You visit WGs to talk? Doesn't always happen, but when it does, just kicks the session up a notch

Thats a new one I haven't heard before

I've read all the replies and some I find quite interesting.  For Marsupial, I wasn't trying to prove anything with my post; my post is only a single data point in a sea of infinite number of data points, and one draws whatever conclusions one wishes to draw from that post.  All the statements I made are as true and real as I could make it.  

For the posts by HeMan, the one about the WG being offered $5,000 (RMB?  meaning close to HKD 6,000) for private visits 3 times a week is good info on what the market is offering.  From the WG's point of view, that's probably not all that good a deal.  The one I dealt with got an initial down payment of about $50,000, and monthly stipend of $20,000 but she had to move in with the sponsor.  Life ain't all that grand according to her.  Weekdays he's at work, evenings spent at home with dinner, TV, sex at night...weekends mostly stay at home, watch TV, play games on computer, maybe go try out different ethnic SE Asian restaurants.  She wants funds to buy a home in her village in Guangdong Province, but the provider ain't all that keen to fund that, and he's beginning to complain that she views him as an ATM machine, plus any serious discussion generally downgrades to being about money.  I guess, seriously, what else can one really talk about.  Their backgrounds are so different.

She doesn't know how long this can last.

Also about HeMan's comment that one can have interesting discussions with WG's on topics that you couldn't possible have with other non-WG types, I find that absolutely true.  And I can talk about things that are not related to just the sex industry.  I talk about issues I have with my brother who's dying of cancer and how he is dealing with this, and they give me their opinion, and I know that what I say will never come back to haunt me.  They are all interested in my past marriage and how/why it broke down.

As to me being 67 yo walking around the streets with a 30 yo, I could care less what others think.  Even if I run into someone I know, and risk of that being very low, I'm divorced and now single, so it's my right to go out with whomever I wish.  Plus I can always introduce her as my daughter or maybe even granddaughter if there's an even younger one involved.

In Bangkok, where I go once a month, my favourite MP is Caesar's Entertainment, and the girl who serves me best is number 30, a Sideline girl, who sits outside of glass enclosed fish bowl.  She's all of 24 yo.  For those of you who want to try out Caesar's, you can ask for the captain Mr. A, and tell me that his best customer from Hong Kong recommended him to you.  Regular fish bowl girls cost baht 2,100 (about HK$470) per 1.5 hour session all in, plus usually a tip of baht 500, and baht 100 to Mr. A.  Sideline girls are baht 3,000.  Caesar's is very convenient because it's just next to subway MRT Huay Kwang station, exit no. 2.  Other than Caesar's, the one I go to is Chaophraya 2 on Sri Ayuthaya road, where the regular girls tend to be older, even up to 50+ yo, and they provide a service more in line with my age.  Cost there is baht 1700 for regular, baht 1,900 for bodyslide mattress massages, and 2,100 for sideline girls.  If you are gwailo or farang in Thai, meaning westerner, Caesar's tacks on an extra 1,000 baht because the girls demand it.  Chaophraya 2 does not add on extra charges.

Well, that's it.  One more post, or karma point, and I'm up to 50, meaning RA 20.

[ Last edited by  tangoll at 15-6-2009 17:05 ]

story after story, the endings are very similar...the girls are good to talk to if you want...but at the end of it, money is the main point...

i think for all of the stories from the brothers, the conclusion that i reach is that having a girl friend or second wife does not make sense any way you cut it...you are not going ot be with them 100% of the time...and they will find a way to screw around if they want...

that is why pay to play is so much easier...

