Since there is no more News forum I am forced to report this here for lack of a better place.

The following is an article on Nov.27th From The Economist print edition.

Sex, death and the law in Hong Kong

Easy prey
Nov 27th 2008 | HONG KONG
From The Economist print edition

The law may be endangering prostitutes in Hong Kong


JUST after midnight on November 23rd, the landlady of a building in an older district of Hong Kong checked on one of her tenants, a prostitute. The
sheets were bloody and the woman was dead, apparently strangled. The murder was similar to four killings that occurred in March—three in the New
Territories on the mainland, one on Hong Kong island. The investigation that followed quickly led to the arrest of one man accused of the first three
killings and another for the fourth, deemed to be a copycat crime.

The latest death has prompted police to raid prostitutes’ haunts and scrutinise footage from Hong Kong’s ubiquitous video cameras. Critical clues in the
March killings were said to include video images and the use of an electronic pass for the city’s metro that allowed police to trace a suspect’s movements. But as effective as the Hong Kong police may be in capturing criminals, the murders have raised a wider question: rather than protecting prostitutes, are Hong Kong’s laws contributing to their deaths?

Seeking to ensure that women are not forced into prostitution, Hong Kong makes it illegal for anyone but the prostitute to profit from her services. A
laudable sentiment, perhaps. But the consequence is that a sex worker in Hong Kong may not hire the basic protection an office worker would expect,
nor is she permitted under the law to share her quarters with other women. As a result, prostitutes are uniquely vulnerable.

To some extent, this vulnerability is mitigated by the triads—local gangsters —and by informal co-operation among prostitutes. But the informal support is of limited use against a violent client, and providing business opportunities for gangsters is hardly desirable.

A recent Hong Kong court decision raises more awkward questions. On May 15th the owner of a website that carried advertisements for prostitutes was sentenced to 18 months in jail for conspiring to live off prostitutes’ earnings. By this standard, who else might be guilty? Local newspapers carry
solicitation advertisements, and could in theory be prosecuted (none has been), as could landlords, doctors who treat prostitutes and even, notes one
legal critic, the Water Authority, which enables a prostitute to take a shower—sometimes presumably with a client. Plainly, better and clearer rules are
needed.

http://www.economist.com/world/a ... m?story_id=12708142

A lot of implications to a monger here besides potential video survalance.  This  is not a government where you are innocent until proven guilty.  I
presume the website they are refering to is 141 as the there has been numerous on the two owners trial.

http://zonaeuropa.com/20051005_3.htm

[ Last edited by  Chewey at 1-12-2008 06:39 ]

Thanks for the heads up. A very interesting topic. But no time to go through it now. Will save it for later.

Do you this prostitution will be illegalized here in HK ?

It wont be answer....people (like us ) will just be lie low..but will be mongering wherever possible....

Here are some interesting points from the 2 press articles.

1. "A prostitute is not permitted under the law to share her quarters with other women."
Beware all you bros in Tai Po.

2. www.sex141.com is technically an illegal website.
So, are bros who participate in 141 forums supporting this illegal website? Soul searching required.

3. "Local newspapers carry solicitation advertisements, and could in theory be prosecuted (none has been), as could landlords, doctors who treat prostitutes and even, notes one legal critic, the Water Authority, which enables a prostitute to take a shower—sometimes presumably with a client."
In effect you cannot take money from a prostitute. This means prostitutes are entitled to free advertising, rent, medical, water, electricity, food and whatever you can think of. Lucky bitches.

4. 141 charges the girls $4,000 as listing fee.
Wonder is that on a monthly basis.

I thought it was $1000/month?  I remember asking one of them and that was what I was told.  To me that seemed like a very small figure to charge but then again there's almost 1000 advertisements on the website.  That's almost HK$1 million a month

The whole thing is too ambiguous.  So many people can be prosecuted for profiting from a WGs work depending on how the law is interpreted.  This could include:

1.  The landlord who receives rent for the girls.  I hear the girls pay a rediculous amount of rent for such a small room in Fuji.
2.  The towel cleaner guy
3.  The takeaway delivery boy who delivers takeaway to the WGs so they don't need to leave their flat
4.  Fuck it, while we're at it, lets prosecute the 7-Eleven store over the road from Fuji building for selling condoms.  I'm sure a large majority of bros don't bring their own condoms but of the bros that do and buy it from the store convienently placed over the road. they're guilty of profiting from it.  The WGs themselves probably go over there and stock up on condoms.

