Let me ask you this when these girls pursue you in a manner to try to get you into something of a relationship, do they know your financial situation beforehand or some inkling of it? Addiitionally, is this your biggest worry/insecurity that they see you as money bags and therefore you're concerned that they are just acting/playing the role of winning your heart to get at said money?

Well I do not present myself as a money bag. I dress normally and I don't try to portray myself as some rich BSD. It's just when you get to my age, most girls automatically assume that you have accumulated some money over the decades. Thus, I have this thinking in the back of my mind that the girl is after my money
More than who I am as a person. But the again who can blame them for thinking that way, I'm three times most of the girls age.

I do treat them nicely. I dont overspend or give them iPhone's like the rest of the realBSD from Singapore, Malaysia or others do.

What's a guy like me to do right? Gotta march on still.

Again my exhortations that we should all be just ourselves and NOT put up too elaborate facade/pretenses when dealing with WG's.  IMHO, most of us are already at a distinct advantage over them and it does not behove us as gentlemen mongers to further skew the odds by lying etc.

I just had been with a friend of mine who I've been seeing on and off for quite a few years; she had phoned me in quite a bit of distress and specifically asked me to see her to give her a bit of advise. What it is is that her present BF, who she has been seeing for a couple or so years had all along told her that he was unmarried and basically offering such in the future....and of course the SOB had all along been married and worse, his wife and family had just joined him here in China.

He's a Taiwanese factory owner/land developer and his courting of her had involved showering my friend with lots gifts, monies etc; and whilst she does not deny that she does like the fact that he does do so, she also told me that during the period that she has been with him, that she has actually fallen "hopelessly" in love with him. She's now quite a mess actually and I really don't know how to advise her one way or the other.

Was it really necessary for this SOB to have such an underhanded tactic with her??

SEAN...why can't people be more honest??.

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 26-5-2012 17:34 ]

Hi

Can I book a massage girl by texting the number displayed on her DB page ? Or will itcall her agent ?

I would think that most gals listed under massage on the Db pages are independents and should NOT have any agents - but why don't you just go ahead and text away. Also, most listed under massage advertises just the place instead of a particular gal.

And what's the difference between getting the agent or the gal? Why the question?

SEAJ

AsnDragon
I wouldn't get too hung up on the money thing.  After all we chase after the girls for their hot bodies, and try hard not to fall for them - well some of us anyway.  But sometimes it happens.  We can't escape the fact that the connection is there.  I imagine it is the same for the girls.  They may chase after you because you are Mr. Money - but then, maybe they fall for you.  It is probably easy to see the transition.  Or maybe the hybrid remains.  We have fallen for them, but would leave if they fattened up.  They have fallen for us, but would leave if the money flow stopped.  Does till death do us part still exist anywhere?  It probably does, but like the big gambling win, it is safer to assume that it doesn't.

SEAN, I think sometimes the lies occur in the first session.  The girl is a stranger to you - neither of you owe each other anything other than money and sex, so you answer questions any way you wish.  No harm done, you are never going to see each other again.  The problem happens if you become friends afterwards.  Then you have to untangle the falsehoods and set things straight - a step some mongers appear to skip.

Maybe you could advise your friend to self-impose no contact for a month or two.  Just to let her head clear.

User001
Welcome to the board.  There is quite an extensive faq which may answer your questions.  I'm no expert on the HK scene, but would say that the cheap ones would answer their own phones, and the more expensive ones would have agents answering.

Thanks
I am asking rather than trying because I am not in HK yet.
Thanks for your answers

Other question, how can I improve my reading access ?

[ Last edited by  User001 at 27-5-2012 02:30 ]

SEAN

I swear that I am not that old factory owner who tried to lie to her and steal her heart. But it is quite unfortunate to hear about her situation. Perhaps in the end I am right after all... Pretty girls have hard lives. So sorry to hear about her unfortunate situation. Perhaps SEAN can come to the rescue?

AsnDragon--what's up with men who have families who find a need to lie about the fact that they have a family to the girl?

