Once a Working Girl, always a...,

We all have heard a million disaster stories of Bros falling for WGs only to be screwed over in the end.  Emotionally, financially, ruined families.., etc. Etc.  Yet, new Bros seem to keep going down this path thinking their situation, their girl is different.  Unlikely.  I, myself, fell head-over-fucking-heels for one.., but luckily never allowed it to make me do something foolish (but I thought about it!  Had a messed up head for a while as I fought off the demon).

I know some say it is unfair to to say all WGs are untrustworthy.  But...  I have come to think that most of them who stay in the biz for more than a very short time do indeed think different than the average non-WG girl.  They become like us, in fact!  If they were males they would be punters.  I am not saying we are bad people who rip people off, but one thing that all of us are (that have SOs) is unrelentingly unfaithful.

I now have several regulars (all WGs initially, though some turned into FBs now) that have become married, engaged, or are living full-time with boyfriends yet still meet me regularly for a quick secret fuck.  Some paid, some not.

I am writing this now purely because a recent event triggered the thought.  I met a regular yesterday who begged to see me quickly as she had "big big news!".  We meet, she excitedly tells me she got engaged last nite to some gweilo.  So happy!  We fucked for hours!  Not 12 hours had elapsed since her boyfriend proposed.  She's a sweet, happy, little ball of fun and I have little doubt she treats him like her king when they are together.  But she has absolutely no hesitation to jump into the sack with me (and others) the minute his back is turned.  He'll learn this one day and I am sure will be quite shattered by it.

Case 2:  Last spring I screwed my sweet Joann the day after her wedding, (!!!!!) and I  still see her weekly up to this very day.  We're even planning a little 2 day getaway together.  In this case, she plainly told me, "I don't love him, but he is a decent man who takes care me and my family.., you wouldn't marry me so I married him".  He'll discover her secrets one day...

Case 3:  A former WG, Helen, is still using me to help "train" her live-in boyfriend to fuck her better (secretly, of course - I coached her how to push his buttons to get him to do what she likes.  It worked!! And she screwed me to celebrate how much better he has become!  Haha).  She LOVES sex!  Her only fear, like us, is getting caught - not a concern that she's doing wrong.

And on and on and on!  

At some point these gals become like us - simply not equating sex and love like most girls do.  They get married for security mostly.  Tricking the guy into thinking her love for him is eternal and he's the only one.  But they are completely willing to fuck-around on their SO without much guilt just for fun or to earn an extra bit to buy that new mobile (or whatever).  I see it and have been the other-guy (likely one of several) over and over and over.

The gals who try the WG life and exit quickly (within months) are the ones whose personalities do not let them go down this path.  They escape likely never to try again and probably become faithful spouses.  The rest??  I think they essentially become female punters --  but given they are hot gals they don't need to pay.  Just hit a bar and wait for us.  

The one gal I went crazy for, Joann, I realize I would NEVER trust if we were together.  (Nor would she ever really trust me).  And for good reason both ways.  

So..., I merely hope this little post might help a Bro who is smitten to treat the relationship as it is - fun, sweet maybe, sexual as hell probably, an ego boost most likely....., but nothing more.  Have fun but check your heart and wallet at the door.

Well thats already part of their lives, meeting and fucking strangers just make their lives more exciting.
They're already exposed to different kinds of sex and they knew what will satisfy them so its just impossible for them to be contented in fucking one man.
They marry just for the purpose of security reasons but other than that, its nothing to them.
You can buy their company and body but you just can buy their love and their soul.

Yeah, it is certainly true that many civvie gals are unfaithful as well - But WGs are self-selecting in this trait.  My point, I suppose, that while any relationship poses this risk, it is infinitely higher with a former WG.  Indeed, I think the likelihood she'll be screwing others is sooo high that it would be utterly foolish to bet against it and attempt to build a relationship with one.

The exception would be if you want an "open" relationship.  I don't think I could ever manage it - knowing my SO was banging someone else wouldn't work for me.  Hypocritical, yes, but I never claimed to be perfect.

wander kiinky king,
what's your secrets that you have some WGs crazy over you?

