...so, please consider a comment u made (i've taken it outta context, but that's because i think it's vital):

                                "i feel so nervous"

OK. it's understandable, it's normal. but WHY do u think that is?

this isn't a rhetorical question, i really want u to give it some thought. please consider it: why do u think u "feel so nervous"? we all suffer from nerves now and again. like, public speaking (the #1 fear, believe it). some are naturals at. others are nervous wrecks. some, like me, used to fear it like crazy but after years of speaking in small groups, learning some techniques, finally getting up onstage in front of a group of strangers and doing it RIGHT, i can handle it. it took some time.

but, these steps were things i HAD to do. no one has to visit WGs, and some have suggested that u might be better off not. u seem interested in The Hobby, but why, if it makes you "feel so nervous"?

part of the answer may lie in yr next observation, "i feel that man should lead the girl." well, now that can be a lotta fun, and some women very much like it when u take the reins, so to speak. but is that an absolute? imagine a gorgeous gal who loves sex, but likes to either be in control or to have an equal share in "taking the lead." she likes u and really wants to mix it up. can u relax and accommodate, or does this feeling that u have to "lead" kill the whole deal?

seriously, bro, think about these things. sex is fun, it's fluid, it's a shared experience between two people (well, sometimes more but let's keep it simple), it's not a formula. civilian encounters are different from professional services, and it sounds to me like maybe you should be getting friendly with some civvies--find some common interest, don't start out with "let's fuck." share some mutual experiences with gals, listen to 'em, find common ground.

i don't know u, i cd be wrong, but it sounds like u've set up barriers for yrself, standards, expectations...sexual experiences aren't cookie-cutter. read some reports on this forum, you'll see there's a range of experiences. there's no "right" or "wrong" way to do this. try to be flexible, examine your own motivations. why must you "lead"? who says?

some of my best sexual experiences have been when i took total control. some of my best sexual experiences is when i let myself be totally overpowered. but in most cases (and often with those very same partners), the middle ground, the give-and-take, is where the most fun and the most intense orgasms and found. give and ye shall receive.

we ALL want u to go out and get yr brains fucked out and cum like Vesuvius, am i right, fellow Idle Chatters??

GO, gonuts!

JtB

Gonuts, you've got some kind off distorted idea about sex. Too much porn perhaps?

Everyone have the nerves once in a while, I was nervous too when I had my first WG many years back. What i did was being honest and joke about it with the WG...wouldn't say it was the best experience i had, but it wasn't too bad.

WG isn't exactly the best teacher for what you are looking for. Find a gf, civvies are much better...if you can find a hot MILF who is lonely and have time to kill, even better. MILFs are the best teachers but then again, that will still carry some risks and you have to keep in mind that you should be careful if she has a husband or bf.

WG are merely a tool (pardon my crude expression) for sexual relieve, sometimes maybe for something that you can't get from your SO, but the best sex is still with the one you love without inhibitions and worries.

JacktheBat (reply #2821: gonuts, bro, i love ya to pieces...) is spot on with his reply to you on your questions. Sex is meant to be enjoyed, thinking too much about how to do it and what to do will just add on to the anxiety which you seemed to be having. Exploration is part of the fun...so find yourself a nice civvies gf and learn the art of sexual joys the fun way!

I will be in Bangkok this weekend. Gonna be touching down in Bangkok on Friday late in the evening. I will be going with some family members, but hoping to get a chance to lurk out and have some fun.

I've seen a few threads regarding the places to go and stuff. There is so much information that I'm actually even more confused that I actually was before reading them. But here are my conclusions based on what I've read:

I'm going to be staying at the Intercontinental Bangkok. My preference is massage with some XXX involved, instead of going to bars and stuff. Of course, I can't take the WG back to my hotel for the action. This is the second time I'm visiting Bangkok (the first time was when I was a kid). So I would like to know where to get the best out of Bangkok.