Hey all, I'm new to the community. Staying in HK for a week right now, and on the fence about using a WG. I'm considering booking an escort overnight to help me discover women (I'm a virgin), but every time I feel the urge, I rub out out and no longer have any urge to do it. Any comments or helpful advice on my stay in HK?

I'm not really sure why, but it seems like lately there a numerous posts and threads discussing love, respect, "how to treat a WG". All of a sudden it seems like everyone is "Mr. Sensitive" or "Captain Save-A-Ho".

This is a rather naive understanding of love. What it really is a mix of Lust + Pity + Superiority Complex. If it hasn't already, and you will eventually need to seriously consider what you mean by "relationship". One day one or more of these things will happen:

Girl tries to kill herself
Girl makes numerous weak attempts at killing herself for attention
Girl tries to kill/injure guy
Girl tries and does not stop trying to disrupt your life at home/work/family
Girl gets/fakes pregnancy
Girl gets/fakes abortion
Girl drinks or does drugs to oblivion
Girl gets Boyfriend/Random guy for intimidation
Girl "disappears"
Etc, etc...

The potential for it going bad is REAL and will weigh on your conscience. And for what? Just to save a few hundred RMB or have a few childish SMS's? Half the time they are sent out as a mass SMS to all the WG's "regulars".

In some cases, there is a real connections and kudos for that. I try to operate on the "Golden Rule" and purposely try to not to get involved any deeper than a casual friend, but rarely even that. It's not hard to make them fall in "love" with you especially if you are "decent" guy.

The hard part is actually being a DECENT GUY. I'd rather they know I'm just "some punter" rather than a "real possibility".

[ Last edited by  SHLW at 27-5-2012 13:17 ]

Um because most people tend to be selfish.

If he's obviously wooing her and says he's married, the chances of them hooking up is next to NIL. I'm not saying it's right, but everyone has their own moral compass.

Hehe.  I think you read too many comic books!  I've been mongering for many years.  I have had countless. WGs as friends and romances.  Not once has any of your listed events occurred.  

Could they happen?  Sure.  It's a risk.  But so is flying, and I won't stop that just cause the occassional crash occurs.  All of your list is just as likely with a civvie gal -- indeed MORE likely -- as there was not the initial understanding that this is a WG-Punter relationship.

So loosen up.  Stay honest with them, but enjoy the experience.  No one likes being treated like a hooker.  If you open up so will they and can indeed enjoy themselves, and your dates, like any other woman.

The trick is staying honest with them.

Actually I've had a few of those occurrences happen or even multiples of those occurrences  from the same girl. I've had friends with similar stories.

Yes this has happened with both WG and civvie... and WG turned freebie. Indeed, when you start treating a WG more and more like a civvie her expectations eventually get higher and higher.

I didn't mean to scare anyone, but newbies as well as veterans sometimes have this saviour mentality. Being friends or more than friends is fun (and not that challenging or anything to brag about), but after having my fair share of headaches, I make sure they know I'm a "decent" guy, but not interested in really becoming involved... I reserve my relationship mojo for girls I actually care to invest my time & emotions on.



[ Last edited by  SHLW at 28-5-2012 16:42 ]

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Captain Save-a-Ho....hahaha

Hilarity!!

No, I have no mental capability to save and put up with a WG.  Even one who did it for as little as a week or two.  It's just the overall situation where she considers selling her body to raise whatever amount of $$ for whatever reason.  That in itself is the unfairness of life and the unfortunate pleasures of fate.

I would love to save those who are 'worthy' but who's to say who is or who isn't worthy?  I know I'm in no position to judge and most of my judgements have been to only benefit myself.

My understanding of the 'game' is to pay.  Pay for whatever you get.  Be a better 'man' and a real 'humanitarian' and give the woman her payment for her services, time, and friendship.  You wouldn't get it any other way, and others can get it the same monetary way.  

I had a WG gal.  She liked hanging with me and I loved hanging with her.  But I paid her in terms of clothes, trips to other cities, and other pleasures she may fancy.  When I leave, I give her a lump sum.  Just to thank her.  Not a whole lot, but not 2/10 of her worth either.  

Love is one thing.  But for all the WGs, it's not about love, it's about survival.

