Subject: Cute activist chick gets tackled...and attention
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Cute activist chick gets tackled...and attention

Most people in Hong Kong are now familiar with Christian Chan, a Tibetan activist and university student who get tackled on camera by police.  She was protesting along the Olympic flame route last week and agitated a crowd.  An overwhelmingly number of Hong Kongers clearly love their Olympics and don't share her views.  

If you're not familiar with the tackling incident, please view this video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WCL9hSRiSvw (1:05 to 1:30 segment).

Anyways, if you're a guy, your first thought should be "damn, no way chicks this cute can get so crazy about politics!"  Here she is on some talk show after the incident:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=p1NBxzO27bk&feature=related

Now, my suspecions are partly confirmed.  SHe was interested only in attention.  There are stories that she tried to be a model.  And there are tons of photos of her being in a bikini and in provocative poses.  Check it out:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2PDDTso78TU&feature=related
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Post at 9-5-2008 04:29  Profile P.M. 
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Serves that cunt right!

I would have copped a feel when she was down.
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Reply #1 furryfriend's post

pretty tight little package....
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Why are we not surprised?  




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I wonder if that bearded gweilo guy with her at the protests is her boyfriend?  (he was also in some pics with her in the SCMP) Anyway, she is pretty cute if misguided.  I think she is going to become "rent a quote" as she fulfills all the media's fantasies
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Yeah....I will definitely wanna fcuk her........




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yeah I'd hit that!
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She really shouldn't olympicise her politics.




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Tibet

The Tibet issue isn't going away after the Olympics and, unless the Chinese government
wakes up, it might easily lead to the downfall of China.




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Reply #9 Jake's post

jake:



...that's a typical statement from an englishman...

...as to this chick, i'd like to do a dr. mengele on her pussy...fucking dumb ass attention seeking whore...

...she should just fuck her way to fame rather than try to appear fucking intelligent when she don't know squat...
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The ugly, unprovoked attack on this girl finally proved to me one thing - Hong Kong is now really a part of China.
Any semblance of British tolerance is gone. But I'm telling you - China is headed for a fall. This idea that China is
going to join the great powers of the world is a pipe-dream. It's always going to be a backward, unsophisticated
little country.




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jake:

...ok mr frigging nostradamus...
...that is what the west said 2 centuries ago but....

...where the hell is britain but the lap dog of uncle sam?...
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Wrong.

Unless there is something catastrophic, like a nuclear war, China will have the fastest growing economy for the next quarter century.  That is a fact.

How exactly would Tibet cause the downfall of China?  Do you really think the rest of the world gives a shit about Tibet?  Despite Tibet and despite your assertion that China is a backwards and unsophsiticated country, the entire world begs to do business with them.  Go to any business school in America or Europe and you'll see white guys frantically learning Chinese.

England had to abandon Hong Kong because the British would get their ass kicked in an armed conflict with the PLA.

I have no loyalty to Beijing, just stating the obvious.

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Putting aside the question of China's historical claim to rule Tibet, one thing is obvious in all of this: very few Chinese people are capable of looking at the issue of Tibet objectively. The Chinese accuse Western news organizations of biased coverage of the Tibetan problem, yet everyone knows the CCP strictly controls every word published on the Mainland. Very few Chinese read foreign languages, and even if they could, the CCP controls access to foreign print and news media, so that the only point of view heard on the Mainland is the CCP's party line. No other country in the world today so actively denies its people access to uncensored information. I have Chinese friends in the States who have told me that if you want an historically accurate view of 20th-century China, you have to read works written by scholars in the West because what is published in China is not history but propaganda. The same thing was true of the Soviet Union.

On the question of Tibet, the difference between foreign news coverage on one hand, and China's view on the other, is so stark that it's obvious that one side has to be distorting the issue. Bear in mind, that all foreign news organizations - US, German, Brit, Italian, French, Japanese, etc. paint a very different picture of the Tibetan problem. It is absurd to think there is some vast conspiracy in these countries, where the media is not government controlled, to slander and split China. Normally in the West there is a diversity of opinion on any topic, yet they all look at the Tibetan issue differently from the Chinese - as do most scholars and academics in those many countries. In fact, what is remarkable to a Westerner is that when one hears Chinese opinion about Tibet, one is aware that what is being expressed is the opinion of all Chinese - individuals and government. This kind of monolithic viewpoint is never encountered in the West on any issue.

And while it is true that the foreign news media does seem to dwell exclusively on China's shortcomings, there is a great deal of sympathy and admiration for China on economic, social, cultural and historical issues. China doesn't get savaged in the European/world press nearly as often as the US does, yet we don't think there is some conspiracy to destroy America.

That all Chinese speak with one voice on Tibet is due to love-of-country reasons. Given Chinese pride and resentment about the relatively recent foreign humiliation of their country, you have a situation driven by an intense nationalist sentiment that is not tempered by reason. Recently, a Chinese student at the University of Washington in Seattle attempted to act as a referee between a group of Chinese students and some Tibet supporters. For merely trying to be neutral, she received death threats, her home address was published on the web and her parents back in China were forced to go into hiding. Even the mayor of her home city denounced her!! For merely suggesting that the two sides should talk to each other she was branded a traitor to the Motherland. (see: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/1 ... =1&oref=slogin)  What kind of rational examination of Tibet is possible in this kind of atmosphere?