here is something i wan to share w bro's here who's thinking of married a WG..(Private Dancer
By Stephen Leather)


http://books.google.com.sg/books ... &resnum=5#PPA14,M1

do they really stick the big "W" with them? my gf and she a temporary wg told me that she is doing this temporarily becuase of being sacked due to the recession... she never asked me for money even if going out for dinner, sometimes she pays for the dinner too! i dont know really! but i gave her somehow a benefit of the doubt... since im single right now, i could still explore what shes really all about. afterall, i know that if she keeps on accepting good pays from customers, may be she might get into it too much that they may not get out of this business! but once in a while, i would go to her place and spend the whole night with her and she would obligue and would not accept any customer then we would leave the place together... she tries not to accept my money when she still have enough the money to support herself! so does that mean that she tries to make money out of me? i am not even rich as i explained to her that im only starting out my career in hong kong, but she insists that shes not after my money or what and she told me that she just really loves me for being what i am and being kind to her and all this other staff that i used to treat her...

ill let the bros here be the judge...

It sounds serious bro. You sure you wanna be so open about this here in this forum? You are only going to get the same type of answers. Just about everyone will be telling you that its not to get involved in a WG. What kind of answer do you expect from punters?


And tangoll's tale should tell you something. You can't paint the same brush on every WG. But canyou stomach the chance that your temporary wg/gf may or may not be doing something on the side next time?


Don't expect to get the right answer from the forum. This is real life you are talking about, not the fantasy world of punters/wgs/sex.  Talk more about this to her, not here.

Thanks to advancivic5050, I took a look at that google preview of Stephen Leather's book "Private Dancer".  If that is a real excerpt from the book, I'm glad I didn't use my money buying his stuff.  The writing I find very pedantic and frankly boring to read.  When I compare Leather's writing with the writings of other authors like Frederick Forsyth (Day of the Jackal, Dogs of War, Ipcress File, and a host of others) or Stephen Ambrose (Band of Brothers, To America - Personal Reflections), there is no comparison.  If Forsyth and Ambrose are major league, Leather isn't even minor league; he's barely past grade school.

I'm a published author (one book only about public speaking, presentations, writing, business analysis, etc), and I've lectured to schools and universities here and in Japan and to law firms about writing for effect, public speaking and presentations, and so I do know what's involved in authoring and getting a book published.  If I had presented anything like Leather's writing to my editor, she wouldn't read more than a paragraph or 2 before throwing the manuscript back to me and telling me not to waste her time.

Some of the writing here in this forum is better than that stuff from Leather.

i simply know that ill have to pay for this stupid things that im going in to but im not using up all my heart in this... im also using my brain! im still exploring and even though the bros here would give the same answer, i would probably get the answer myself and at the same time, ill be careful! I used to tell her my insights about wg and shes out there to prove something to me too and ill see if she relly means it... then it would be another story...

I can't quite visualise the author's writing style as "pedantic". Maybe "pedestrian", "ordinary", "average"?

In any case, the purpose behind the link was the subject matter, which was pertinent to this thread. I doubt Bro A was submitting this work for critical analysis of the author's writing style, this is not a "Book Club" forum.

Personally I can see why it has been published ..... it's titillating, sensationalistic, and looks to contain elements of soft porn. I suspect books like this would be submitted to a very different style of publisher than you have dealt with.

Not all do..

you are lucky u got a good WG-g/f who doesn't care about money.. (yet?)
i have met many WGs in China, they want this they want that..
always wanting to stay in 5-star hotels, eat at expensive steak house, want presents like LV bags, etc..

but i have also met this WG who just wants to go swimming and trekking with me..
i know it sounds unbelievable..  but outings with her usually costs less than RMB50 a day..
although all i want is to screw her... all she wants is to talk... and to have a listening ear.
when i first met her, she said she was in debt.. like all the others..
later, she told me, it was a lie... like all the others...
she got into this profession for easy money.
her previous job as a waitress only earned RMB 1,000 monthly.
after working as a WG, she earned 10,000 - 15,000 a month..
it's hard to stop.. although she's trying.
as a WG, she's used to spending 80% of her money on herself and her b/fs..
it's such a cruel irony..
we pay $$$ to fuck these WGs.
and these WGs let their childhood b/fs fuck for free and use our $$$ to feed them..