I didn't realize the question of payment was what we were talking about!  There isn't a WG I've known that would. say I wasn't a generous man.  I am, by nature.  I make money for this reason - to spend it on the things and people in my life I enjoy.  Ya can't take it with ya!

The payment "terms" change, mind you.  At the start it is leaving xx dollars on the nightstand each time, as agreed.  But it sometimes morphs into gifts, or trips, or dinners, or.., yes, help with some problem in their life.  

I have never been snagged into anything crazy, but I have helped a number of my regulars when it felt right. I can't say I ever felt lied to or tricked.   

Captain Save-a-Ho perhaps.  But whatever -- I need some good Karma too.  In the end, I feel good about the gals I've known and what they got out of the relationship with me -- and vice versa.  I have caused hurt to very few, had great fun with many, and helped a few in important ways (to them).

[ Last edited by  wander at 28-5-2012 22:34 ]

I know this working girl that I have done a few time. I finally was able to contact her by QQ after she change her cell number twice.  First time talked for a while and then she asked for money in the same QQ session.  She asked me to deposit money to her Bank of China account. She even gave me her bank acct by QQ.  She said it was a loan but I don't believe it.  She thought it could be done even when I'm in the USA.  I told her it was not possible.  I think I could have done it because there are a few Bank of China in the USA but I did not want to tell her. She lives in Guangxi and asked me to visit her.  Anyway, she is going to work in a factory in Forshan and might be in Dongguan later in a few months.

Weelock

Good job! Never deposit money into their bank account! If they want money give it tothem in person so you get some sex in return.

Firstly there's been a lot of QQ hacking so people hack into QQ account go through message history and ask mongers for money.

Secondly, once you deposit money in their account they will disappear.

We should make a mongers guideline for what and what not to do when dealing with WG. Few year ago like 8-10 years ago a girl might be more honest,  nowadays girls are just plain devious trying to score a quick buck or quick renminbi for that matter.

I used to keep contact with gals via QQ.

First it was through computer when I used to log on around 1 am to 3 am and catch some of them.  We were able to shoot the breeze and I got to know what's going on.

Then it was through my smart phone where I used to log on throughout the day.

I found out that the more you log on and chat with them, the less they'll want to talk to you.  Whether they're online or offline, they'll avoid you until they wanna talk to you.

And I also found out no good could come out of any conversation through QQ.  All sweet talk, all empty promises, all this and that BUT at the end of it all, it's lend me some money, help me pay this off, get me outta here, when r u coming, and lend me money NOW.  At times there may be temptation to actually lend her some money.  I' actually got to a point where I asked someone in CP to give her $.  Yeah, either through bank wire or from your connections in CP, she'll find a way for u to get a few rmbs to her hands.  Again, no good could come out of long distance QQ.

--i'm probably a hypocrite tho.  I bet right after I write this, I go on QQ and find all my ex-flames again and start up a QQ romance...i'm weak.

One of the things that too many mongers forget is THE FACT that WG's do it all for money - plain and simple; at least that is what it IS unless you've been with her for a looooong period of time and another type of " connection" has been made.

To me its the height of foolishness to think otherwise especially when all previous contacts had been based upon $$ changing hands; and I also happen to think its a travesty for any guy to get "freebies" from WG's - for to me its akin to stealing candy from a baby. And the old truism that freebies will in the end cost you a heckuva lot more in the final analysis.

Now I'm not saying that ALL relationships with WG's is predicated just upon $$ and there ARE many instances when true feelings do happen. But its the height of self-delusion if anybody thinks that such connection could happen unless you know each other VERY well and do have another type of connection.  Especially laughable is some guy's thoughts that he is such a cocksman that the gal would go nutso and fall hopelessly in love with his physical prowess/technique!!

Just my POV - don't kill me for it

SEAN...I is just a sweet ole Swede!

I am a bit naive...

Are punters in Asia are more likely to fall heads over heels for the wgs than their counterparts in N.America and Europe? If so, why is that?

Is it because the wgs are more GFE, ie less pro, greater chance of a kiss on lips, the girls look cuter, are younger?