I like young pretty girls. According to what I've read (http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/viewthread.php?tid=3537), I should be heading down to Poseidon, Utopia, Amsterdam, Long Beach, Nancy, Colonze 2, La Defense and IDA Can anyone provide more updated information on the girls provided? I don't have that much time on my hand, and preferrably I would like to try probably one or two places. Which of these places would be the ones I go to right now? How much is the standard cost paid to the papasan? How much tip usually in Bangkok? The post was made in 2008, so I'm thinking there might be some changes now.

As I've said above, I'm new to Thailand. Is there any scam scheme in this kind of places that I should be watching out for?

Thanks for the help in advance!

I have a question for yo guys, dont think its worth a new thread and am having fun on this one thanks Seaj!).
Am I the only here that turns red when I buy those special "fuck a wg condom" with super thick layer or that happens to all of us? Am an average monger with some experience, but when it gets to buy a new box, It freaks me out (also because I may encounter a friend of the SO and that may be hard to explain)!

Me, 17, working in a shop. Her, my manager, 40, 4 kids, in the middle of a divorce.

I can't say I'm proud of the situation I found myself in but I reason that I was technically just a kid.

After a Christmas party we shared a taxi home together. I can't remember who initiated it but we ended up kissing. A week or so later we shagged for the first time ... in her car. Over the next 6 months or so we'd meet up, drive somewhere, shag, then she'd drop me home. Occasionally, if the kids were with their dad I'd spend the night at hers.

She introduced me to anal, squirting, and fisting. Things fizzled out eventually - she met a 50 year old dude that could look after her, I met an 18 year old chick.

I still have a photo of her and I maintain that she was fit for a 40 year old.

I do feel grubby about it though when I think back. She kinda knew my mum and I was kinda friends (not close AT ALL) with one of her boys.

[EDIT] @ SEAJ - we're talking 'old school' photo. Not digital. If I can dig it out I'll take a picture of it

[EDIT2] Oh my days. Just did some cyber snooping on FB and found a recent picture. She looks GRIM.

[ Last edited by  happyfeet at 30-11-2011 14:27 ]

You could just make it look natural. Relax  deep breathe and keep your cool. With anyone you know you could say that you don't want an "accident" to happen.
If your SO sees you then you can try to give her a good time with the said condoms. Say it's for an experiment how do these compare to other condoms and have fun  

hmmm the civvies u guys said, is it a GF ?? i check the glossary and did not found the meaning

yeah. actually i am nervous around girls that i end up being an iron man. few words come out of my mouth and when i try to set a joke to melt the ice. the jokes is unacceptable in my environment . in the end, i only talk when i need something out of species called girl.

so until now, i am a little bit of (scared or confused) on how to get closer to girls. well, actually i would like to have gf asap but stuck on how to get close to girl. so my friend introduce me to play with WG so that i can feel comfortable around girl first(killing two bird with one stone !! but it backfire and get me a new problem i found ). at least i think i have make a decent improvent on this since i am not that nervous around WG anymore.

i am trying to get a GF at the moment. but the difficult thing is finding that common ground with the girls. the type of girls that i like, likely want to have a jerkier and handsome guy with big load of cash to blow. while on the other hand, i am getting close to a girl, but she is not so my type since she is chubby, at least she become my chat friend though because she give me more reply than the girl that i want.


Reply  #2822 Tuffbod's Post
yeah... i want to enjoy sex. thats why i am trying to explore and find out whether i am normal or not

Reply # 2817 Seaj's Post
if civvies is = GF. then i am trying to get one it is just that i am nervous around girl that i stay on my mode

Gonuts, a wg has nothing to do with a gf, its a totally different thing. Gf comes with a different luggage (gfe, cuddling, sharing things others than sex, going to bars / movies). A wg is just the sex and.... Emptying your balls with no strings attached. But lets face it, we like the strings once in a while, thats why we have an SO!

