Subject: Hong Kong Lesbians?
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Post at 1-9-2009 12:04  Profile P.M. 
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Hong Kong Lesbians?

Or something else? , as in the other post I've been hanging around Hong Kong for a day or so with J a friend from the states...

We had nothing to do as we have both done the touristy shit and generally hung around watching the city go by , with me even managing to get a 17YO Cheung Chau girl's phone number (I lost it though and she seemed to have self harming scars all over her arms and ankles so that wasn;t so good)...

However J noticed ALOT of HK girls hanging out with butch women , I didn't notice at first thinking they were just fat men , but after sitting and watching in a few food courts there are an ENOURMOUS number of lesbians in HK or so it seems , ie one of the lip stick kind (all pretty and demure) with a butch one.....

Is it a fashion trend (as per J's thought) or does Hong Kong REALLY have loads of carpet munchers who chow on each others boxes? , in that now they have been pointed out I'd say there are LOADS of lesbians..

Ontop of that there are non butch ones also , ie J being trapped in Nepal for months had had shit food for months and Mc'ds was consumed (by him) regularly..... we stopped at mid night at the Nathan Road Mc'ds between Chungking Mansions and National Court opposite the Mosque and there seemed to be lot of cure chinese girls making out or had their hands in strange places (ie down the front of each others jeans or up each other's skirts).

WTF is happening ? , is HK going all Lesbian or something?




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Reply #1 Kennichi's post

You're definitely noticing stuff I missed, but I totally agree with your conclusion.

Just consider the ratio of women to men ... hormones have to go somewhere, and believe your McD analogy holds true for sex ...

I do know some dykes, several now I think about it.  

Not sure if it's more now than before, will keep my eyes peeled!!!




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Reply #1 Kennichi's post

Hey bro, dinn't know you were here already !

Yeah, if one keeps an eye tuned in on this ... there are lots of nice pretty girls tagging along with a female ...

I guess it just means HK men have more comiptition these days !  
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This kind of thing is even more prevalent over here in Taipei. I seem to see these couples everywhere - butch girls with their super-feminine GFs. Nobody seems to pay them any attention. This is a fairly recent phenomenon. Of course, gay women were always there, it's just that before it was considered unacceptable to go around in public openly gay. Similarly, gay guys over here have also stopped trying to hide their homosexuality.

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Reply #3 twiceAweek's post

Yeah, HK women are also crossing the mainland border to find blokes for companionship since gals outnumber guys in HK. Also, girls find mainland guys more down to earth and not superficial like HK guys!!!

This was recently published in the SCMP. Will post the article when I can get access to it...
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Reply #5 asia-play's post

Actually, every mainland girl I've talked to (after they've lived here for a few years)
prefers HK men to those from the mainland. And yes what you also said is also true,
local girls are seeking mainland men but I believe (or like to believe) the reason is because
they can't find any local men that wants them ...
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Northern charms - Hong Kong women are looking for love across the border

Here's the article that I was referring to -

Lily Lai is happily married and newly pregnant with her first child. Nonetheless, the 26-year-old says she struggled over her choices before tying the knot with her Wenzhou-born husband in February.

"I had to leave behind my friends, family and lifestyle in Hong Kong," says Lai, a City University translation graduate who met her husband on a business trip to Zhejiang three years ago.

"When I told my friends about my marriage to a mainlander, they thought it was odd. But my family supported me. I gave up my trading company job after marrying and now just come back to Hong Kong to visit friends and family."

As steadily growing numbers of Hong Kong women look north for spouses, more will face decisions such as Lai's. Their embrace of cross-border romances is a marked shift from a decade ago, when they largely dismissed men from the mainland as uncouth bumpkins.

Immigration Department figures show 2,409 marriages were registered in Hong Kong last year between mainlanders and local women - a more than sixfold jump from 10 years ago, when there were 390 such marriages. Most marriages are registered in Hong Kong to give the brides' families a greater sense of assurance, says wedding consultant Sharon Au Wai-fong.

The number of local women obtaining certificates of single status (a requirement for people seeking to register marriages on the mainland) have also risen significantly. Hong Kong issued 1,539 certificates last year - more than double the figure for 1988.

Wonderful Life, a local dating agency that regularly organises social events in Shenzhen, reports that Hong Kong women now make up one-third of its clients.

Agency spokeswoman Mei Chan says: "Last year 90 per cent were local men seeking a mainland wife. This year we have quite a number of new female members who don't mind being set up with mainland guys. In the past, local women often baulked at the suggestion."