A new WL in Sydney asked me for my number as we were both Korean and same age and said she was new to Sydney and said she knew no one. I spent around a month of no sex just studying together going lunch/dinner then she slept over my house once as no trains at night and stuff happened. After that we went trips together and had lots of fun times having free sex. Of course I paid for trips and dinner and stuff but I would usually do this with my girlfriend. She eventually went back to Korea. I think this is a rare case where I had genuine friendship with WL. She still talks to me sometimes on Kakaotalk and asks me some questions for her english study. I don't expect anything from her when I go korea. She has never asked me for money and said she was always thankful for my friendship.

Rare and far far in between. One in a Million. Jackpot.

Its funny how we punters cannot accept our SOs being who we are and doing what we do...

Hyprocrisy aside, should faithfulness be a one-way street?

If TRUST is an issue here, would IGNORANCE be the answer?



Its time for a beer

yes please share us your secrets.

Wander just lives a great life of his many harem of women!

It's quite hard...being in the industry that they are (were), they're trained to survive. And while I hardly hold that against them, it also prohibits me from trusting any of them.

Maybe it's mean / evil / horrible for me to say this...but i treat them like i do coveted toys. Treat them well, polish them, treat them well...but if they're lost....broken....or whatever....meh. toys....

~UD

For those that have read many of my posts and reports, this will be repetitive.  But it is key.

My "secret" for having so many of these "girlfriends" is less about "me" and more about WHO I punt with, and HOW I punt:

1)  I REPEAT often with the same gal.  If you are the type who doesn't repeat (which is fine, do as you wish) don't expect to ever get this kinda GFE where they throw freebies at you, turn into FBs, or whatnot.  You have to build a relationship and it takes more than an hour session to do so.

2)  I punt, almost exlusively, with FREELANCE BARGIRLS.  To me, and to them, the barscene is more "normal" (like a one-nite-stand) and the girls less hard-core (they see a few guys a week versus 5 or more a day.  BIG differance).  

By repeating with bargirls I have already set myself up for success.  You spend time with her in the bar to see how you click.  You are having fun and chatting and getting to know each other before ever hitting the bed the first time.  The ones where there is no connection are tossed early.  So you see, I've already filtered the gals down to those that are enjoying themselves with me (or are damn good and faking it).  As I repeat more often we get to know a lot about each other.  I enjoy learning about them and I suppose they sense my genuine interest.  They feel safe and comfortable.

Freelancers have no schedule, but are free to meet you whenever and for however long they wish.  Overniters, nooners, a weekend.  They are very open to relationships and boyfriends to get them out of the bar for a while (too open, in fact, as they fall into "girlfriend" mode VERY quickly if they think you have potential).

These two facts likely account for 85% of my success.

Yes I am fit and trim; yes I am somewhat wealthy; and yes I am a triple-A-rated-lover (hehe).  This doesnt hurt, but I dont disclose my wealth to them nor do I "dress to impress".  With the gals I am just nice, funny, respectful, a good fuck, and interested in them and of "us" having a good time together.

So, an easy secret:  REPEAT WITH BARGIRLS.  And be nice.

I would think that bargirls would be especially prone to the punter's mentality.  The fact that they can set their own hours, can pick and choose, and generally have fun is a mongering life.  It has become a lifestyle.  The only difference is that for us the money is flowing in the wrong direction.

Contrast that to someone working in a hotel, walkup, or brothel, where they have limited to no choice, a fixed workplace, and fixed hours, with much fewer chances of building relationships - Maybe more like being a hairdresser than a girlfriend.

thanks Wander
good tips!
how do you describe these lover rating? one rating, two and three?

I just saw Joann today.  (she's married now, though single when we first met in Wanchai)

Yeah.., she's the one who I was (and am) totally smitten with.  I went rather nuts for her before I pulled back the reins and calmed the fuck down.  The one and only time I've "lost it" with a gal - one out of many, many hundreds.  Still.., it's been over 3 years with her now and every time she walks in the door I still go "Holy Shit!  Look at her!!!".  Just a stunningly beautiful and sexy woman.  Seems to get more beautiful every year.  And smart.  And funny.  And a great lover.   And.., ahh christ, dont get me started!  Haha.

