Ok, I've USED THE SEARCH function on Guilin, only 3 reports.  I am going there very soon, any updates?  Thanks bros

i agree. Gift, not money. After all it was SHE who invited you out. I would actually be not surprised if she refused any money as they seem to do that when they have a thing for you.
good work dude. nice to be out with a semi-real date sometimes. you get that anticipation excitement ..... except that you're pretty much guaranteed to get laid. Its a nice fantasy though

OK - yes, I do hate to have to buy gifts.  I never know what to to get - plus, in the case of buying gifts for such purposes, I'm always worried about being caught by the SO doing this; don;t know why but I just do.

I much prefer to just give cash - and I do believe that the gal - especially in Asia - mch prefer this too.

Now, this may not work for every one and for every occassion, but what I do when I want to give cash but also want to lessen the possible "impact" of doing so, I would say things like" you know what, you are perfect in every way, but.... I really hate your undies; do me a favor and shop for some nice ones! Here, if you don't mind, (handing over cash) - no way in hell I'd go shopping with you for undies!!"

Something like that.  And Gift Card?? You gotta be kidding - I think instead THAT would really be hard to explain to the gal why you'd be giving her a gift card!  And besides which, Gift cards have still NOT caught on in most parts of Asia.

SEAJ

Why do some posts require RA, some don't. What's the difference?
Why do 141 mama/papasans not speak english (in H.Kong)? Are they from mainland?
Someone said someone told him, "no foreigners." Why? Do they unrealistically/realistically fear the big dick? (Want people's experiences). Like someone said, if we non-native speaking Cantonese can't peruse 141 website,there's no purpose. We will go elsewhere. This forum will have
not much meaning. (Anyone can defend this?)

Defend??  Defend WHAT precisely??

Look-it bro - before you get yourself in more hot water on this forum, plus to get the most from our forum, I suggest you go to “SUGGESTIONS/GUIDE FOR NEWBIES”
http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/v ... &extra=page%3D1
I'd also recommend that you read the "Forum Guideline" section http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/forumdisplay.php?fid=22
to find out more about the do's and don'ts on this forum before you get yourself in a pickle!!

And what's with this attitude I discern of yours that you feel that the whole world needs English to exist?

But if you find "no meaning" for this forum - welll..... !!

SEAJ

As I was the one who had the two recent 'no foreigner' experiences, maybe I should respond to that point.

1. I have absolutely no problem with them saying 'no foreigners' - but I'd rather they warn me (like Joyce's agent did) BEFORE I make the trip over ALL the way to their hotel, only to THEN be rejected. That is costly, annoying, and humiliating.

2. 'No foreigners' is a preference. That's up to them. If they genuinely don't want foreigners, then fair enough. That's a revenue stream they are losing.

3. Not to 'brag' or anything and I know most gweilos get this from the girls here, but my dick is ginormous. Clearly, this is actually a curse when you want to screw tight, young Asian women.

fjackass makes some good points. i realize that cultures differ, but if u browse the Japanese-escort sites, they make it clear that some ladies are "gaijin-OK"...and you generally pay more. here in HK, we're used to more diversity, but there are times when gwailos are not-OK. much like FJA,i'm fine with this but let us know before we make plans. fortunately, in HK, a backup plan is never far away, but as he points out, it's "costly, annoying, and humiliating."

and as he also points out, that's a revenue stream they're losing. a place like K-Pressure which is proactive in welcoming gwailo biz will get the nod--not only over that punt, but over future punts.

then there's the dreaded GDS (gwailo dick syndrome). yeah, every man's fantasy--and fueled byUSA-porno featuring muscleheads with oversized pistons. it can be really obnoxious...i'm not some outsized-penis freakazoid, but...well, it's on the large side, but usually not a problem. Thai and Vietnamese technicians, great. the exception seems to be SOME mainland dames, absolutely not all. i've never had a problem at a sauna in China, for example--many PRC women don't regard it as anything special. REAL problems are rare, and discernible--it's just not working, and i withdraw and go with plan B as i'm not going to hurt somebody. it can be, as FJA pointed out, a curse.