Dating agencies and marriage consultants ascribe the about-turn in thinking to demographic forces as well as the growing sophistication and wealth of men from the mainland - especially compared to locals.

Li Ka-fai, who runs cross-border dating agency the Jade Butterfly Club, says some Hong Kong women are attracted by mainlanders' more down-to-earth style.

"They just present themselves as who they really are, unlike local guys, who tend to be flashy and boastful," he says.

Ge Sifan, managing director of the XinXinRenLei Marriage Agency in Shenzhen, says six years ago there were just a handful of Hong Kong women seeking her company's services to meet mainlanders. That number has since swelled to 80 women.

"In the past, most were divorcees or widows above 30. Now, young [Hong Kong] women who have never married also seek our services. Our youngest client is just 24 years old," Ge says. "They think mainlanders are honest, reliable and put much emphasis on family values. Mainland guys are attracted by their liberal attitudes towards romance and modern appearance."

Hong Kong men also generally come off as self-obsessed, shallow types who are indifferent to world affairs, says Au, founder of Sharon Au Wedding Consultants.

"Many just like to play video games and are insensitive to women's feelings. They see women as targets to be conquered," Au says. "Mainlanders are more patient and willing to invest time in developing a relationship. Unions I have seen between mainlanders and local women have usually lasted."

Sweeping characterisations are never fair, but a worsening gender imbalance also leaves Hong Kong women with little choice. Government figures show that last year there were 270,000 more women than men in the 20 to 40 age group - 20,000 more than the gap in 2007. Their chances of finding a local spouse are getting slimmer, with the Census and Statistics Department projecting that by 2021, there will be 797 men to every 1,000 women.

"The shrinking pool of available local guys impels some women to explore the vast potential of the mainland," says Chan.

While Hong Kong women are often stereotyped locally as materialistic moneygrubbers, they're admired on the mainland for their cosmopolitan outlook and keen fashion sense.

"I have dreamed about marrying a Hong Kong girl since I was a teenager," says Shenzhen native Gong Suming, 25. "They are vivacious and polished. Mainland girls are more conservative and shy."

Gong, who owns a gift-making business, has registered with online matchmaker Jiayuan.com to help meet the woman of his dreams.

Because mainland residents face greater hassles in obtaining the necessary papers to visit Hong Kong, cross-border couples tend to meet up north.

However, the tedious commute hasn't discouraged Winnie Wong Pui-chun. The 22-year-old travels to Jieshi, a town in southeastern Guangdong, a couple of times each month to meet her boyfriend, a factory worker.

Each round trip costs HK$200 and means four hours on the road, but Wong takes it in her stride.

"It takes him one month and several hundred yuan to obtain a one-week travel permit to Hong Kong. So it makes more sense for me to go up," she says.

"The commuting and long separations are tiresome, but I love him. I've had many local boyfriends before but my current boyfriend is better. He is very caring and sensitive.

"We met at a disco in Shenzhen two years ago and used to have our dates in the city. But due to the high cost of entertainment in Shenzhen, we meet only in Jieshi now," says Wong, who is currently out of work.

Cross-border marriages require considerable adjustment from both partners. Difficulties in securing employment here discourages mainland men from settling in Hong Kong, says Li of the Jade Butterfly Club.

"Many local employers don't recognise degrees from lesser-known mainland universities. Unable to find a decent job that matches their qualifications, some become stay-at-home husbands, which can severely affect their sense of worth as a man," Li says. "That's why most couples would rather endure separation during the week and reunite at weekends."

For professional women who relocate to the mainland, it's often hard to forgo the career they have built in Hong Kong, says Hon Shu-wing, a registered social worker who has provided marriage counselling and matchmaking services for 15 years.

"Even if they find a similar job on the mainland, the meagre pay could be a shock. The salary for a university graduate on the mainland is just around several thousand yuan, but even a security guard is paid between HK$6,000 and HK$7,000 per month in Hong Kong."

Of course, prospective tai-tais feel differently.

"A majority of my mainland male clients are very rich businessmen who live in luxurious houses and drive posh cars," Au says. "Their young and pretty wives from Hong Kong are happy to leave everything behind and follow them back to the mainland."

Lai, who plans to return to Hong Kong in December to deliver her child, says she has grown accustomed to the tranquil life in Wenzhou.

"I wasn't used to the lifestyle at first. There were some minor hiccups due to differences in customs and culture, but we soon got over them and I have come to enjoy the picturesque environment and relaxing life here."
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by asia-play at 1-9-2009 13:30
Their chances of finding a local spouse are getting slimmer, with the Census and Statistics Department projecting that by 2021, there will be 797 men to every 1,000 women.