Starting with a wg seems to me like a mistake as I have never been with a civvie thatwould unzip her dress, open my flyer, take lb out and start sucking without us even sharing more than 2 words. It takes different skills but a wg is different.
Now a simple thing you should now about civvies, they are as scared as you and haveas many reasons not to be comfortable. Take your time, talk etc. wg are usually (had some exceptions though) very comfortable with sex.

And one essential point: you are totally normal!

We all bragg about our sex experiences but we are all normal beings....

Edit: to show you how normal I am, I still blush when I buy a box of condoms! Btw thanks for the answers guys, I'll try not to look like a perv when buying my doms next time! If you see a guy buying some and turnng red, that would be me, give me a thumbs up!

[ Last edited by  Frenchexpat at 30-11-2011 14:47 ]

Sex is normal for everyone, so buying condoms are just like buying a pack of cigarettes for me.

I used to have the same problem you are having now, getting embarrassed about buying condoms. But after thinking about it and I start looking at it in a different perspective, i.e. sex is normal, I don't feel that anymore. In fact, if the cashier is a nice young girl, I'd even flirt with them!

For avoiding friends of SO, why not buy them somewhere you are pretty sure you will not bump into any of them?

Damn Happyfeet! She taught you almost all that is to be taught!

Women at 40 usually is at their sexual prime. With all that you learnt from her I am very sure you found most useful with your 18-year-old GF. I'd bet she must have been impressed with your skill and touch! True?

And I'd bet the experience you had with the MILF makes you a better lover in bed too...

Must be a new trend or people are getting deeper pockets!!

3 x JG/KG reports in 24 hrs.  Is this a record or a new trend.  Usually I see about this many in a whole month on the forums but I guess the economy must be good but I just don't see it yet.

- My Parking spaces have increased since only being away for a month,
- Just received a letter from my bank that they are increasing the yearly fee for my safe deposit boxes
- Management fee has gone up for my residence and they haven't upgraded anything?

Oh well done with my ranting and time to take a long 2-4 day break from punting to regenerate some love juice for a good CIM experience. I read a recent poster have a swallow experience

not really, to be honest. The whole fisting thing has never (thankfully) come up with any subsequent GF and the squirting, while kinda cool at first, became pretty annoying once the novelty wore off (always having to fuck on towels or deal with a massive wet patch). I was really into anal after this for a while but not any more.

If anything it probably did more harm than good. I thought of myself as some sort of pro/stud and sex became a mission to prove to everyone that would sleep with me how awesome I was (or thought I was). Could well be why I'm so freaking thrilled now by a blissfully simple effortless HJ from a masseuse in MK.

I've had a few sexual experiences that I think have had a major impact on my life from a psychological POV. But I should probably be speaking to a shrink about them rather than on here

Very normal. It probably happens everywhere bro. Costs are ever increasing. Inflation actually strikes every country with no mercy (dramatized). But well, we just have to live with it.

@happyfeet: LOL! I've never been able to get a girl to squirt. I've searched google and looked for ways to do it. Tried them, but never successful. Damn, how do you do it? Please teach me

Dude, I was 17 no special skills on my behalf. She just happened to be squirty. She squirted naturally every time she came. Hence why it got a bit tedious

There's a theory that every girl can squirt though. When fooling around with an ex we decided to try to make it happen. The technique is to you use the middle finger and pointing finger and firmly make a 'come here' type gesture towards you on the inside of the vag wall (once she's warmed up of course) with your thumb on the clit. She told me that when she was coming it felt like she was going to pee so she would end up focussing on not peeing and therefore not coming. I think if she'd just let go it would have happened so being totally relaxed is important, I guess. It's definitely not pee that comes out though. It tastes like tears! (hehe, that makes me sound very odd!)

hehehe... thanks for the sharing

i am hoping to gain more social network now. i was a hermit of games before. thats why, i did not have many contact with girls. less contact means that less chance for me to get a GF.

i buy condom just once. it really take so much courage just to buy that.
i thought that i should buy my own condom, WG sometimes provide smaller condom which is a little cramp

btw, do you know how to buy a correct size condom ??
last time i buy my own, and check up on the box. i couldn't find where is the size of that condom they write on.

my friends say that there is a japanese made condom that is really thin but fleksible. it really gives out no condom feeling he said. anybody had tried that kind of condom ?
Indonesian's popular condom is just Durex. i think this is standard and pretty thick.

