Fellow bros,

I got a buddy coming into town and I plan on taking him over to China for a few days. This guy and I go way back; since primary. He's a bit of a conservative fella and our close friends and I all think he's still a virgin (we're 29 right now!). Although we're just speculating we're 100% sure that even if he isn't, he hasn't had sex for at least 4 years.

My mission for this trip is to get him LAID... I'm sure he's got a ton of built up sexual energy but here's my problem. I know for a fact that he won't step into a sauna, brothel, etc... he won't pick up at a bar/club for sure cause he's a very shy fella. So my only option is to tell him that we're going to a legit sauna and then turns out to be something different and see what the girl can do to seduce him into doing it. A guy can only take so much right?!

Secondly, is it wrong that I'm trying to break him? I consider it it helping him if anything.. but he may, and probably will think otherwise. And if y'all don't think it's wrong.. HOW? Any other options I can try?

Cheers and happy new year!

It ain't wrong fella. I'll say go for it. Sex is one of man's primary needs after food, water and shelter. The worst that can happen, he'll say no.

go have some booze first.. and talk to him abt it...
let him know how fun it is!

i myself has over the years led some pals astray...
some were virgins back then but now they are crazier than me... having tons of FBs all over China.
the easiest way to "break" a "virgin" is to hang out with a bunch of friends at a pub or bar..
everyone share their stories... preferably positive ones of course..
then encourage the "virgin" to try..
most "virgins" only worry abt STDs...
overcome that, and they will be ready....

don't bring them to places with too many lineups.. e.g D1 etc..
where girls greatly outnumber the guys... the "virgin" will freak out..
in HK, try 141 walk-ups.
in Macau, try 18 spa, there are many WGs, but the "virgin" can hide among the crowd of guys and take his time to overcome his anxiety and slowly choose.
in China KTVs, choose the girl for him, don't bother asking him "Which one you like?".... he will just blush and keep quiet and piss off the mamas/papas.

Hope your friend enjoys himself!!!

Why not take him to a KTV joint and get him drunk to loose those inhibitionsto see if he's game on for phase two

He'll probably know that it's in your best interest to help him. As you said, hemay have a few years of pent up frustration which is dying to be released!!! Might even thank you for it or unless he's xxx...

Is the guy a Christian nutter? If so, it may be more difficult than you think.

If not, and you really want to be sneaky, and increase your chances of success given his reluctance to visit the obvious venues, you might try arranging something in advance. Find a really hot WG, arrange for her to be in some bar, disco, or coffee shop at a given time with another WG friend; tell her to dress like a civilian, and play hard to get; then show up with your friend and pick them up as if they were just regular chicks. Explain in advance to the girl what's going on and that she should never let on she's a hooker.

Who knows, he might end up marrying her.

I'd say if you're thinking of it as "break"ing him it is wrong - you could harm your friendship if you push him so hard he resents it.  

But if you mean "break" as in "break-fast", giving him the opportunity and smoothing the way is 100% OK.  

Comes down to what does he want - as Mars says (and as much as I hate to agree with anyone!) if he's got a deep-seated moral objection to sex you could be in for a tough ride.  If you push hard and he has any smarts, he'd accept your invitation, tell the girl "no" and then come back and tell you he did it just to shut you up ...

But if he's just shy, and dying to get some, help him out!

I say surprise him with a WG to his hotel room

Being friends means that you should be able to discuss things with each other.

Being friends also means that it is NOT right to spring any surprises or to have to resort to subterfuge to make him come to your way of thinking and/or lifestyle.

He for sure has his own reason to be what he is and it would show the greatest disfrespect to him AND to your friendship if you resort to some of the methods that's been discussed.

You see something wrong with him, or at least you THINK you see something wrong with him - and based upon this you're possibly going to force him to do things he doesn't want to do??

Nah.... just talk to him first.  That's what ADULT friends do with each other.

IMHO

SEAJ

Actually it is not as easy as it seems.  First, does your close friend know you are horny dog who likes to visit places of disrepute?  Not all guys will continue to respect their buddies if they find out they visit wgs or dodgy ktvs.  I known guys here who would brag they never have to pay for sex, ie implying they dont visit hookers and they sleep only with 'good' girls.

If your buddy already knows about your exploits and has listened onto some of your conversations with other buddies, then really you are half-way to getting your buddy laid or at least addicted to the wg scene.  I think going to a full-own macau sauna, dg ktv, 141 walkup, or even hg is too fast and he may panic from nervousness, shame, or embarrassment.

I recommend you ease him slowly into this carnal world.  How about a nice veggie massage in Seacrest where the masseuses do a nice stroking of the groin area but will not give him a HE?  Many beginners are not used to getting a nice sensual naked massage even if they have gfs and they become quite nervous before they calm down under the careful hands of the masseuse.  Also as some of the posters pointed out, some bros are nervous to even undress in front of the locker attendant, (i guess these guys never showered in their school gyms after a game).

