I think one of the other senior brothers mentioned after multi pops that there was shrinkage to the gonads.  Was this noticeable to the family jewels?

There is more than one version?

haha... that's one way to put it. I was actually sore... and not a good sore... pissing hurt till the next day..

@bohica - yes.. noticeably smaller.. kinda like jumping into a REALLY cold pool... fortunately for me, my SO wasn't coming back till the week after so I had a bit of time to recover. Honestly, I did not feel like having any sex for a good 3 - 4 days after which was a shame as I had a few days break from the SO...

this subject has been discussed many times, but i always find first-person experiences useful, so i'll contribute...

i'm not a fan of C. because it lasts so long (and i was living in BKK when i tried it out!), i kept thinking, why am i doing THIS, i shd be having sex! sounds silly, but i didn't like this multi-day thing. however, some people MUCH prefer it. it does allow for spontaneity, so if yr in a relationship and using it for that purpose, makes sense.

it has been suggested that V's greatest use is among longtime married-couples where the guy is simply so bored with his wife he tabs up so he can perform his 'marital duties.' sounds depressing as hell, and doesn't apply to us! but of course, the wife shd NEVER find out he's taking the stuff, and on that matter we merge: if yr using it, best to keep it secret, even with WGs.

"Viagra" is Pfizer's trademark name for sildenafil citrate, an enzyme-inhibitor. you should NEVER take the stuff without asking your doctor first. some common side-effects are listed above. but if u are on nitrate-based medication and pop some V for kicks, it can KILL you. ask yr doc or at the very least, do some net research.

the ability to sustain an erection diminishes with age (and if u don't know that already, you're going to find out). there is NO standard dose for V.. it works on most guys but there are men who've reported NO effect. on the other side, young healthy guys who don't need it take it anyway, and end up with erections that last WAAAAY too long (any more than four hours, go see a doc pronto). you should know all this.

i don't understand why guys in their 20s take Viagra. it's not a wonder-drug. it won't make you want to fuck fire hydrants or give you a monster-sized dick. as effects vary from person to person, you need to monitor your experiences, and see how it works for YOU.

India makes the chemical, it is identical to what Pfizer will sell u. thus u may find counterfeit V, which i advise against. better to go with a known INDIAN brand-name, the best known is Kamagra, others include Veetab, Seagra and i heard of one called "Penagra" buit have never seen it. these are sold mostly in 4-tablet blister-packs. there is Chinese-made V and i once found a pack behind a refrigerator in a hotel room in Phnom Penh. there was no English-writing but the 4-pack of blue lozenges was unmistakeable. i used it and it worked fine.

the first time i tried it was with prescrip Pfizer V: a friend was visiting HK in 2001 and had been prescribed nitrates, so cdn't take it. he passed it to me and said, split one tab into quarters and take ONE. i thought: sure, i'm taking a quarter of a pill, it expired two years ago...what's THAT gonna do?? well, i soon found out! it's dramatic.

for a long time i was at 25mg (preferred the 50mg Veetabs which were easy to slice in half with a single-edge razorblade). then i got to where i needed a bit more. so i was at 37.5mg for awhile, but i wasn't precise (i have bitten off a chunk of a V tablet, not a best practice!). now 50mg works fine for me. the desensitizing effect is real, you have to work your way through it. with the right stimulation, not a prob.

nowadaya, 50 mg is a normal dosage. if i've been active more than usual, i will take 75mg. this is a high dose for me and does make the pesky thing slightly bigger (not my imagination: girls have commented, and sometimes COMPLAINED, about it). it just allows more blood to flow. after orgasm, you may detumesce more slowly, but yr cock should turn back into the worm it was. later, you may find yourself with another erection a few hours later, so multiple pops with the same or different girls are certainly possible.