but the GDS is a state-of-mind. when i first got together with my Japanese galpal, i thought we'd have to use a tablespoon of Astro-Glide every time we had sex. but after 2 or 3 encounters, no problem. i actually asked her about this later on, when we were living together--she shrugged it off and said at first it was difficult but then...she searched for the word: "i have become...ACCUSTOMED." it's really that simple: this was a civvie who'd never had a gwailo boyfriends. considering WGs often have 2 or 3 encounters before teatime, the High Drama of GDS is a bit much.

in general, i'm humbled and honored to be able to monger as freely as i do here in HK and Macau. people are accommodating, and bros share info. for my part, i do my best to be respectful and understanding. if ladies are apprehensive, i do my bit to warm them up and am sure to take things slowly at first. it works almost every time.

JtB

[ Last edited by  JackTheBat at 11-9-2011 12:24 ]

If I may offer another explanation for GDS in China. Quite xenophobic and to a large extent, a bigoted POV. I hope that nobody takes offense and understand that I'm only trying to let you guys see the whole equation from another angle. Please don't shoot the messenger!

HEY ...I'm only relaying to you ONLY from what I know (or think I know) of what goes on in a Chinese WG's mind/PLEASE NOTE that it's NOT my POV at all.

First its all those Western porn (Japanese and other Asian porn too lame) that BBS gals in China regularly gets trained on when they first start (and please note that many-a-KTV gal also gets their start via a BBS, to put together enough funds to be allowed to work at a KTV), and the propensity for Western porn to feature larger schlongs.

This of course already gives them a mindset that ALL Western guys are over-endowed - and pity the poor Westerner who really IS so endowed.

Then there is the mistaken notion that pussy gets tretched out permanently - not remembering that just as there is different size of penises, there is also different size pussies.

And then the sort of pride that a lot of WG's have, that she does not NEED to have to service Westerners - that she's good looking enough/great enough to just stick to Chinese clients/does not need to bother with servicing bottom-of-the-barrel clients. Ooops - that's THEIR POV let me remind you again! LOL!

Then the kicker of this all - the fear of the WG Tom-Tom information/gossip network; that if they go out with a Westerner, that EVERYBODY will know, even the Chinese customers who will then also stay away from them.  And guess what, I've even had more familiar/friendly BBS mommies just matter-of-factly telling me (whether it WAS really to be altrusitic or for whatever reason) to not take a gal or another as she "likes going with Westerners" - just like that!

So its NOT only a fear of the size of a Westerner dick - a lot of this has to do with just their own earning power.

Jack, you make a good point about Chinese sauna gals; well, they are a bit more resigned to their fate/reputation and will usually take all comers - especially since sauna sessions entail very little "outside exposure" to who/what nationality they are really doing it with. And lets face it, as many Dicks as they take up daily - don't really matter what size - its just another dick to them - and their "colleagues" are probably of the same mind, so not such a big deal in a Sauna.

SEAJ

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 10-9-2011 22:46 ]

@skh1411: not a smooth way to start your career in the forum eh? anyway, you should have been going around, reading reviews and guidelines first before saying so. I find HK 141 offers plenty of choices and diversity, even though I only went one (go search for my review in the newbie section) but I find her very welcoming, and no, I don't speak fluent cantonese as well. I only can speak as much as "toilet hai bin do?" (where's the toilet?) LoL

If I'm not wrong, and from what I've heard, in Japan it's even harder since they don't usually like gaijin. But hey, that's only from what I heard. Trust me, HK is VERY welcoming. And I don't even wanna know why do you think they said no foreigners because they are afraid of big dicks, since from the way you speak, I'll figure your universe revolves around you and your dick. congratulation

anyway, if the forum not for you, good bye and good luck with english-speaking-who-don't-fear-big-dicks girls. we wish you good luck

Lets not write off our friend skh1411 just yet, if you don't mind.

All of us were newbies once and I'd betcha all of us also did some boo-boo's in the past. I know I definitey did!!

Its what one does to redeem oneself that is telling. And especially on this thread, where I think we all pride ourselves in having this place as a friendly little enclave and where we are/could be supportive of each other.

