hmmm not so much progress yet. i think i am still searching for someone whose look is my taste.
i don't like chubby girl. but all the the girls that i always chat with are chubby

i was hoping for a slender or a skinny one. i always like them since i was a kid.
(most of my elder girl cousins is either slender or skinny, i always masturbate while thinking i could have sex with them while i was a kid )

Virgin punts....! Sigh...!

yup, I ain't one to enjoy such pleasures; fine when I was younger and popping virgin civvies but as far as being responsible for "Initiating" a virgin into the P4P world - that's just too heavy duty for me....and my conscience.

Virginity is a one time deal - and what can be worse than to lose it for money...exceptin' for one to be the one to be doin' the payin'...to get that virginity.

Yup, too heavy duty for me.

Just IM very HO only of course...and my own druthers!

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reply #3041 gonut's report
Let me expand on that rating comment. What I'm suggesting is that you shouldn't be too picky when you are on your early journey in trying to get a regular GF.  DON'T set your standards too high for then the chances of failure is that much greater - especially when you really don't have enough MoJo YET - to easily get into a girl's
pants.

Go for somebody more "reachable" i.e. desperate for a BF, perhaps chubbier if need be, don't matter if "plain" or not etc. Once you've sort of mastered the art of getting into a girl's pants - and have a bit more MoJo - then you can be a bit more adventurous as to your "target."  

What I'd hate to see is for you to set your expectations too high...and as a result experience a series of "failures"....which will erode your confidence.... to the point that you'd never have such confidence to ever succeed.

And let me tell you, sometimes a more plain gal gives a much better mind blowing sex experience versus some of the "princesses."
True... I kid you not!

SEAJ

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 16-12-2011 23:43 ]

I agree with you totally, SEAj

Paying for a frightened girl, who will be in pain and a little bloodied when you finish?  All for "bragging rights"?  

Seems like a sick fetish to me...   

In my life I think I recall 4 virgins I either did, or could have, slept with.  

- One when I was a kid aswell. - both of us a little nervous and crap but it DID hurt her and this is not pleasant..  It was nice by the end, and kinda special that I was her first given we really knew and cared for each other...

- one was a drunk-as-hell young civvie that I walked away from when I learned she was a virgin.  (Shit girl --- don't give that to ME!!  I don't want to be remembered as the one who took it!)

-  And two were new WGs that didn't even tell me!!!  I have a bad memory of one where I am trying to get in and it's tough and wondering what's going on down there and shifting around when it finally pops (her hymen), she yelps in pain, I pull out and see blood all over me...  Shit! ...... She cried in my arms for 20 minutes.  I didn't even know until it was too late.  I held her for a long while but didn't quite  know what to say...  Can't give that back!

So...,, I have no idea why someone would want, or pay extra, for a virgin.  Weird.  In fact I have much more interest in gals over 25 or 30.  Experience, maturity, strength, opinions.

Yes, unfortunately I also popped a virgin unknowingly just a few years back.


My partner in Foshan was going out with this gal (A Yin) and we'd a lot of times just hung out together.
Then one day A Yin asked me - "Hey, would you help me out and pay for my best GF in my village to come out to Foshan?"


I of course asked first if her friend A Ying was a virgin or not - and only after A Yin phoned and confirmed that she's NOT a Virgin... that's when I agreed.


A Ying came to Foshan and I gave the 2 gals money to get a new outfit, have her hair done, nails manicured etc and I gotta say - after her "make-over" A Ying looked pretty good for a country bumpkin!


Dinner, KTV, back to my room, romanced her, turned her on, suited up and stuck it in....or....at least tried to stick it in..... but it was somehow not getting in all that easily...but Ole SEAJ managed...and had a good ole time!!
A REAL good time actually...and I was just laying back in bed smoking an "apres" cigarette whilst she went to the bathroom to clean up.


Until I heard a shriek and shouting...and I rushed to the bathroom to find a hysterical A Ying with blood all over her thighs and legs...and of course looked down and also saw blood all over me (We were doing"it" in the dark...you know...all romantic. Christ!).


