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Post at 28-9-2010 05:14  Profile P.M. 
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AIDS/HIV doesn't exist?

An interesting trailer for a documentary just released claiming AIDS/HIV might not exist. Reminds me of the climate change deniers conspiratorial approach.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_N4zgjF0K0
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They probably also believe that the earth is flat - this level of incredible ignorance in this day and age is so hard to believe and it is positively dangerous that such people are out there pedalling this crap information
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Post at 28-9-2010 12:08  Profile P.M. 
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geez, how could a clip like this exist? reminds me of post-modernist thinking ; where they question what's real is not real...

aids/hiv = death ... not sure how much more real that can get.
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Post at 28-9-2010 12:14  Profile P.M. 
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There are a lot of conspiracy theorists out there. Have you seen the one where they say the US has never been to the moon?
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Reply #4 Grimlock's post

That particular theory was thoroughly debunked when high school science geeks bounced lasers off the reflectors left on the moon by astronauts.
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Post at 28-9-2010 12:44  Profile P.M. 
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Sure aid's don't exist.. so all those rappers, rockstars, 40,000 Americans per year dying from having no immune system
was all just one big misunderstanding.     So what is the explaination why all these people are dying on a regular basis from aids?
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Reply #5 atomic3d's post

Hi atomic, could you let me have the thread to the one about the astronauts on the moon. There is another theory going around about 911 and that the Twin Towers were actually dynamited by the US Military Industrial Complex as the impact from the aircraft alone was not enough to send the towers crashing down. There seems to be a lot of evidence going around to support this theory.
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Reply #7 geoduck's post

There are whole sections devoted to 911, apollo moon landing and other conspiracy theories in wikipedia. Much of the so-called evidence have been quite thoroughly debunked but it is always human nature for some to twist and exploit such half-truths and fringe theories and for others to believe them.
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Reply #7 geoduck's post

I actually read that one in the newspaper a few years back.

They actually wrote this into an episode of Big Bang Theory.
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actually there's a theory and a group of researcher that thought for a while that since they couldn't isolate the virus, may be the virus doesn't exist. So  they focused on trying to explain AIDS in a different way other than HIV. I read that they had pretty good results in curing some early stages cases, but that was a while ago. I guess now it's concensus that HIV is responsible for AIDS. but wuth science you never know.

regarding 911 theories, I read that it's more than just conspiracy, and it's gaining a lot of support in US and internationally and is supported by many victim's families.
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Post at 28-9-2010 22:19  Profile P.M. 
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it does not exist? just like saying my mom is actually male in nature
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Reply #3 rockypop's post

Not anymore. End of the 1990s the tri cocktail was developed its three very expensive drugs which you can take. Which means you can live to a very old age if you have money.

These drugs are very expensive!




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Reply #12 Kennichi's post

not anymore, beginning of 21st century, South Africa, Brazil, India and China, started producing generic version of these drugs for a small fraction of the price.
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Reply #13 ergo's post

Are these generic drugs available outside South Africa, Brazil, India and China?
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Better believe than sorry

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Reply #14 atomic3d's post

I'm afraid not, the patent system is tightly controlled by big pharmaceutical companies, so generic drugs are mainly present in countries that chose their populations health over their trade agreements.
As far as I know; countries where a foreigner can access these generic brands: Brazil, Thailand and India. Countries where generic drugs are only available through government programs for citizens: China, South Africa, Zambia, Zimbabwe(what else), Uganda,...

These are all treatments after HIV has been tested positively present in the body. There's few other treatments more efficient that you can take before 48h from suspicious intercourse. But these drugs will smash your body for a month as after effect. So it's a trade off whether you think the risk you took is high enough and worth taking these.
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Reply #16 ergo's post

I believe it's called the AIDS cocktail.  I remember some Chinese guy from Taiwan participated and ended up on TIME magazine beating out Michael Jordan for the cover, man of the year DAVID HO.  People were complaining that it should have been Jordan instead.  Pretty funny, but I have a feeling that David Ho, (ironic as hell name) will have a vaccine before anyone else.
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Would the people who are making such outlandish claims be prepared to have unprotected sex with a 'non' AIDS/HIV victim ???

I bet the strength of their contention would not stand up to such a challenge.
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Reply #18 ollie1955's post

They're not saying AIDS doesn't exist. They're saying HIV is not proven to be the cause for the loss of immunity. Which is a grey zone really, since many people with HIV do not lose their immunity. So unless a full proof is given, people who believe AIDS is caused by HIV are as dumb as people who believe it is not. It's science and it's evolving.
Protection on the other side is empirically proven. You have far less chance to get infected if you have protected sex.
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Reply #13 ergo's post

Have you seen how much an abortion pill RU-486  costs the world over? In the UK its subbed by the NHS but it is £212 if you buy private. In HK somebody on here bought an abortion pill and it was well over $2000. In the USA it costs $360.

It was introduced in 1987 after passing clinical trials. It costs a fuck of a lot of money for one pill!

The cocktail drugs are controlled JUST as tightly.




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