India used to sell the raw chemicals until Pfizer stopped them, which upset Italian pharmacists. these guys would custom-make tablets for their clients: if 80mg was the desired dose, they would make the pills FOR THAT MAN. you've gotta love that level of care and craftsmanship.

so yes, the Indian stuff is real (and their version of Cialis is called "Apcalis"), but u want to buy an Indian brand. most countries have signed treaties with the US and can't sell it openly. Cambodia has not signed any such treaty so u can buy this stuff legally at pharmacies there (look for a clean, air-conditioned place and check expiry dates). last week ii bought Kamagra at US$3 per four-pack, as it had the longest expiry date. i keep it in the fridge, what i'm currently using expired in January but still works great.

do yr homework. evaluate yr needs. my personal feeling is you should take the minimum dose that works for you, don't start with more than 25mg and don't have any "pressure to perform" in yr first attempt. you should find erection easier to attain and maintain. that's all it does. all yr turn-ons/turn-offs will remain. you're still you.

i call it "my little blue friend" as i find it a confidence-bosster. i know i'll sustain an erection so i can enjoy sex more, and as hard cocks turn women on, she had more fun too. i don't use V EVERY time i have an encounter, but if intercourse is likely, i generally tab up. that said, know your dosage--don't think you can take some more and have it work right away. it takes awhile to work, so determine yr dose and don't take it more than once every 24 hours. again, i'm NOT A DOCTOR and am merely relating my personal experience. it is not a substance to be used thoughtlessly, or "my pal says 100mg makes him last all night so i'll do it too!" be an adult, because this is an adult drug for adults at play.

JtB

My best performance without drugs is 7 shots in a 24 hr period.  Each was quality rounds. I believe I had a round or two more if I didn't run out of condoms   Its possible but physically very exhausting for me

Hi, in response to rugger's post, i'm quite positive many brothers out there who like to know more - here's my own experience with Mr V 2 months ago ,
Had a GF of 3 years, who is aware of my marital status, but didn't mind, and we have had great sex. Better sex, if we could slip away for a short weekend, if not, just quickies at motels, but sometimes, work related issues or work pressures gets into our heads, and the mood is not perfect.  
Past 7 months, realised my LB has not been quite obedient, despite sweet coaching and BBBJ from patient GF. I had no answers for her, except citing the usual tiredness, etc. .& she would still be happy to make me cum. What a sweetie.
I'm past 4-zero, and read (in Pfizer's website, where else!) that it is a common occurence with middle age. Also suffer back injury twice in younger days, was ex-smoker too, and wonder if this was my early Karma.
After obtaining more info of V on various websites, decided to give it a try. Walked into a chinese medical shop and was recommended the 50mg. Bought a pack for $300, fixed price. Followed the instructions and it was a hard-on even before the pants came off in the room ! On second-round, it harden again easily, as oppose to previous experiences, that took 15mins or longer. It gave me a lot of confidence, i had to say the effect of facial blushing was there, but we were both happy and had fantastic sex. She knew i took it, (with excuse that it may be due to my injury), but she wouldn't want me to take it on a regular basis. Because we could communicate about sex and preferences intimately, it helps and i'm willing to do without it, with renewed confidence. it's not that i'm suffering from permanent ED, LB does wake up, like in middle of night or mornings. Guess i'll recommend it for couples who may be facing problems in the bedroom, or swingers who likes consistency and heavy partying once awhile. Have kept myself fit and lean all along, and have no intention to stay on V, if possible. But it did perform better than my expectations, and i would not recommend going for those generic substitues, although cheaper, in the beginning. You'll never know how chemicals would react, to individuals, best to have peace of mind before punting. Hope this info helps.

A couple of comments to follow up on JackTheBat's post.

Kamagra (the Indian version of Viagara) is readily available in Bangkok in both pill and liquid gel pack form.  A blister pack of 4 100mg pills should cost you about 400 baht, while the gel pack (single serving of 100 mg) is more expensive.  I don't recall exact pricing but I think it was around 400 baht for a single pack.  In any case, its a LOT cheaper than buying in HK and I have found this version to be consistently effective in the dozens of times that I have used it.  I will typically cut (or bite) a 100mg tablet in half and suffer many of the same side effects, particularly the "blue tint" vision.  For example, when I look at my blackberry screen there's a definite blue tint which is not ordinarily present.  