Anyway, we meet, we kiss, we hug, we screw, snuggle, screw again.  And talk.  She says, again:  "I will leave him for you.  Just ask me to be with you.., just ask!".  But, I am past this now with her.  I know I could never ever trust her if we were together.., so in these moments I instead think of the guy she's now married too.  A guy that I am sure is wondering every time he leaves for work were the hell his wife is.  Well.., sorry mate.., but she's fucking me!  And maybe others too (though she SWEARS to me I am the ONLY one!  Haha.  Sure, babe.  You're the only gal I'm fucking too!).  Ohh, and she says she'll leave your sorry ass in a heartbeat if I ask her to!  Fuck..., that's cold!   

I often wonder what the HELL that guy was thinking when he married her (they met in WanChai aswell, so he knows her past)?!?  That she could go from top-shelf-bargirl to faithful-bored-housewife in an instant?!?  WTF?  Hmm, no doubt he was thinking what I was at one point --- but he couldn't pull back to right-thinking, as I did, soon enough.  

A shame.  He seems like a decent bloke.

Bro's..., just heed these stories.  Very, very few happy endings.

[ Last edited by  wander at 6-10-2011 18:48 ]

you two have excessive dopamine system in the brain

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1876113,00.html
http://www.oprah.com/omagazine/Find-Your-Love-Type/3

i am too, and i find explorer girl amazing too, but i wouldn't trust them for long term unless they grow some serotonin in their brain

omg this can be a book later on. its interesting and so revealing, its awesome

I agree with that. Doing repeats can be more comfortable for some. But I've got a mate who wants to do as many females in his life - so whatever floats your boat, thats what i tell him!

But when the going gets tough and hes got urge, a big momma would be the night's result if unlucky

So I can't help but wonder, you do tend to hear about the bad stories as people want to vent, or warn others to avoid their mistakes. But is the lack of happy endings, no pun intended, simply because they are few in number, or because no one in their right mind would go out and label their wife as a former WG turned faithful housewife? I mean if everything was going well for some of these guys, why potentially stir up shit by posting your story on a forum for others to read?

A very good point, Amphibean.  I have read about a few "happy endings" (not many) in other anonymous forum's, but I think you are right..., a guy wouldn't be inclined to promote this part of his wife's history if they've moved past it into a normal happy relationship.

Still, I think they are few and far between and my own experiences with these gals (being their FB after they get into a "committed" relationship) just further confirms it to me.

In thinking about my long history as a punter I can recall somewhere around 10 gals that became "hitched" during the period that I was punting with them.  (maybe more that I've forgotten about).  Only one, that I can think of, completely stopped seeing me.  Maybe there were others that also vanished from my radar (as they do) for this reason that I never learned about (likely, I supppose.., I didnt know ALL of them to such a degree).  The other 9 gals I knew about kept screwing me until I moved, or she moved, or whatever.

To Doghead:  Yes, most have shown me pics of their spouses, or shown me their Facebook page.  Gals LOVE to share!  I even met one purely by random coincidence (now THAT was freaky!) - seems we are only one-degree-of-seperation away - my mate is friends with his mate (I didnt know this at the time).  We were out together for a drink, he spots his mate talking to some guy, head's over, I join him and INSTANTLY recognize the other guy!  I felt VERY uncomfortable and exited immediately (pretend phone call) - even before we could be introduced.  The idea of shaking his hand when I fucked his new wife just a day or so earlier didnt feel right.

My - triple-X rated comment:-

it's not just WGs

I know a girl who recently got engaged
I assumed she was telling me we are going to be "just friends"
But no ...
... after 6 months with him she's bored of him finishing after 5 minutes and frustrated he doesn't make her cum the way I can

and this is a girl I've never given money to,
who's given me gifts of comparable value to the (very few) gifts I gave her,
so it's definitely not for money.

Yes i agree, sometimes its more about companionship that attracts two people together.