And I feel a bit bad that I DID basically start off the charge against him, but please lets not write off skh1411 just yet.

Thanks
SEAJ

hey, even i can manage "toilet hai bin do wah," LOL! next step: "chi-so hai bin do wah," mwah ha ha!

as much as i dislike the GDS, it is minor compared to the Japanese level of xenophobia across the spectrum. social stigma, sexual stigma, everything. u don't even have to go to Japan: try Bangkok, where some bars and massage-parlors will have big signs saying "JAPANESE ONLY"...they're in English because they're to show Japanese customers that English-reading gaijin are banned, therefore the talent is untainted. pretty absurd, eh? i should add that many Japanese people i know feel the same way--but it's a strong culture, and has a history of isolationism. the USA, where i was born and raised, is also historically isolationist and aside from the coasts, hasa high level of xenophobia and monolingualism. as journalist/humorist Nury Vittachi once put it: "Americans are big, very friendly people who know absolutely nothing about Asia and don't care." that's not 100% true of course, but while there might not be signs, a group of Japanese tourists strolling into a honky-tonk tavern in rural Texas might not find themselves welcome.

and Thailand is certainly xenophobic as well--there are MPs with overt dual-pricing systems. one guess who pays the higher prices. this dual-pricing policy applies to more than some massage places, as expat Thailand-residents can attest.

again, i'm glad to be welcomed in HK where the highest hurdle is my language-inability. even so, for the most part everything goes well, both the lady and i have a fun time, at a reasonable rate.

when i lived in Tokyo, i went out on dates that were surreal (anyone see the Japanese film AUDITION, by director Takashi Miike? i've BEEN on dates like the one in the earlier part of the film). once a client came in, a young women who "went out with foreigners," as my boss confided to me in a conspiratorial whisper. you can't say "you mean, with people like me?" to yr boss in Japan. they're just relaying the info. and it was just as SEAJ noted: "just like that." again, it's the culture, and those willing to step outside cultural bounds often find new worlds of interest.

so yes, "everyone knows" as SEAJ mentioned. and i can appreciate the social stigma. but...in Coronet Court?? never had any complaints when the gwailo picks a gal from a lineup in Zhuhai or Macau, it's just not a big deal. we have fun and if i put some effort into learning some basic Mando, we'd have even more fun.

as for the porn...sigh. anyone who's had real sex and watched porno knows that porn is a lengthy advertisement, and advertisements lie. i'm all for eroticism and fantasy, but some gal who's not familiar with varieties of penii ought not to be using porno as a YARDstick (pun intended). those guys are chosen from a large sample in southern California (tho many came from elsewhere) and the main criterion is an outsized penis. guy's shy or exhausted? give him more Red Bull and Viagra! imagine being a naive WG and watching these sweaty models schlonging some silicon blondie, her storebought titties banging against his forehead as she screams "FUCK ME U RED-MEAT-MONSTER!" or whatever bullshit. what a load of steaming whaleshite!

then there's the Japanese variety: Korean WGs are prized in California, for example. Singapore too, where they're advertised as "100% pure Korean"--then they get to HK, the agent slaps some fake Japanese name on them and tells them they must pretend to be Japanese. so they practice a few J-phrases and squeal like they're in a Japanese porno, the guy forks over an excessive amount of cash and thinks, wow, i banged a gal like in the Japanese pornos. no, u didn't. u banged a Korean gal who wd prefer to be ID'd as Korean but has no choice.

if u wanna bang a REAL Japanese porno star, u had yr chance last month in Macau--it was advertised on this board. there will be other chances...needless to say, it's not Sham Shui Po prices but you CAN fulfill yr fantasy. or would you rather buy a designer watch? your choice, bro. but yes: these are REAL Japanese porn stars: u can buy their DVDs and think, "i was there, yes, right THERE." on the other hand, if u speak some Korean, u can have a great time with these fake "JGs"...i know one guy in HK who does that, and they love it. they can be what they are, and that's a good thing.