One comment I would make is that (in my experience) V or C can counteract the effect of other substances such as alcohol which tend to reduce the ability to get/keep an erection ("whisky dick" anyone?).  On the other hand, it's not a ton of fun to be hard, able to pound, but to just know that you are not going to be able to finish.  In these situations, I will sometimes have to "take matters into my own hands" if you know what I mean.

great info.
i have a pack of Cialis still leftover from my HK trip.
I should put it in the fridge to make it last longer?

Would like to share my own personal experience here.
I am in my early 40s, started experiencing occasional ED about two years ago and went to see a doctor for help. Did all the hormone, blood pressure tests..etc and he determined that physically I am fine and my problems probably came from fatigue, stress, and a viscious cycle of performance anxiety, but nevertheless he prescribe cialis to me for field testing in order to determine whether I can achieve an erection or not.  Well those pills worked wonders and my LB was hard as a rock on all occasions, pounded the X out of the girls and also I was able to last much longer than my usual norm which is a double edged sword because even though it was a huge boost to one's ego but the sex just wasn't very fun.

In addition, I also suffered a pretty bad headache from taking the pills and I also started worrying about getting mentally dependent on them therefore I tried to find a "natural" alternative by reading up on herbal substitutes which led me to trying out horny goat weed (TCM) and Maca (S.American herbal remedy).  After taking Horny Goat Weed extract for two weeks I went out for a field test and hooray, little brother was able to raise his head without the aid of Cialis!  Now I am not sure whether these herbal extracts are really making a difference or has it all been placebo effects?

perhaps a slow plan to wein off the drugs?  I assume it can be a good jump started and you are ready to get off the drug bandwagon.  Of course you don't want to cut off your body into shock and just slowly stop using.  Maybe that will work

I certainly would like to hope that it was all in the head and can regain my self confidence again.

maybe the horny goat weed really works?

Been doing some research to the testosterone alternatives and there seems to be a topical application called Androgel but the bad news is that this will impact your bodies natural ability to produce it.  

Also has some nasty side effects:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubm ... a605020-sideEffects

breast enlargement and/or pain

decreased sexual desire

acne

hair loss

hot flushes

depression

mood changes

nervousness

headache

weakness

difficulty falling asleep or staying asleep

teary eyes

changes in ability to smell or taste

dry skin


Some side effects can be serious. If you experience any of the following symptoms, call your doctor immediately:

swelling of the hands, feet, ankles, or lower legs

breathing problems, especially during sleep

erections that happen too often or that last too long

difficulty urinating

weak urine flow

sudden need to urinate right away

frequent urination, especially at night

nausea

vomiting

yellow or darkened skin

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Good point. I was referring more how people are over medicated.  Many people don't needs so much meds and mentally need to let go.  I am sure every individual faces this differerntly

I have heard that getting Vitamin C and V tablets were being clamped down by the health authorities. Any truth in this or is it still available off the counter without "prescription"

Don't know about the crackdown but good to know just in casr...

On a related topic, here is an interesting 'Miagra' report by Bro TonyToro:

http://tinyurl.com/6kdak6u

If we can only find that pharmacy in MK...

I certainly would like to hope that it was all in the head and can regain my self confidence again.

I think there is a bit of a crackdown

Asked around some stores in Sheung Shui and wanchai and many didnt offer it or wanted prescription. One offered it for 680 for 4 pills (of C), normal price should be 360.

I'm personally against using chemical means to enhance my performance, but a natural supplement which I used to take was royal jelly.

It's not going to give you any crazy boosts like V or C.  It will increase your sexual appetite and help you last longer.

Unless you're allergic to it there's no side-effects.  I would just pop a few with my vitamins, creatine, glucosamine and other supplements each day while on my workout regimen.

Here's more info if anyone's curious: http://www.ehow.com/facts_492374 ... -bee-jelly-men.html