i still meet this WG on a weekly basis...
usually just dinner and chit-chat.. and the occasional sex when we drank too much.
i never give her any money.. because she will not accept it anyway.
it's a cherished friendship, because i can tell her things that i can't tell my wife..
and she can tell me things she can't let her b/f know..

so i can really honestly say... "Not all WGs only care about $$$"
although.. 90% of WGs only care abt money...

yes, so don't refer them as your g/f, or let them refer you as their b/f..
sooner or later, real feelings will sink in.... Titanic will sink too..

best is to just be social friends.. friends who fuck each other for fun.. with no money involved..
it's almost like fucking your colleague...
she can have a real b/f.. and you can have your real wife..
most scenario only revolves around 3 person... WG, Punter and Wife.
this kind of scenario always end in disaster..
but if there are 4 people.. WG, WG's b/f, Punter and Wife..
this is the kind of "happily ever after" scenario...

thats what i want to prove! not all stick "W" with them... they are only doing this out of poverty!!! at least they dont do bad things like robbery, killings or other things that bad people would do...

You are 67 and she is 30's... seriously, what can u imagine she wants from u?

Lgirl, what kind of a dumbass question is that?  The subject of this whole thread is about what a WG or ex-WG wants from relationships with a customer, sponsor, privatizer, mongerer, or the leng jai's of this forum.  The point of all this discussion is that the WG basically wants hard cold cash from us, and that none of us should delude ourselves into thinking that the WG wants or gives love, companionship, a future, even a GFE with anyone who comes to them as a customer, whether he be 67 yo, big, fat, ugly, hairy, short, tall, physically handicapped or disabled, or Adonis like, or resembles Andy Lau or Tony Leung.

Anything else is a figment of your, or our, imagination and/or delusion.

If you Lgirl are really a girl, and you go to one of these WG's looking for lesbo love, bring cash and a dose of reality.

There are ideas that are so counter-intuitive, so non-commonsensical, that just a bit of rational thought should suffice to convince anyone that they can't possibly be true. Recently a guy in the International section wrote that 4 out of 5 Taiwanese women have yeast infections - which would mean that all adult women in Taiwan suffer all the time from this ailment. Another favorite of mine from this site are the guys who believe that beautiful Japanese WGs love to come to HK to sell themselves for 1/4 of what they make back home.

Now, I don't have to do a med-exam of all the women in Taiwan, or check the passports of every so-called JGal in the Gal'DB, to know that something's wrong with those claims. A guy comes up to you on the street and wants to sell you a Krugerrand for $50, you don't have to run to a coin shop to know he's bullshitting you. You see what I'm trying to get at here?

That's why it never ceases to amaze me to hear otherwise intelligent guys claim to know that all any WG ever wants from life is to open her legs to some stranger for money - as if these girls all go to bed at night dreaming of a future walking the streets as 50 yr-olds.

This idea that WGs never give up being WGs is just a wee bit stupid don't you think? Why on earth would anyone choose to think that none of these girls wants the same kind of loving relationship and family life that any other woman wants? Aren't those desires genetically hard-wired into all women?

Ask yourself just who are these guys complaining that some whore took them for a ride. What kind of relationships are we really talking about here? Would you expect a normal girl to love a guy who looks like an anal wart and/or is 40 yrs her senior? No? Then why expect a WG to do what a non-pro wouldn't? I get the impression you all think of yourselves as noble White Knights, waving your holy passports, come down to rescue a poor debased 3rd-world chick from a life of misery, and when it turns out she doesn't love your sorry ass - how ungrateful of the little bitch!

A young, good-looking, decent, faithful guy would have NO problem convincing a WG to give up the sex trade for him. Unfortunately, those aren't the kinds of offers these girls get.

The monger and the WG form one ecosystem, each influencing the other. You want to know why some of these girls do what they do, look in a mirror.

