversation you get with the pork chops may be more interesting than with the hot girls.

One cannot assume all the friends of a sauna girl are all hookers.  Some may be, but some may be just ordinary non-sex workers.  

HK is a small place and if you interact with the locals more often, I think you will be surprised by the friends some ppl have.  I have met respectable office equipment salespeople whose friends were triad or cops whose best buddies are triad, etc.  Generally these ppl were friends as kids before they took divergent societal paths to a career.  Or normal professionals (lawyers, accountants, etc) who have friends who don't mind being mistresses to an older, rich guy.  

In HK, you have to keep an open mind and have personal self-discipline not to stray because so much of the lines between what is considered good and what is considered bad is so blurred.

Triad connections go much, much higher up than "office equipment salespeople."

I completely disagree with your point, and I think you have things backwards. The socioeconomic boundaries are much more rigid in HK than in Australia (where I think you said you're from?). They may not be drawn exactly the same way in HK (for example, a gangster is not automatically low-class in HK), but they are much more rigid.

A hooker's friends may not be hookers, but are the socioeconomic equals of a hooker.

Maybe a good qualifier here would be, "friends that a hooker would typically hang out with are generally hookers or similiar strata"

Some of my old friends in Hong Kong have become all sorts of people in society, but the ones you would tend to go and have drinks with, would typically be close to your own standing.  Exceptions would be if you live on opposite sides of the world, or that both your standings are so high that you don't count them anymore.

I don't quite agree with your assessment of HK's socioeconomic boundaries as social respect is easily attained here.  All it takes is to accumulate alot of money, then donate some to charity.  That is all.  One's dodgy background does not hold one back here as much it would in other countries.   Of course that dodgy background works against should these ppl try to emigrate to N.America/Australia, etc or try to do business deals with American companies.  But here in HK, they are kings n queens.  

Anyway we are diverging away from the topic.  I will probaly go ahead and meet some of these girls because I am extremely curious by nature.  It was curiosity years ago that made me go on some risky pedicab ride alone in the middle of the night in Saigon.  From that ride, I discovered the dodgy night life of Asia and it has been no going back.  I just expect some conversation and a meal, not going to get kidnapped and my organs sold in China.  

Hey Doghead, if you ever decide to go out with this girl for a couple times, you should definitely report.  We will all be looking forward to hearing how this episode went.

I think this post of yours pretty much exposes you as having NO UNDERSTANDING of Hong Kong society.

This is reflective of lower class society thinking, that money can buy you social standing in Hong Kong.  Money can buy you many things, but this is not one of them.

This is like saying that Sheldon Adelson has the same social respect in the USA as the Kennedys.  Do your research.

First thanks for your self-restraint.  

I actually know alot of HK society but I made the mistake in my previous posts of over-simplifying some of the aspects of HK society.

I have to watch myself in this forum as it is too easy to get carried away with all these posting of some personal observations which I have found gets too easily mis-interpreted within the limitations of using the internet to communicate.  Sorry about that and for using a sex-forum to get into debates about local politics/culture.   

Plus I deliberately 'tie one hand behind my back' and write in a simplified and constrained manner so as not to give away any clues as to who I may be as there got to be at least one or two members here that I may have met before and do not want them to know I am in this forum.  So it is difficult for me to debate a point if I am unwilling to give some personal examples.  It does kind of makes me sound a bit paranoid on my part, but HK is quite a small place.

So lets get back on topic that is relevant to this forum.  

I may still follow through to meet some of these girls.  One massage girl definitely wanted to introduce me to her friends so I can take them out - so that one I won't think about doing.  The second one wanted to introduce her neighbor who she thought is a nice girl who works in the cosmetic industry - this one I will check out.  

Guys, don't expect a report so soon as I have to figure out my schedule for the next few weeks first.  So please be patient.

Your explanation doesn't make sense, but yes, it's a little off topic so i'll just let it go.

Realistically speaking though, given where a WG might be living, her neighbor would probably be at the same socio-economic background, so the chance that you will end up paying for everything is, oh about 101%.  This may not matter, as most guys don't care about this.

You have to think about what you're saying though, because the scenarios are like this:

1) Her friends are actually working girls

At least you know that at the end of the night, they are up for some action if you are so inclined.  You're gonna pay for the date expenses anyways.

2) Her friends are not working girls

You have no guarantee of any action.  You're gonna pay for the date expenses anyways as well.  If something does occur between you, I'm not sure how you will ever be able to adequate explain how you met.

Given the scenarios above, if her friends are NOT working girls, you are better off in LKF or Starbucks, and just picking up any randomly cute girl you see.  You may be correct in thinking her friends are not WGs, but do you truly wish them not to be?

Thanks for the clarity.  Very true in both points.

Brother I agree with you. Why waste your time on many "unknown factors"?
Just pick up a decent looking chick at starbucks or at central.
The risk are about the same, or maybe even less.

At least you can assume she has a clear and clean background.

I would never want to hang out with a SG, HG or WG's friend. Business is business.
Got to separate things.