jackthebat:  why the change in profile pic?  I kinda like the prev one more

Talking about avatars...what happened to yours??

It's a lot tinier than previously/I hardly can see the "action!"
and BTW - where did you get this/what does it mean to you that you'd put it up?
Anything significant?

Another totally great subject for idle chatting!! NOT ....perhaps!! LOL!

SEAN - you guys like MY avatar????!!!

Hello everyone, I've been lurking around these forums for quite some time now, probably around two years.  I live with family when I come to visit every year so I'm generally escorted around and don't really get a chance to go wander on my own, not that I've been brave enough to try any of this even if I did go venture out on my own    At last though my urge to try going to one of the saunas has overwhelmed my meager bravery, plus I'm supposed to go meet people for my part-time job so I have the perfect reason to wander around on my own before heading back.  

I'm going to be in the Kowloon area in a few days, Kowloon Tong to be more precise if the meeting venue isn't changed and was wondering if anyone here could be awesome enough to recommend a good sauna I could visit around that area (though if I'm not mistaken, you can get anywhere rather quickly but I'd rather it be on my way back to or in the CWB area).  I'm... not interested at the moment in FS because I'm... lets just say I'm rather inexperienced   in the ways of the world, and I've seen posts where people are clearly shocked by 20+ year old *ahem* inexperienced people so yes, we exist (though we are a rare breed).  I doubt I'll last long even without FS given how excited and new to all of this I am .  As you can probably tell by this post, I'm one of those shy/nervous lads who don't have much confidence in their appearance and I grew up pretty sheltered but even I have a right to be interested right?

Once again my apologies if this post is far too long as I clearly don't do this often, but I wish almost desperately to seize this chance to get the experience I've been thinking about for for the better part of 2 years!  I've read the posts in the HK sauna section but I can't pick out the goods from the bads, given its a hit-or-miss chance, but I was hoping with some help, I could gain a good first (and hopefully not last!) experience.  Thanks in advance to anyone who offers suggestions!

If all that was tl;dr (too long didn't read), basically I am requesting a sauna place (and the number of a good, kind girl if you'd be so kind as to provide!) that is anywhere from the Kowloon area to the CWB area that is hopefully relatively cheap (woe is me and my part time wages ) and can provide with a good massage and a... pleasurable ending Of course preferably newbie friendly!

Hey, kinda wondering... what kind of pictures are allowed to be uploaded? I had my first mongering tonight and I think I only have 1 photo that's not blurry... Do let me know whether photos taken during sexual intercourse are allowed to be posted, thanks.

Been thinking hard about this question of yours...this being your supposedly your first time and everything....and knowing very little about the Hong Kong sauna scene myself.

Anyway, first an appeal to others here who are more familiar/have better 1st hand knowledge (perhaps you should even ask TwiceAweek who is the sauna moderator here and who is usually immensely helpful to everybody) and second, a suggestion for you to do more of your own reading to figure out YOURSELF where you should go to...for in the final analysis, each and every mongering experience is uniquely personal and YMMV. Really!

And third - a question: do you really want your first experience to be a paid one? From my reading of your posts, you seem to be a nice young man from NYC who has been leading a very family sheltered life - and to have your "first" to be with a WG....well... I'm just concerned that it would really skew your impression of women in general for life PLUS that it may bring about personality changes which would NOT be easily accepted by your over-protective family.  Seriously!

IMHO, you should consider to first concentrate on doing what other young people mostly do - and that is to just go chasing civvies whilst building up your own style, personality and confidence.  Search a few pages back from #152 back on discussions we've had with our "gonuts" for some of these thoughts/suggestions that others have with him for your further consideration as gonuts is also another young guy who has had a similar sheltered life.

