Subject: The Wuhan virus is really deterring me from punting, hw about everyone else?
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Scouted a few places today.. thought I would update you guys!  Taken from my 141 walk-up report:

For Fuji:
"...most floors only had like 1 or 2 girls. Some floors didnt even have any girls at all.  Not very many PRC girls from what I can see, probably due to the travel ban.  I saw maybe 2 Russians, a couple of Thais, and some Chinese (possibly PRC). Overall pretty dead. Foot traffic was also pretty dead.. I saw maybe like 5-10 bros... "

Other places I checked out was Phoenix. About 30-40% available, rest were empty.  The middle section of one of the floor was even closed. Seems like the usual local girls that work there the only ones working.  

Hop Yee was very dead.  Only the top floor had girls, saw a couple of Chinese (dunno if PRC).  Every other floor was empty with lights off.
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There are more than 2 floors (3 and 5 ?) in hop yee ? Been there 2 weeks ago and it was dead, all lights out didnt bother going back since.

FYI, been to SSP today, a couple girls in all the walk ups, a lot of 'please wait' signs (80%), not sure if the girl was busy or room empty, seemed rather quiet.
JSL crowded, all the rooms are occupied.
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Beware and Be Vigillant!

OK, I'm writing this from a city in the US on the West Coast where a State of Emergency has been declared.  The shit is hitting the fan here and through the research conducted, it appears to have been here for 6  weeks circulating through the Community UNDECTECTED.  It does not appear to be airborne, but spread in droplets   with contact on surfaces including body to body.   Guys, it's not worth it.  Until there is an all clear and a vaccine, this is Russian Roulette especially for older people   and people with previous respiratory problems.  Stay Safe.  The person you are with most likely doesn't even know they have it.

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jeffzeke   18-3-2020 11:06  Acceptance  +10   yikes, stay safe.
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So by what you’re saying (and this city is Seattle by the way, no need to hide this), you might as well just hide in your room until a vaccine is found.

By your own admission, you can now catch this from anyone anywhere, so how would the odds be any more or less by a punt?  Your odds of getting something is much greater going to a sporting event or to the movies.
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Originally posted by CoreTierOne at 1-3-2020 21:15
There are more than 2 floors (3 and 5 ?) in hop yee ? Been there 2 weeks ago and it was dead, all lights out didnt bother going back since.

FYI, been to SSP today, a couple girls in all the walk ups, ...

Yeah, but I can never remember what floor have girls and which doesnt.. theres definitely more than level 3 and 5 during non-corona times.  Right now its not even worth going, unless you're really in that area and are interested to take a look
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Reply #60 simhyi's post

I read another case where in Singapore someone was subject to home quarantine, and they were caught outside their home and lost their permanent residency status and were kicked out of the country

That place doesn't mess around with communicable diseases . No one there has to kiss ass to China

Keep on mongering (eventually)

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Reply #1 2kings's post

OMG.. You guys are getting me paranoid.. RICO will be arriving in Hong Kong in 9 days.. I am not scared of the Coronavirus.. If you divide the people infected against the population of Hong Kong then there is more chance of catching the common cold than the Coronavirus RICO will still be punting.. Also I will quarantine myself for 2 weeks when I get back to the UK and a blood test at my local hospital

[ Last edited by  Rico at 3-3-2020 04:20 ]

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ramont   3-3-2020 09:14  Acceptance  +1   Have you looked up the fatality rates of the common cold vs the corona virus?
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Reply #67 Rico's post

bro rico … you're right, you shouldn't be worried about CV-19 you should be more worried about how much choice you will have with the girls that are in HK … but if I remember correctly you'd go after anyone with a skirt so you still may have some fun

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Rico   11-3-2020 09:31  Acceptance  +10   Ha... You know me too well Bro twiceAweek :))
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Originally posted by Rico at 3-3-2020 04:19 AM
OMG.. You guys are getting me paranoid.. RICO will be arriving in Hong Kong in 9 days.. I am not scared of the Coronavirus

You might not be scared, but the ladies are.  Your selection of ladies will be quite meager.  I wouldn't be surprised if the few ladies who are working will be very paranoid about exchanging bodily fluids.

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gwailoplayer   4-3-2020 19:38  Acceptance  +4   no DATY or DFK on offer, then no thanks
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Reply #56 gwailoplayer's post

More detail on my post above (as understood by myself), for those who are interested in the economics of our dear service providers.

The provider I described who rents her office for 12,000 per month told me the going rate in her building which has lots of foot traffic is 14,000, but because her room is slightly smaller and she has known the landlord for a long time he gives her a discount. This includes her electricity and water. She pays approximately 1,000 per month to advertise on this site, a basic listing with a few photos on her page, not with videos or those girls’ photos on the landing page with links. She pays 500 per month for towel service, and provides and washes her own bedsheets. She also enhanced the room at her expense with an additional video camera mounted on the door, additional lights inside, a small refrigerator, and a hot water dispenser. She paid the photographer 500 for her photos, with her face blurred. If she moves out I suppose the last 2 items she can take with her but will need to hire a man with a van to transport the refrigerator. She could also reuse the photos.