Now that's interesting! Why such a low male to female ratio in HK?




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it might be something similar to a european thing in that chemicals that get into the food supply , industrialisation and pollution affect the amount of y chromasome sperm causing an imbalance of x and y chromasome sperm , water in the uk in some areas has been through 17 peoples kidneys its filtered of deadly bacteria and germs but it is packed full of hormones usually from womens urine from being on the pill constantly.

Hong Kong water is even more disgusting than London water , the sea is effectively a giant toilet and probably the same effects.




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Reply #9 Kennichi's post

OMG we're turning into FROGS!!!

Actually I think it has more to do with HK guys leaving because they can't stand the brand-conscious demands of HK girls ... and PRC gals are soooo forthcoming by comparison ...




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QUOTE:
Originally posted by Kennichi at 1-9-2009 12:04

Is it a fashion trend (as per J's thought) or does Hong Kong REALLY have loads of carpet munchers who chow on each others boxes? , in that now they have been pointed out I'd say there are LOADS of lesbians..

i would tend to agree with your mate's (J's) observation. i don't think HK is the only place where such a trend/phenomenon
is peaking. since the softening of attitudes toward homosexuality in most countries, this gay/lesbian thing has become something
not only acceptable but fashionable. i am willing to bet that more than a fair number of the lesbians you saw in HK are not
genuinely homosexual...they are probably riding high on the fashionability factor for the moment.

as for the HK guy-Mainland girl and the HK girl-Mainland guy thing, i think this phenomenon irons itself out. there has to be a
natural tendency toward balance in this sense: 1 guy for 1 girl is the objective here and if the pool of HK guys are being
'depleted' due to the influx of the Mainland females, then the HK girls will instinctively react to ensure that the 1 guy 1 girl
balance is maintained somehow (so they seek Mainland males).

this is just an illustration of course, whether or not it is the HK guys not choosing HK girls or vice-versa, your guess is better
than mine because i have no idea on that specific.
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So, the HK government thinks that large numbers of local men will be migrating out of HK to the Mainland? There is already a huge surplus of men to women on the Mainland as a result of the one-child policy and the preference for male children, so obviously vast numbers of PRC guys will have to look abroad for women.

Fashion might be a factor in influencing women to experiment with homosexuality, but I doubt it plays much part in determining the sexual choices of men.




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Reply #8 Marsupial's post

I can't believe anyone doesn't know about the Asian preference for sons over daughters. Sex selection is a business.




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Reply #13 Lenny's post

Exactly! That's why I was surprised to learn that there are so many more women than men in HK. Low male to female ratio means that the male population/female population is less than 1, which is another way of saying that the number of women is greater than the number of men.




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Reply #14 Marsupial's post

Oops, sorry. Yeah, that is very weird.




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QUOTE:
Originally posted by twiceAweek at 1-9-2009 12:33
but I believe (or like to believe) ...

I wouldn't worry supermod-bro; you're obviously a man who believes what he likes to believe.




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Reply #16 Lenny's post

for someone who confuses a high ratio of women to men, with gender selection in favour of males, you've got a nerve to gratuitously pick on Twice's reasoning!!!

The facts are clear: there are a lot of unmarried women in HK who are increasingly nervous about turning into old spinsters, so it's no surprise if they're looking at alternatives.  

At the same time as PRC is strengthening economically, it's becoming more realistic as a goal to snare an image-conscious entrepreneur who would love to parade and pamper a HK trophy bride.  Supply meets demand ...




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Reply #16 Lenny's post

I think you know me better then that ... I play fair as much as I'm alble to ... and remember,
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I see loads on the MTR ... Have you noticed the butch girl always where's glasses and the other girl is always kinda nice ... It's seems to be becoming a trend these days ...  Also regarding the female to male ratio ... they already out number us ... which should mean us HK men are in high demand ... but HK women drive us to look for brides on the mainland ... don't have a car ... don't have a flat ... don't earn enough ... not tall enough ... not as handsome as Leon etc etc  seriously, there are not enough men to go around now anyway ... 'women should stop driving us away even more
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There was a very cute girl I used to see once or twice a week at functions. I was always trying to chat her up and she acted interested. Then, one evening, her friend came to pick her up and it was a really butch girl. They were obviously more than just friends. I asked around and her former school-mates confirmed she was a lesbian. So why did she let me waste all my fuckin time?




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