So I of course quickly called my friend and A Yin and asked WTF??


I got A Ying on the phone to A Yin - and guess what the explanation was???!!


A Yin had asked if A Ying had been Tsan Maat" (Intimate, or a nice way to ask if she'd already been screwing her BF or not) with her BF in the village or not - and A Ying had confirmed so.  Well it turns out that A Ying hadn't actually been screwed by her BF!!  Yes, she had been naked etc and been intimate in a lot of different ways with him - but they had never actually screwed....and she actually didn't even know what I was doing when I WAS screwing her.  Incredible but true!!  Really!!

Man - what a disaster!! I felt so guilty that I gave her too much money, a Mobile Phone, 3 months rent (first last + deposit) on an apartment, arranged a job for her, introduced her to a nice young man....and never did touch her after that one night.  

Man what a disaster...and even today I still feel guilty over this. Sigh...!
And of course....Darn it, I could have bare-backed her safely... but I was all suited up!

You're an idiot SEAJ!!

SEAJ

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 17-12-2011 00:53 ]

LOL! Are you talking about a regular GF or a regular fuck friend?
You seem to sound like you've been through a lot, bro SEAJ. How old are you? (if you don't mind sharing) and how is it that you could understand some Javanese language?

@wander:
Wow so you've had experiences with virgins before. So how is it different from non-virgins? Are the pussies really tighter thanthe non-virgins? If I understand correctly, the tightness of the pussy depends on whether or not the girl is nervous. If the girlis relaxed enough their pussies should feel the same as other WG's. No?

@SEAJ:
WTF? You ended up paying for her rent, and her other living costs? I take it that she is a WG? Hmm, so she didn't understand what you were doing with your LB going in and out her LS?

EDIT:
I've had a bloody experience before. It wasn't with a virgin, but it was with a girl who was menstruating.

[ Last edited by  mrpekz at 17-12-2011 09:02 ]

Hey mrperks,

If the potential virgin gal is a civvie girlfriend and someone you think could be the "one" then it would amazingly special to be the her first time, I suppose.

But other than that --- dont bother.  A gal's "tightness" varies tremendously from gal to gal and a virgin's falls into this same variation.  Nothing special.  I have been with experieinced WGs who had pussies  just as tight as the virgins.    Besides, the average woman (WG or not) uses vibrators or dildos that are typically gigantic compared to the averge dick -- so to think a gal that gets fucked by men a lot has a "looser" pussy is silly.  If this where true then those gals who rarely gets laid but pound themselves with a dildo (umm, most women!)  would be unfuckably loose, right?  Yet, they are not.  A pussy is very elastic.

So the differance with virgins is alsmost all negative:  they are nervous, inexperieinced with no skills, uncomfortable or pained, and bloody.

Completely agree with wander....I've found little way to link physical attributes,  amount of sexual activity or anything to vaginal looseness/tightness.  Only exception being after childbrith where there was ripping and no "husband stitch" applied, but you don't know until you know....if you know what I mean.  Another anecdotal exception I've seen is that women I've dated who do intense yoga or do certain workouts do seem to be tighter and also have more control down there...the ability to squeeze her puss, for example, which is a delightful feeling.  Also,  the wetter a lady is,  the more she may feel loose, but thats ok as no girl likes being dry fucked.

My personal experience with virgins is that they're obviously inexperienced and sometimes quite nervous (you really have to relax them).  Sometimes there's bleeding, sometimes not. I popped a lot of cherries in my younger days and what I learned from that is I appreciate a woman with experience....a total slut, if you will.  Give me a whore over a virgin any day!

Hooo...Kaaaay.....! The deal was for me to pay for her to come down, sort of set her up in Foshan for when she first gets down and then...take it from there if she stays as my "permanent" GF or not. Well, my popping her virginity DID freak me out and thus I basically just hi-tailed it outa there...but of course after fulfilling my original agreement....and of course in too lavish a manner...but what the heck....!