So in the end WGs have no buildings to work from because all the landlords have been locked up, shops aren't allowed to sell condoms anymore because WGs were buying them with their hard earned cash, WGs can't wash their towels because the electricity and water companies were profiting from them so WGs are working from the streets where no one will charge them rent, bros have no condoms but its reached a point where they can't take it anymore and go in bareback anyways, a HIV epidemic breaks out and Hong Kong dies of AIDS; all because some genius thought he had it all figured out on the laws of prostitution in Hong Kong.

[ Last edited by  cantgetenough at 1-12-2008 22:37 ]

Most probably the girls have to pay an initial fee of $4,000 for photographs and the creation of their webpage. Then it's $1,000 pm to be listed in the database. Ever which way these guys are making a bundle. Must agree this concept is fantastic. Everybody wins. Us bros too. Too bad the government thinks otherwise.

with the amount of money they make, i cant believe bros are worried that they will take down the english forum!

mods should even ask for incentives if they dont have none!

forgive me my naivety, but do WG's in HK declare their income and pay income tax?  I ask this because in OZ we have legalised brothels where the WG's pay tax.

i really really doubt it! and its not just working girls too cos hk doesnt seem taht stict when it comes to tax!

in uk now, every few thousand pounds have to be declared when i ever i go bank!

when i go hk and stuff in half a million hkd! no one ask a single thing!

could have been drug money.

could have been undeclared income.

no one really checks

thanks for the input stg, if thats the case then it is no wonder there is a lot of illegal activities.

macau casinos is also a very good place for triads to launder their money

wow..1Million. now I am thinking of setting up my own 141 site..but this time also mongerers pays before entering ..hehehe

[ Last edited by  kantotsupa at 2-12-2008 09:57 ]

you better let me be moderator if you do

Yes you could take this further and implicate the guys in Wanchai Computer Centre who sold you your computer that you use to look at this site and of course PCCW who gives you the internet access.

For those of you who surf at work like me, it is possible that my employer, who provides the internet access to me and my computer as part of my job, will be implicated as well.

Prostitution is a necessary evil. The government doesn't want the number of sexual offences shooting up. That's why they have been pretty lenient so far. One eye open one eye shut. All the things they do to control the trade is for show only. If not, we HK guys would not have it so good. They just don't want the triads involved and cause chaos and social instability. I don't think we have anything to worry about.

Perhaps your employer, who provides the internet access to to you and your computer as part of your job, will start firewalling sites and install software to monitoring employee internet activities.  This is a common practice in Western countries purely from a productive standpoint rather than a liability or legall issues.  Certain Western companies have issued orders to their employees to stop smoking completely or be fired justifying their actions on the savings the company would obtain from their health insurance provider from having not to insurer smokers. This is currently being tested in the courts.

Just think. ALL our mothers are guilty as hell for just giving birth to us!

And that money has to be spent on webmaster/designer, software, software licnesses, servers, phones, photographers, secretary, photoshop artist, utilities, transportation, isp provider, government taxes and although I missed some LAWYERS. Of course, on a positive note, some of this expense is offset by the advertisement present on the site as this site is ranked 33 in Hong Kong. Its a trend that is causing printed matter (newspapers) to lose a lot of revenue.
                                                                  

Sex141.com users come from these countries:
Hong Kong 70.6%
Indonesia 5.0%
United States 4.9%
Australia 2.8%
China 2.8%

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Sex141.com traffic rank in other countries:
Hong Kong 33
(that is going to bring in some nice Advertising dollars)
Macao 423
Brune i537
Singapore 1,064
New Zealand 1,585
Malaysia 1,635
Indonesia 1,881
Australia 2,439
Taiwan 3,158
Thailand 4,910
Canada 9,655

Where people go on Sex141.com:  
sex141.com - 99%
forum.sex141.com - 1%

Interesting that the sites traffic has gone up since the Thailaind Airport has been shut down.

[ Last edited by  Chewey at 2-12-2008 15:03 ]

An astute comment.  I have really enjoyed reading your posts especially the one about the rubber doll. If you were from the States, I don't think you would have any trouble obtaining a job as a writer for a series such as Californication.  When I see a fellow employee wearing a pink shirt I always comment to him that it takes a man with a strong sense of his masculinity to wear that, but after reading your report on a Rubber Doll I will never say that again till I see someone walk in the office with a rubber doll.