Afterwards see if he talks positively about the whole experience.  If good, then take him to a hj sauna, and repeat process, until you get to a sauna that has hj but can give fs for extra (which you pay on the sly without his knowledge).  Then you expose him to the wide choices that are available in asia.  

If at any point he feels disgusted with himself or ashamed, dont continue and wait until his next trip back to HK.  He will think about his sauna experiences over and over at home and may become intrigued to give it another try on his 2nd trip to HK.  

There is no point in rushing the whole process as you know some of the bros are in their 60's and only discovered mongering in their later years.

Good luck

What SeaJ said.

Imagine a post on a Christian forum from some guy saying "Is it wrong if I trick my friend, who's a dedicated whoremonger, into joining an evangelical church?"

Present your case to him, and tell him why you think he should avail of the services. But let him make his own decisions.

Booze first, not alot so he get whiskey dick (that would defeat the purpose of getting him laid)
then you talk about your experience in mongering.  Build up the pros of doing a..well PRO
Let him know that it's safe, girls are clean, hot, etc... show him pics if you have them.

Trick or not, I really find it hard to believe a man would turn down sex, especially one that hasn't had it in 4 yrs

The main thing is, don't talk to him like you know he's not experienced with the ladies or he'll probably be embarrassed and become defensive. Don't let him know that anything you're doing is especially for him. Definitely, don't try to convert him or talk him into anything. Just talk casually about visiting WGs and give him the opportunity. He might just surprise you and jump at the chance.  

I also have a buddy I'd love to introduce to this game and am trying to get him to come over for a visit. I've never mentioned my visits to WGs and am not sure how to raise it. Let us know how it goes with your friend.  

Go ahead with the deception.  If he's a Jesus nutter, even that won't work. If it's just that he objects to prostitution, and hasn't gotten laid in years because he's morbidly shy, then you'll have done him a favor, and what he doesn't know won't spoil the pleasure he'll get from having sex with a beautiful girl. There is, of course, the danger that if he really is terribly shy, even the staged pick up might not work.

btw, I know a lot of guys back in the States who will never have the experience of paying for sex because attitudes towards prostitution back in New England are far more negative than out here in Asia. A lot of western guys only discover the pleasures of whoring after spending time in this part of the world. I never even saw a toot until I came out to Asia, and I was 27 when I visited my first WG in Bangkok - no straight guy spends anytime in Bangkok without doing a WG - at the famous Darling Massage Parlor on Sukhimvit - ah! that brings back such good memories.

Seen the beginning of True Romance? Does he have any special interests, such as kung fu movies?!

I remember liking True Romance, but since it was almost 20 years ago, can you refresh my memory as to what it is about kung fu movies?

Is he gay?    Seriously.  There may be an insurmountable reason why he's not banging chicks.  It's just not natural otherwise.

I'm with the crowd that says you're doing him a favor, but I would be cautious that there's not some psychological atom bomb you're about to set off.

Most likely the guy just hasn't been properly introduced into the world of women.  I had to find my own way here and it was a long slow road.  Having a buddy show me the tips and tricks would have saved a lot of trial and error.

Agree completely!; the potential therapeutic benefit from a good fuck with a beautiful Chinese girl far outweighs any possible affront to his principles - if it is moral principle at work here and not just rationalized insecurity. And has he ever had an Asian girl?- if not all the more reason to get that sucker laid! (Personally, I think all of life's problems result from not enough DATY with Asian girls.)

Ok, what's the score now - 12 for going ahead and springin' him, 4 yes/no, and what? 2 for don't do it??

Come on guys??  You gotta think properly about this question.  It's NOT the usual should I or shouldn't I matters involving minor things like..... gals!!  (Oooops, sorry, hope there ain't feminists here!!)

It's about friendhsip, about guy's feelings, choices in life, wanting to help out/guide a friend!!

And you ain't gonna do any of these things a favor if you treat the whole process as a Rah Rah Rah Frat house party.... for that is what I see a lot of you guys suggesting here!

I still say that if you ARE a good friend, then you have to give your friend the respect of discussing it all with him instead of either embarrassing him, putting him in a spot or getting him so blotto that he don't even know what he was actually doing.... and regretting it later and hating you in the process.

Just IMHO (WTF?? Humble??  And stated so forcefully - what a load....!)

SEAJ

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 1-1-2010 15:24 ]

For me, that kind of trickery would cause me to immediately cut off the friendship. No one likes to be forced or tricked into something.

agree no tricks. I think its better you just suggest it when you guys are a little buzzed and see how he reacts. If he goes with it then it all good if not just make it like a joke, you can always blame it on the tipsy