[ Last edited by  Marsupial at 31-10-2009 21:21 ]

to summarise up, there's no linear WG characteristics...

poverty doesn't determine how a WG should or will behave.
it just boils down to how, where & when the WG meets the man.
different situation produces different results and ending...

another true story to tell...

9 years ago, i introduce this virgin buddy of mine to the world of punting.
His first night with a Bali WG gave him Chlamydia..
he became paranoid and stayed off WGs for 2 yrs.

then i brought him to a KTV in Singapore.
his this 2nd enounter with a WG made him sink like Titanic...
it was really catastrophic..
he lost his job, his family treated him as an outcast..
that Thai WG really sucked him dry... physically, emotionally & financially!
that ass still owes me alot of money!!!

again he swore he will never touch a WG again...

well...
in 2005, he met a Korean WG in Sydney.
she turned from a WG to FB to currently his wife.
happily married for 4 years with twins daughter.

he is a perfect example of "Anything is possible with WGs..."




btw, sidetrack abit...
my buddy's wife isn't Korean..
a PRC from Jilin.. but could speak perfect Korean.
and she had countless abortions, but still managed to give birth to a lovely pair of healthy twins.

I totally agree. Life is too short ... if you are still up to bedding a 30 yo, 20 yo, or whatever, keep doing it because there will be a time when you may not be up to it, or be 6 feet under. I recently heard Brian Eno speaking and at one point he said something that will be my inspiration for a while - "I am still alive, but I'm running out of time".  Eno is  61 years old.

Not to the point!   Nobody gives a shit about the company he keeps. He could spend the rest of his life fucking woodchucks for all I care.

What I mind are these endless:

"I guess it's, "once a WG, difficult to drop the 'W' from the girl, and always a WG when $ comes first..."

dumbass, mean-spirited threads from people who should know better.

Oh student, check out this bit of forum history - the mother of all threads on this 'never trust a whore' nonsense that so many of you just can't find it in your narrow little hearts to abandon.

http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/v ... amp;extra=page%3D30

In the above thread, Jake and I really go at each other; and along the way I get to piss on sexpert which is always fun.

In post #28 of that thread, I describe a guy who made a successful marriage with a Taiwanese WG - but he was the kind of guy any girl would want to marry - not some doddering whoreboy window shopping for a BJ artiste to enliven his sunset years.

And in post #30 of the same thread, eddielee describes another successful marriage to a WG.

You know, you guys really should try to deal with this issue - it doesn't reflect well on you at all.

Marsupial, in that post you referred to, you said "It's arrogant, irresponsible and ignorant to think that any of us here are qualified or wise enough to offer advice to a perfect stranger on who he should or shouldn't love. I would hesitate to council my best friend on marriage, and this is a guy who has written 30-40 words in an anonymous forum. I cringe at the idea that this guy might go out and act on the advice he receives here."

You are absolutely right.  People here can say anything they want behind this wall of anonymity.  And we can be whomever our imagination wants us to be.  So why get upset over anything that is said here.  Take whatever -- advice, wisdom, vituperative spittal, rant, rave -- you want out of here, and do what you will out of it.  No one cares what anyone says or does here.  If you don't agree or like what is said in any thread, why return to read more?

By the way, "council" should be "counsel".  And that advice is one you should remember.

Because ideas have consequences. And this idea that WGs are somehow unclean, untrustworthy, and unworthy of our love is something that I encounter time and again in this forum. It's wrong and it's very ungenerous coming from guys who get so much from these girls. To me, it's just another instance of the way in which men are always fucking over women in this world. And what is a forum for if not to argue issues about which one holds strong opinions?

Sorry about the spelling error, but when you speak four languages, you sometimes loose sight of the details. And English spelling, by the way, is insane. Lots of  languages are spelled exactly as spoken. I read an article in The Guardian not too long ago by some sort of language expert who stated that it takes, on average, 18 more mths for an English speaker to reach a certain level of proficiency compared to speakers of other European languages because of the inconsistencies in the way we spell our words.

You should read that entire thread by the way - a lot gets said on this issue.