And fourth - if you really are still going to go ahead with your plans - then note that your journey from CWB to Kowloon Tong - depending on the route you take - will take you through some of the Sauna areas anyway i.e. Wanchai, Tsimshahtsui, Mongkok and even CWB itself!  BTW - the fastest route CWB to Kln Tong is to go by the cross harbour bus, get off at the cross harbour tunnel, go up and take the Old KCRC line (what is it called now?) at the Hunghom train station and 2nd stop is already Kowloon Tong - a journey that only takes less than half an hour.

Hope you do NOT mind my not really answering your question and instead doing a bit of proselytising - but I do feel that such a momentous thing in one's young life need a bit of guidance and I do know that such guidance cannot be gotten from your own family/parents.

Good luck in whatever you decide.



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Reply #3924 asurada00's post

Yes - even "action"  pictures are allowed on this forum BUT you have to RA it to 50.
You should also read up the forums' updated guideline (amongst others of course!) on what precisely the requirements are
http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/v ... &extra=page%3D1

Look forward to reading your report...and of course looking at the picture! LOL

SEAJ

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 3-6-2012 11:02 ]

hi there, and thx for posting.

in certain cultures at certain times, once a boy came of age, his father would take him down to the local 141-shop and make sure that an experienced technician instructed him in the carnal arts. the idea was that an experienced woman would provide a better introduction than a less experienced young lass of his own age. makes sense?

hhWTF, we were ALL shy/nervous/looks-conscious young men once, and while most of us popped our cherries with civvies, well, now we monger at least part of the time. but it's time to introduce yourself to sex: you know it yourself, right?

i feel there's nothing wrong with having a first encounter with a WG. you'll be nervous, but she will understand. go ahead and tell her yr new to this (believe me, she'll know anyway). yes, yr in a room with a real live naked woman. woohoo! again, yr gonna be nervous.

sex is something all humans do, and no one does it perfect the first time. try to lessen the pressure on yrself. remember that no one's got a perfect body or performs like a pornstar. forget that Internet bullshit. it's not real.

do wear clean clothes, floss yr teeth, trim yr nails. you'll be washed or at least get a shower before anything begins. bring yr own condoms. it's good if u can clear a couple of hours, and find a situation where yr allowed to spend some time and have more than one shot--go ahead and blast within 30 seconds, yr young and can recover. try to find an experienced tech with a common language.

after u survive, u may want to try it again. OK, but as yr in yr 20s, go out and chat up some civvies. the phrase "chat up" is specific: women like it when u TALK to them. try to find some common ground--conversation is foreplay for women. they want to feel they know you a little bit before they consider you sexually. but don't think WGs are the only women interested in you. there are plenty of civvies out there who will be interested in a young guy like you, right in yr hometown. what they like is confidence, and with a bit of sexual knowledge, confidence grows.

that's my two cents, now get out there and rock it! we like you, bro!!

JtB

Welcome to the boards.

Although, I must admit I wouldn't welcome you to the game since you make yourself sound young and naive.

I agree with SEAN.  Adventures await, get yourself outside and with friends and explore.  Mongering is kinda a lone game, where you hunt alone and sometimes go in packs.  But basically it's something you do secretly and can't really talk about it with "real" friends.

If you want FS, go to the Gal DB section and pony up 1000 hkd and get a nice quickie with a hot gal.  If you want adventure, go to a walk up and knock on 10-20 apart doors until you find one to your liking.  It's pretty fun. Sure, the sauna you mentioned is also fun.

If you want outrageous adventure, go to ShenZhen and do some shopping, clubbing, Sauna-ing, or exploring.  It's right there, well, like an hour away.  

I didn't have my first WG experience until I was well over 30.  I remember my first sight of WGs was in Old Lisboa in Macau.  I went to Macau with my gf at the time for vacation.  I was like, what the f'k, these girls are Hawwwt!!

I'm not sure the best age to do this stuff, but I'd say 40ish is the best age.  One would appreciate it more and have all the personal stability that is needed to monger: a good job/savings.  I'd hate for a young person to save all his money just for a screw with a WG.  It's fun, but unnecessary, in my opinion.