porn skews the equation for us gwailo punters, Chinese WGs and Korean WGs. it's a shame: i've had great times with Chinese WGs and it's too bad that those who've literally run away didn't have the opportunity to enhance their revenue because they thought i would ruin their precious part with a mythic meatclub. it's too bad KGs have to pretend to be JGs in HK, when they can be advertised as 100% Korean in Singapore and other places.

long-winded rant, but these stereotype-vectors are multi-directional. i had a great time with the Thai ladies over at the Mido as they aren't used to the fast-paced culture here, don't like the food, and appreciate that i can speak Thai to a passable level and like to have fun. they told me to write up reports so they can get MORE gwailo biz, and some definitely did! while the Chinese-side of this forum is much larger, there was a case where my reports helped these girls out. so, silver lining to every cloud.

have fun out there!

JtB

[ Last edited by  JackTheBat at 11-9-2011 13:45 ]

I'm really dead meat now for sure!!

I've just taken on the Great Goose and for sure I'm gonna get creamed!!
After all, he IS the Great Goose!!
Wanker extra-ordinaire!!

Oh poor poor SEAJ - you're dead meat now!!

LMAO - whilst getting killed!!

SEAJ

I read a lot on this thread but this is actually the first time I post here. I never posted here because I thought I had nothing clever to say or nothing to add to other bros posts.

So first of all, thanks bro Seaj for this very interesting thread.

As many of you already know, English is a foreign language to me. And even if I almost understand anything, there's always some misinterpretations/misunderstanding. Today, I read the glossary of the forum and... I just discovered the true meaning of LFK... I know that DFK means Deep French Kissing, so I always thought LFK goes for Light French Kiss... But it's not !   Light Face Kissing... For me the difference between DFK and LFK was just the intensity...  

You could think it's nothing but I should change all my reports... Or not.

Yeah, I now, I'm stupid and this post is not clever nor interesting either and maybe I shouldn't have post it. But... It actually gave me the pretext to post here for the first time.

Moreover, as bro Seaj always quote "When in Rome, do as the Roman do.", I'll do as he does and advertise for my new report in the mainland section. It's actually a new episode of Jun Hao Sauna in Shanghai, but this time with pics. Yes, for once, a SH SN girl allowed me to take some pics of her. No face, but a great body to show you.

And again, as bro Seaj would do, I give you one extra pic (not the best, ok, but it's a teaser... )

[ Last edited by  slysh at 11-9-2011 23:38 ]

I always (going back 10+ years of punting) took LFK as "light French kissing" the same as you.  The difference between LFK and DFK would be the intensity.  I've never read the glossary here since I already knew most of the terms but this comes as a surprise.  Or a difference in interpretation in Asia?

I take LFK as kissing anything on or around the face/neck.  Even lips to lips.
DFK goes further by using your tongues for increased intimacy and passion.  Some WGs don't like this because it's too intimate and for them this is their job not their actual sex life.

For me LFK was kissing lips to lips, with some light tongue use. Opposed to DFK with "heavy" tongue use.

ie DFK is lips to lips, open mouths and tongues fight... Like the French do. While LFK the mouths are less open and it's just a gently "licking tongue contest".

Anyway, we were wrong apparently. ^^

Hello... I am new here...

Wooohooo 3p action in Guilin with red rope and all.  Detailed report when I get back from trip.

cp141 - haha. just a regular joe.

SEAJ - thanks for the warm welcome. i just post from the heart and sometimes when there is inspiration.

Hi guys.

Thank you all for the various feed back on my last post regarding seeing a FS sauna girl outside.

Here is another topic which I would like to discuss with you bros here.
"Do FS sauna girls in HK bring their own condom to work ?"
http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/v ... &extra=page%3D1

This post has actually been posted previously on the sauna section ending up receiving no replies at all for the past 2 weeks...

Hope I can hear your valuable replies soon.

Thank you.

I would do LFK, but not DFK with WGs. There are some things that I would not do, like dining at the Y. Would do painting with normal girls, but not WGs. Instead I would use bullet vibrators, fingering to get them to come. What would you guys do and don't do with WGs?