And how old am I? HUH? I thought most guys here already know me as being the bumbling 29 YO 6'2" Swedish blonde guy addicted to the Gym? No? As for my Javanese - well one of my thesis papers was "Equestrian Ohm lobotomology in comparative palaeolithic genome enzyme obsequentializing- Stockholm/Borobudur" so of course I had to spend a bit of time in Jogja to do my research.

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reply #3046 wander's post
Amazing - exactly my thoughts as far as Civvie gals are concerned AND also what I feel about gals' nookies; nothing to do with how much wear and tear she's put it through - different gals has varying tightness just as different guys have different size dicks.

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reply #3047 stu05655's post
Yeah Yoga - gals practicing Yoga are always proud/showing off that their daily routine enable them to supposedly control their vaginal muscles (NOT true in many cases - they THINK the could! LOL!) but the one exercise that really does make a difference actually is the Kegel exercise. If you've been with a gal who practices Kegel - you KNOW what I'm talking about.  I've also ran across some gals in Java who are able to REALLY control their vaginal muscles - to the point that it feels more like a soft, warm and moist palm was actually milking you dry - mrpekz - what is that called? It's like Kegel but they've got their own terminology for this.

SEAJ

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 17-12-2011 13:16 ]

Well, I'm not one of those guys I guess.
Shit! That thesis title is wicked. LOL! So basically what were you researching about at Borobudur? What else did you there besides thesis research?


- Whoa, I don't know man. I've only started punting this year (about half a year ago was my first time). I've never come across such a girl TBH. However, there is actually one "technique" that a WG actually did to me that made me go off with her hands. It's called " Petik Mangga " LOL!

dam SEAJ must be a baller
dropping rent payment and cell phones for taking a chicks virginity

I've never done a virgin.  You can explain away how it is no different, and actually not as good - the girl's uncomfortable, inexperienced, the sensation is not better, and so on and so on...

... but I've still never done a virgin.

I don't think I would pay for it -- there would be a lot of guilt -- but every time the subject comes up I think  coulda shoulda woulda.

I don't think that there is a solution - but dammit - I feel cheated.

And then friggin' wander's had four.
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Was reading the discussion on the other thread about posting pics, and I thought, how many of us complain about having to sit all day in committee meetings where there is enough hot air to warm the planet, but accomplish absolutely nothing, and then we come home in the evening, kick off the shoes in front of the computer and then DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING!

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Time to put up more xmas decorations...
This one comes from thechive.com website, which if you have never visited, is a real time killer.

[ Last edited by  yazoo at 16-12-2011 23:06 ]

i am 24(next year 25)years old chinese, 174cm tall, 104kg. huge body with a little fats that can be hidden when i wear clothes
i have big bones, normal arms but huge legs

the kegel exercise that u mention, is also the same in bahasa indonesia.
indonesia like to readjust english name to their. so not much different there.
maybe u may call that "senam kegel"


aww man, u guys are talking about virgins... i was hoping so much that my future GF is a virgin
hahaha... i feel that i am so selfish that my GF should be a virgin, while myself is not already a virgin

i think, i am gonna be so hurt to find out if my GF is not a virgin that i does not want to make a move on pretty girls so quickly

Wow, we're the same age, bro. LOL! I'm much smaller though. You should hit the gym regularly man.

I don't think SEAJ was talking about the kegel exercise. Not really sure what he was referring to, though.
Well, I don't mind even if my GF is not a virgin. I myself have lost my virginity since years ago.

Reply #3042 SEAJ Sifu

Well, like I said it ain't a fun experience. I was actually skeptical and thought my vendor friend was joking when he told me what he had in store. Anyway, it was also too late to back out and I went through with it. I am not proud of it, but it was nonetheless an experience. My friend had one for himself too and the other girl was chubby and not much to look at, but he did it anyway...when I ask him why, he said it was supposed to improve his manhood and virility if he pops a virgin. And apparently he does this quite regularly.