Two good replies by SEAj and then JtB -- yet giving somewhat opposing views.

Yeah, that's life aint it??  There is rarely one "right" answer to such personal matters.  

I used to be firmly in the "go chase civvies first" camp, like SEAj.  But I don't disagree with a thing that Jack said either.  Overcoming your "first-time" nerves can definately help you with your chase for  civvies and a "real" girlfriend.  

But don't get caught up in this easy-way-out world to soon.  And that can be tough.  Why face rejection, strike-outs, a broken heart, when getting laid is as easy as the nearest Walkup-Building, right?  Well, because there is sooo much to being with a woman, in a relationship, then just getting some pussy.  

I was young when I first punted too -- but I was also already in a serious live-together relationship (with a gal who eventually became my wife).  I knew the difference and valued both options for overlapping but different reasons.  It took me 3 months to win her over, to get that first date..., but it was worth the effort.  At my worst times, my lowest moments in life, I always knew there was one person who would stand beside me, or indeed hold me up if that's what I needed.  A WG won't be happy eating nothing but noodles for 6 months cause you've quit your job to go back to school (or whatever).  

So, my advice (for what it's worth).  Go pop your cherry.  But remember it is a fantasy-land.  You need to work on chasing girlfriends too..., and remember that they are worth the chase.   

Good luck.  And tell us how it goes.

Hi thanks for all your replies, but I think some of you might have misread!

I don't want my first experience to be with a WG, so I'm NOT interested in FS.  I just want a nice massage with a nice ending.  A HE massage has just been something that I've been curious about so I've wanted to try it, but nothing more than that.  I've only had a massage twice before, once very relaxing and then I heard about "happy endings" and instantly became curious but haven't had the opportunity, money, or courage to try it.  I DO want my first time to be with someone I know and not with a WG (though I don't see anything wrong with it, so no offenses meant against anybody).  

Perhaps I coined the terms wrong, but I don't at the moment plan to lose my cherry, so to speak.  Just want to experience the relaxing massage and I suppose its a handjob?  I might have misunderstood the posts in the sauna section but if there's happy endings without the sex (does that sound weird?), then that is what I'm interested in.  If that isn't actually something that's readily available I'd actually just settle for a nice relaxing regular massage (although a post I read actually had someone go in for a regular veggie massage and get more than he expected out of it haha) without the happy ending too.  Sorry if I caused any confusion by misusing terms!  Any further tips, suggestions and advice would be greatly appreciated!

[ Last edited by  hahawtfhahawtf at 3-6-2012 14:13 ]

The thing about this hobby or mongering is that it is a slippery slope after all. I would equate it to watching porn or drinking alcohol.

Porn-- when first saw a playboy magazine with a picture of a naked girl's body, you just get so excited and hard. Then you graduate to watching soft porn, then soft core porn becomes hard-core porn, and it takes more and more to get you excited and stimulated as time progresses.

Alcohol-- same thing. first time drinker, 1 cup of beer and you are gone. then it's one bottle of beer, then it's a few beers, so on so forth. You develop a tolerance to certain things and it takes more to stimulate you.

Back to the whole massage with happy endings. Usually, not always, but usually once you go down that path you'll get addicted and it leads to further mongering activities such as BJ or FS or FS in a threesome etc.

My advice is, Mongering is something that once you get into it gets addicting and you can easily fall into wanting more and more, graduating to deeper types of activities in this hobby.

As a result, get a GF first. someone you love and be in that for a while. Then you can perhaps consider the mongering hobby. After all Mongering-- getting HJ, BJ, FS it's all available any time. But while you are young, I think you should experience Dating and being with a real GF first. Don't get tainted by this hobby too early on, I believe it becomes a bad influence later on in your life.

Just my two cents on this.