Whether you agree with her opinion or not, the thuggish way in which the aforementioned HK girl was manhandled by the police does not bode well for future democratic rights in HK. Instead of mocking her, you should be worried about your rights to freely express your opinion when HK is fully integrated back into the Mainland. Freedom of thought does not mean the freedom to think what every one else does. Democracy means being able to say what you think, even if unpopular, without some government goon knocking you down. I know that HK citizens are very concerned about these issues, but when Tibet is mentioned, everyone suddenly becomes a Red Guard waving his copy of the little Red Book.

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The police did not manhandle her to silence her.  She was clearly taunting a hostile crowd and police had to protect her.  Look at the video yourself.  She was screaming and waving a sign and a physical altercation was imminent.  Yes, the crowd contained a bunch of lawless hoodlums.  But it's either remove her or remove the mob.  If cops weren't there, she could be in the hospital right now doing facial reconstruction surgery.

The truth is, there were thousands of protestors that day.  They were extensively covered by media.  If the police were to silence people, these thousands of protestors would also have been removed.  Most protestors didn't taunt the crowd, so there were no police incidents.

The reason Hong Kongers waves their "little Red Book" on Tibet is, nobody there gives a shit about Tibet.  It's not about following the party line or being brainwashed.  Name ONE reason why Hong Kongers would give a shit.  I am an educated Hong Konger -- and Tibet don't mean shit to me.

As for China being a place of censorship, you're absolutely right.  BUT, most Western websites are available.  Many Chinese hate CNN because they think CNN is anti-China.  How do they know about CNN?  Because it isn't censored!  CNN and other western news websites are freely available.

I'm not defending China.  They are clearly an undemocratic regime who supports dictatorships in Africa.  But 95% of Hong Konger will tell you that they're as free today as they were under British rule.  That's because Hong Kong has been untouched since 1997.  I'm in Hong Kong twice a year.  I cannot name a single freedom I've lost since 1997.  

Just because Hong Kongers don't give a shit about Tibet doesn't mean they're informed or not free to think otherwise.

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Reply #15 furryfriend's post

The only video I saw shows the girl being violently tackled from behind by a cop. Since when do the police use violence against someone to protect them from lawbreakers. However, if the girl really was in danger of being harmed, doesn't that confirm everything I wrote above about intolerance of dissent on the Tibet problem?

The only thing the average mainland citizen knows about what appears on CNN or in the pages of the NYTimes is what they read in the Chinese-language blogs, or is CNN broadcast in Chinese on the Mainland?

I've never spoken to a HK resident who "didn't give a shit about Tibet", but if you don't care about Tibet, why parrot the standard line - that makes no sense whatsoever.

I never said that HK people are not free now - the question is what happens later. And this is a question that many HK citizens are concerned about - except perhaps those who have dual citizenship.




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Originally posted by Marsupial at 10-5-2008 06:57 PM
I've never spoken to a HK resident who "didn't give a shit about Tibet", but if you don't care about Tibet, why parrot the standard line - that makes no sense whatsoever.

What standard line?  I don't have a line on Tibet because I don't care one way or the other.   I am not aware of Tibetian history and politics and have no inclination to learn.  

Can you name three LARGE pro-Tibetian organizations based EXCLUSIVELY in Hong Kong?   Since you claim HKers are so concerned about Tibet, this assignment should be pretty easy for you.

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Originally posted by Marsupial at 10-5-2008 06:57 PM
Since when do the police use violence against someone to protect them from lawbreakers.

Because in Hong Kong, we do not allow people to harm themselves in public.  Do not expect police to stand idly by to give a mob an opportunity to beat her to a pulp.

I am not defending lawbreakers.  Many in the crowd are a bunch of mainland hoodlums.  But as a practical measure, when hoodlums outnumber police 100-to-1, you have to do the practical thing to protect her.  And the practical thing is to move her to safety.
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Anyways....

fuck politics.  I'm not here to argue politics.

Check out these photos of her:

http://imagefly.info/view_galler ... gal=6366&page=1

This is NOT a women who cares about Tibet.  I don't care what you say.  SHe's doing it to get exposure!!
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Reply #17 furryfriend's post

Don't pretend to be stupid - the standard line is that Tibet is China's property, the Dalai Lama is the devil, and that if you don't agree, you're an enemy of China.

So you're an exception, what does that prove?

Pro-Tibet organizations based in HK? That has got to be a trick question. I'm supposed to say there can't possibly be any because the Chinese are rabidly anti-free Tibet, and then you triumphantly prove me wrong?

I must say the HK police have a very interesting way of moving innocent people to safety.   

It doesn't matter whether the girl really cares about Tibet or not, she has a right to say what she wants without being beaten up.

But you're deliberately misunderstanding the entire point of my original post, which was to say that objective discussion of the Tibetan problem with mainland Chinese is impossible.

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Hey Falun Gong is around in HK...and very active and visible!  Why would police raid pro-Tibet organizations but leave Falun Gong alone?  Maybe the police aren't as politically oppressive as you believe?

She has every right to say what she wants...and the cops are bound by duty to protect people, even if it's against their own will to be protected.

If I were going to burn myself alive in Statue Square to protest something, the police will try to save my life, even if saving my life means they stop me from expressing myself.

I agree there is no objective discussion of Tibet in mainland China.  That is beyond debate.
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