I think you are thinking of okatomo 0.02. It's available in Indonesia, i believe. Also if your dick finds condoms cramped, either you are fitting it wrongly, or you having the makings of a porn star.

I've never inquired about magnum condoms because i am, ahem, average.

[ Last edited by  mrfast at 1-12-2011 12:43 ]

ROFL! I think everyone had the same first experience when buying a condom by himself. I had my share of the fear of embarrassment when I was about to buy my first pack. It was really late at night, and we decided to make love to each other for the first time (it was with my ex) after being steady for a few months.

I was still a virgin at that time LOL! The previous action we had was up to petting and BBBJ (yes, we did not do CBJ), but she actually refused to take me without caps the first time we had sex. So we were in my car driving around late at night, and we went to the mini market at a gas station (it was SHELL gas station). I just parked the car, quickly got off, and stormed into the mini-market and directly moved towards the condom shelf with my eyes fixated on it. Quickly grabbed one, and directlypaid at the counter.

Fortunately enough, the guy at the cashier did not really have much reaction. My ex and I ended up having a great time together before I sent her home pretty late (around 3am).

EDIT: Well, I replied to the wrong post.

[ Last edited by  mrpekz at 1-12-2011 12:56 ]

Ahahaha quite funny.... Mrpekz you opened an old part of my memory I had completely forgotten and that probably explains why I am still uncomfortable with it.

Let me lay on that velvet couch and tell you about it.

It happened... Errr a long time ago....Am a mid age guy and the first time I bought condoms, it wasnt that usual for a teenager to do it as hiv was known but not very clear and nobody really thought it was for real, but the girl I was dating said "dont want to fall pregnant, we need a condom" and then looked at me like "ok, you idiot, I gave you the green light subject to one thing, so now go and buy it!". So I did (and yes, I was an idiot , but when your a teen, you'd do anything to get laid!).

So, went to the pharmacist (thats where you used to buy them in France now you find them everywhere) and picked up... Whatever I saw on the shelf.

Then went to the cashier thinking "you can do that! You reeeeeallly want to fuck that girl its worth it!". Arrived at the cashier the girl (an ugly fat 50 yo lady) looks at me and raises an eyebrow. .. "mmmmm I dont care, wanna fuck that chick" (not the 50yo one! ). So I wait for the price.... Bip goes the machine.... Bip again.... (these systems didnt work that well at the time).  She tries like 5 times and then turns around and litteraly yells at the owner who is doing something in the back of the shop"Whats the price of the (dont remember the brand) condom?!!!!!". There, that was too much for me, I blushed and started sweating... Damnit lady! Just ask me, I'll go and check it out, wanna ask the CIA about it or what? Felt very lonely but ultimately bought them and banged that girl... Was worth every drop of sweat!

Now, thanks for that MrPekz, it was burried somewhere deep in my brain, at least nowthe 50 yo lady wouldnt scare me any more! I owe you a beer for that!

After my 1 hr session with Miss P today which I didn't do a FR on not know where CL gals belong but posted a description in Miss P's Thread.

Went to my local market to buy fruits again for my little one and damn!!!  From a distance the fruit lady started waving and smiling at me.  I don't think she owns that stall and is actually a widow there by marriage or just Hubby can't please her as she gave me every damn signal that she wanted some.

Really don't know how to go a bouts this type of arrangement, but 1 day something is gonna happen.  I don't know how yet but it will happen.

In the mean time, I will just enjoy my half price discounts that she sneaks away and gives me

It's available in Indonesia? Seems like you're also from Indonesia
I usually just buy durex LOL!

Where in Indonesia can I get it? If possible, Surabaya :p