AsnDragon

Hmm, I see, I never thought about it like that.  I doubt I'd have much of a chance to do it often enough that I would go further, but I do see how it could become addicting.  I would never consider going in NY just because of prices, so if I did go again, it would be when I come around to HK again.  Even though I was confident enough last night that I would go and at least get a massage, I'm actually rather nervous just thinking about it now so come time when I go to Kowloon I might end up chickening out due to nerves   NOT that I'm no longer interested, just very nervous about the thought of going .  I will definitely take this into consideration as well as anyone else's advice.  Maybe I'll browse for a non-141 massage place until next time.  Strangely enough from my perspective, it seems to make more sense to do this BECAUSE I don't have a gf atm.  Is that weird?  It isn't that I'm not looking, just haven't had luck blow my way yet.  

Thanks again to you all for the advice so far!

I know your feeling. You probably walk by the sauna signs all the time, hesitating yet tempted to go in. Heart beating faster feeling that excitement in your blood, wanting to take the plunge but holding back atthe same time. Full of anticipation but yet resisting the temptation for some odd reason that you can't really put your finger on it. Nervous of doing it and questioning if you should even do it the first place. Conflicting emotions all fighting to take center stage in your mind.

The thing about this hobby is that once you are addicted even if it costs a lot in NYC you will seek and search for something affordable to your financial level. Even if it is not affordable, you will end up saving your money to do it only once in a while. In all addictions people will save, will earn or do anything necessary to achieve getting that "release"

It starts with one session and then two, and then "I will only do it in HK" then it's I'll do it in NYC but only the cheap places in queens and then it's I'll do it in nicer places with nicer girls even though it's expensive I'll only do it once a month...etc. slippery slope. It all starts with a simple HE and then we get curious to wanting FS. All saunas yougo to in HK a simple HJ could lead to FS if you are horny and aroused enough at the moment. Perhaps not your first time or second or even third time, but one of the times during your HJ session you will be tempted and perhaps slip to doing FS unintentionally.

I am not out here to scare you, I just want the best for you since you seem quite young and I would like to see you have a normal relationship to help you get a better grip of what it is you really want in life. Let mongering only be of sexual pleasure and be able to discern between mongering hobby action and real life action.

Good luck

AsnDragon

Know what?// Even from your few posts etc, I can determine that you seem to be quite a sensible young man.

You've apparently given this matter a lot of thought and even though there IS a myriad of replies/opinions etc on what you should or should not do, I am already convinced that whatever you decide upon, its gonna be OK.

Just remember that you are only at the beginning of your life and the path towards many a relationship in life - business, family, love, friends etc.  What you do NOT want to do is make any rash decision that will affect you for the rest of your life.

This includes not only venereal diseases (and the dreaded AIDS) but also how your experiences will affect your perception AND action as a person towards others.  What I mean is that having too early WG relationship gives too many a guy this distorted view that Girls are just pieces of meat that can be bought - which although is certainly true to a large extent, IS NOT true for the true Love of your life and LIFE IN GENERAL. And I must warn you that the mongering life is to a large extent a sordid and lonely type of existence sustained only by one's never ending quest for sexual gratification.  Yeah, just like animals who's only instinct is for food, survival and procreation!

But we are human beings and as such IMHO...in my VERY H.O., its best not to awaken that beast with WRONG relationships and strive for normal growing up and maturing.

SEAN.....OMG....getting all serious around here!!  JEEEEEEEZZ!.

Ps edit
Our bro DevilGodSpeed have been writing lots of GREAT reports on the Philippines mongering scene with LOTS OF PICTURES. Check 'em out - starting with his latest one
http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/v ... 9196&highlight=

Pps edit:
Just a Li'l thank you to all of you for caring - This is what I LOVE about this forum and especially this thread - that members do really care about each other!
THANKS!!!