The girls stayed with us one more night and she was actually asking me for pointers and was enjoying herself! I remember she told me the first time was painful, but the second night was good, she enjoyed the sex we had... Apart from whatever my friend paid her, I gave her money too as she seemed genuine about the problem she is having and i hoped I helped.

That was my one and only virgin punt, wouldn't do it again even if the opportunity arises. Too much for my conscience to take...once is enough.

The only other virgin I had was, believe it or not my beloved SO! Now this I can live with! Good memories...even though it was messy, but it was memorable in a good way.


Reply #3043 wander

I agree with you that it seems like a sick fetish...the guy that offered me this was so into this that he do it regularly. For me, I can't stand the sight of blood, but he seems to have some kind of sick fetish on blood, he told me the blood turns him on!

Unwittingly "deflowering" a WG? Now that's something else. The funny thing is the agent didn't charge you more? As I understand from my friend, virgin punt is a niche market and usually the papasan or mamasan will made it known and charge more!

[ Last edited by  Tuffbod at 17-12-2011 16:03 ]

i think i get it wrong... LOL

i suppose to say like what Tuffbod said, "My Wife is virgin and i am her first" should be the correct one

so what i mean is that. the GF that i have should be virgin until we get married. well, only after married that we can find out if she is or not.

but if she is.
this will make me feel more loyal to her. believe her, and hmmmm
treasure her more than anything else.
i don't know if my wish will come true or not
but that is just one of my wish for my future

That's cool, bro.  And I hope your dream comes true.

But....  Don't push-away the right gal because she is not a virgin.  In the long-run of your life you'll learn how this matters not.  You won't care what she did BEFORE she met you - only that her history forged who she became - the woman you love.  It won't matter if it is was a good or bad history, it is just HER history - how she became the woman you see before you.  

What matters with you and your SO is how you connect - empathize, respect, laugh together, protect each other from the world-outside-no-matter-what,  take care of each other.  

You learn that you'll be very interested in her past, but not judgemental - the mistakes we make in life are part of life.  How we build character.

Anyway -- I sound like an old preacher.  I aint!  I am a horny monger...  So take my advice as lightly as it is given...

Ok gonuts (and I'm probably really gonna get flamed for this) you've been here basically baring your soul to us and I just cain't help but to now want to TRY to steer you in the right direction.

Yes strictly from the few words that you have written here and most probably NOT accurate/relevant or even wise - and of course all IMHO opinion only. But since you've bared your all to us - I feel it only right that I should also be straight with you (but of course feel VERY free to ignore it all) in this a truly idle chat thread.

First thing first - you really do need to look after your body better - letting it balloon to 104 KG with your height at 24 YO is a sure road to health problems later on in life - AND IMHO part of the reason why you're having problems with getting civvie GF's. If you KNOW you're unfit and not LOOKING THE BEST THAT YOU CAN BE, of course you would not have confidence. And confidence is at least 50% of the reason for success in most things in life.

So, please go to the Gym, slim down, spend some money getting a few nice clothes, groom yourself well and fastidiously and you've set 50% of the stage towards success.

Second - yes masturbation is not much harm - but ANYTING DONE TO EXCESS is bad for you - and in your case, its even made you addicted to it - to the point that even sex with a rea gal doesn't result in satisfaction.  You've beat your dick to only be responsive to your own ministrations.

Third, don't have too many ideals, imagery of your perfect woman -  just go out and get to know one and all.  Really, don't obsess on ideals and just mix with girls and enjoy the companionship of friends FIRST (And take that gaze away from her body!!). Go out, have fun, enjoy other's company and sooner or later a girl or another is going to gravitate to you.  And guess what - you'd be surprised that even if she wasn't a "perfect" specimen, you're gonna also enjoy her company....and you could AND should take it from there.

Fourth - I PERCEIVE that you're spending way too much time on the computer....as is the case with too many younger guys these days; going to porn sites, chatting up gals on it, on this forum etc etc. Well IMHO, the computer is such a bad killer of a person's personality and social skills.  What you need to do is mix with people - girls and guys - in real life. Go for meals together, coffee, socials, charity drives, whatever - but be with REAL people i/o your keyboard.

I'd really like other's POV's on this matter - just don't come down on me too hard for being a "know-it-all father knows best" please. I really just want to steer gonuts in the right direction.

Good luck to you gonuts - and thanks y'all
SEAJ

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 17-12-2011 21:41 ]

My SO being a virgin was indeed a bonus. I didn't try to seek a virgin on purpose, it just happened. I guess just my luck.

So when the time comes for you bro, don't just make virginity a criteria for criteria sake. If the girl clicks with you, explore further, don't be judgemental on her past. You are not a virgin after all, so why must she be one?

FYI, my first 2 GFs aren't virgin and I was ok with it. I wasn't looking for that, I was looking for someone whom I can connect.


@ wander

If it makes any difference, you don't sound like an old preacher...just an old horny monger preacher
Just joking! But I must say what you said is absolutely true.


@SEAJ Sifu

I am doing my best to treat her well....a man couldn't have asked for more with a wife like her. I am one lucky bastard and know it too.

[ Last edited by  Tuffbod at 17-12-2011 21:28 ]

Wow this thread has gotten very deep all of a sudden. So here's my take on things.

Regarding my earlier post about never being the first, I was talking specifically about first punt with a new WG I may meet, and not a Virgin. I would not go down the Virgin root for two reasons, A: likely to be really expensive (and probably not a Virgin anyway) B: more importantly it is no way for a girl to give up her Virginity, would really screw her up I would imagine!

I'm sure most WGs already have a degree of experience, before entering the business, at least they should.

Re bro Go nuts: very big difference between WGs and civvies from a sexual point of view IMO.

For me, with civvies it is much more intimate on both sides, and it is as a result of mutual attraction on both sides. I have been with some quite attractive ones, and some less so. But the attraction is there. And to be honest I am no Greek God myself, and have definitely punched above my weight in that department from time to time.

WGs on the other hand allow me to have a good time with an attractive girl guaranteed, with no strings. However it is just a business transaction, where I am buying and someone else is selling. Of course if there is some chemistry it is great, but doesn't always happen.

Like all the other bros advice given on here, I would try for both, because you will never now the difference.

On a lighter note, do Virgins even exist? I have put them in the same file in my mind as Unicorns, Dragons and Santa Claus (only found out about him last week!)

A girl is only a virgin until you pop her cherry that first time. From then on, I don't see why it matters in terms of trusting her more or less - that is to say, you certainly don't have any physical clues to see if she's cheating. With that said, I get what you're saying. Everyone wants to believe that they're the one that the girl has given herself entirely to, they don't want to think that some other guy took her precious virginity, etc.

There is of course also the romance side to things, where the whole star-crossed lovers were fated to be with only each other. But come on man, you're posting on a forum called sex141, and presumably engaging in some less than pristine acts yourself. Don't sweat it if she was in love with her bf 5-6 years ago and gave it up then.

On another unrelated note, the issue of virginity is fairly ironic sometimes. One of my female friends, worried about her virginity, actually went as far as to make a 'secret pact' with one of her male friends (not myself ) to help her lose it once she turned 21, since she didn't want to be that "weird girl that no guy likes enough to sleep with." It was unfortunate, since she was stupid enough to post about the event on what she thought was a private journal, and someone got a hold of it. Basically, the guy that she had had a crush on for years, who ironically was actually quite smitten with her at the time, ended up hearing about it and seeing the post, was devastated and never recovered from the fact after he found out his friend had taken her virginity in some stupid "pact."

In essence, she lost out on a potential SO, and he lost out on the girl of his dreams, all because there was just too much fuss about whether or not a girl has experienced sex before. It was even sadder because it was one of the potential couples that people would have the "just get a room already" reaction to. Moral of the story, such as it is? Don't sweat the issue of virginity, it really should not be that important.