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 3-6-2012 21:46 ]

SEAN

For being so young you seem to have quite the experience. Very well put my young friend. Mongering is something that brings along much loneliness and emptiness. Especially right after your ejaculate. Once all of your sexual needs have been fulfilled and you have blown your load. You all of a sudden don't have that urge to monger anymore.all of a sudden that hot girl next to you seems less hot and even at times you question yourself why you even picked her to have sex in the first place.

It's very difficult to explain but a mans sexual urge makes him doing crazy things sometimes. Perhaps pick girls they wouldn't even do if they were less horny. But once youclear your pipes everything is clearer in your head and logic starts sinking back in your brain. And when you has over The cash to The girl an she leaves the room and you are left in the room by yourself, that's the worst feeling ever, that is when loneliness and emptiness overcomes you sometimes....

Asndragon

Totally agree with you. I'm not exactly a mongerer expert, but the girls I sleep with are quite....  After sex, it's like... get out of here, I want to watch some family guy! Then after a few days, you ask her over and the same thing happens again, going into an endless repetition. That's why at the end of the day, we should all find a friend for benefit partner, rather than a fuckbuddy/WG.

With a pure FWB, you can have mutual interests, fuck a lot, and have none of that needy gf bs that made us want to monger in the first place. I personally have had 2 FWBs and they remain excellent friends with me, but sometimes it's boring to fuck the same girl again hence the reason why I'm off to monger/to make more FWBs.

This is a game nobody wins... then again you won't lose if you don't play it.

I know Just what you're saying here. After I blow my load and she takes the dom off,I am already going through, in my mind what's next and the time required until I get home, basically calculating time for shower, then time for dress, then stop by for a quick dinner someplace, then ride the MTR home

I'm never lonely. I love it. There is a time and place for everything and this kind of stuff for me works, at least for now

keep on mongering

nothing happened to mines.  I see it as the same size as its always been, i can see the "action" pretty clearly.  Its pretty obvious what it means to me

Seaj: no opinion on yours.  who is that dude? a little bland imho

Bland....but very meaningful as far as I'm concerned!

It was "gifted" to me by one of the old Mods Froddo who thought that the sentiment so expressed by the picture accurately conveys my attitude to others who do not agree with me here!  LOL!

Actually its an Ad for Bentley autos - expressing their attitude towards a competitor.

And as for your avatar, I remember it was way larger than it now appears on my screen (I'm using firefox).
Anyway....

SEAN....I MUST be getting older - even my 24" screen seems small nowadays!

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Reply #3936 gwailoplayer's post

Yes - I do believe that mongering is best enjoyed in small doses during fleeting moments of illicit freedom

Actually I really cannot imagine what it would be like if I had complete freedom/probably would NOT be mongering as much.

Just a thought!
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Ps :
Our  bro asurada00 has posted up his report with the 1 picture...and this time I presume/hope he'll NOT get the grief he got from his first report! LOL!

AV. Baby - Kwun Tong HG - Long Legs <3
http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/v ... 9233&highlight=

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 5-6-2012 17:28 ]

"Actually I really cannot imagine what it would be like if I had complete freedom/probably would NOT be mongering as much."

SEAN---somehow I doubt this statement from you. If you had complete freedom you will just is that time to chase more girls. Its really in your nature. but I think most men after a while of freedom want emotional support from a women and get tied down with one. Once they are tied down with a women they want freedom. So we men sometimes really do it to ourselves!

AsnDragon

oooh, i like it, i LIKE it!

there's an element of naughtiness and piracy to the punting scene. i think if it becomes just another activity, it loses its allure.

what do we normally do: work, eat, surf the Net, deal with our roommates/family/co-workers/goldfish, sleep, get up and do it all over again. then sometimes we get carnally entangled with someone we aren't familiar with, in a structured and ritualistic fashion.

come on, it's great. it shouldn't be a regular average-type of activity.

i appreciate the poetry of SSS. more monger-poetry! channel yr creativity. i'll start with a haiku:

Breasts: pert, firm, wondrous.
A sheen of sweat: summer heat.
I destroy semen.

JtB