On the cost side estimate her total monthly outlay is 13,500. Her basic rate is 400 for 1 pop or 30-45 minutes.  She must make 34 sales per month. She takes time off for her period and occasionally a weekend day or 2, so figure she works 24 days per month, so she needs to see an average of 1.5 persons per day just to break even.

On the expense side she rents public housing for 1,400 per month. I don’t know the cost for utilities in a small flat but let’s assume 400 per month running the air cons 6 months per year. My simple mobile phone service cost 250 per month, and my home non-fibre Internet is 200 per month. I suppose her building has some type of management fee, because it would have garbage disposal, maintenance of common facilities like lifts. So calculate 2,250 before management fee she has to spend. Adding that to the above expenditure means to break even after paying for her house mean she has to make 39 sales per month. She has a son who studies and works part-time for pocket money but she has to buy food for 2 and clothes and school fees.  On balance, I think she has it good compared to another I know.

This one who works at 37D, and others who I have talked to work at KP, 37D and places like this share their fee with “house”. So if you go there and spend 400 for 45 minutes, the provider gets 200. The good part is she has no overhead. She  doesn’t live in public housing but shares a tiny flat with 2 other women in Kowloon city, also providers. Her share of the monthly all in cost is about 7,000. So for her to break even, before eating, she has to make 35 sales per month. I understand however at these kind of places they do pay the girls a small fee to sit around all day as they bring them out to the customers one by one, so she might get an extra 10 or 20 per hour to be brought in front of the customer even if they don’t take her.

So, people like me who have seen their business slow down have nothing to complain about, as compared to these girls as you can see from the above are struggling even when times are good. This week my office landlord told me she would not raise my rent , and I fortunately don’t have to lay off any of my employees. My business will suffer further as the economy slows further, and I will take home less money this year, but on balance I have nothing to complain about. I have been using the quiet periods during the weekdays, to exercise, go to the beach just slow down.

Keep on mongering

[ Last edited by  gwailoplayer at 4-3-2020 20:06 ]

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anabikumi   8-3-2020 14:56  Acceptance  +1   Original
whodis   7-3-2020 19:19  Acceptance  +1   Good breakdown. Quibble: mobile looks high. I pay $90/mo for 3G
chaoprokia   7-3-2020 01:04  Acceptance  +1   does it mean OT girls which are example 5000, girls get 2500 and OT get 2500?
JackTheBat   6-3-2020 19:56  Acceptance  +10   Thanks for breaking this down, GP.
trust_00   5-3-2020 20:43  Acceptance  +3   Nice intel, thats why I usually tip em unless the service was awful
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Stray thoughts...

- It appears that Thai girls are still coming to HKG to work. Both hotel girls and walkups. Based on ads the numbers are lower but they're still coming. I personally find the $400-500 Thai walkups to be the best deal but that's only if you're into Thai girls.

- I assume girls have stopped dfk, bbbj and daty.

- What are tourists doing with their time when all the attractions are closed?

- I'm thinking if I do go to HKG, it would be nice to just lie on the beach and relax with a drink. I'm not too familiar with which hotels would have nice pools else I'd do that.

- Hotel rates appear to bottom out at $80 USD/night. In my head I was hoping like $50 USD/night rates so I could go crazy staying at a 5-star hotel but alas that doesn't appear to be the case.

I still have a few weeks before my point of no return date. I was in Bangkok just last week and with the massive decrease in tourists it was fantastic. No waits in restaurants, no crowds at malls and markets and just walk about here and there was so easy with such less people.

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JeSun   8-3-2020 02:10  Acceptance  +5   What’s a better value - $240 a night at Royal Garden or $270 at Mira?
gwailoplayer   6-3-2020 19:09  Acceptance  +3   Hong Hong has sun now but still too cool for beach, hiking good
ramont   6-3-2020 10:58  Acceptance  +8   See reply
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Reply #71 Freelancer's post

RE: Thai girls & coming to HK

I saw an article on Thaiger website a day or 2 ago and they said that HK is now limited in travel to Thailand:
https://thethaiger.com/news/nati ... travel-restrictions

Basically, if you are coming from HK to Thailand you have to have proof of accommodations for 14 days and self-quarantine. It will be interesting to see how this affects Thai WGs coming to HK. Granted, they would have a home to go to, but will they risk the quarantine?

As far as what to do it HK, I think people are generally going out a little bit more and some restrictions loosening. As far as going to the beach, it seems when the weather is good A LOT of HKers are going to the beaches or hiking lately. A week ago the weather was nice and my social media was littered with photos of people hiking and at the beach. People are doing more outdoor activities and with most public sports facilities closed, that means trails, parks and beaches. So don't expect to be alone on the beach. The weather has cooled back down and has been overcast with morning/night rain the past few days, so not the best for getting in the water or even lounging in shorts.

I'd soak up Thailand as much as you could.

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JeSun   8-3-2020 02:08  Acceptance  +5   Which is a better value - Royal Garden for $240HK/night, or Mira at $270/night? For this trip I’m probably going to sp ...
Freelancer   6-3-2020 19:17  Acceptance  +1   I’m seeing friends’ IG posts of the hiking too
trust_00   6-3-2020 13:31  Acceptance  +2   Just read that today too, my Songkran trip is probably cancelled :(
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Reply #72 ramont's post

Likely HK will reciprocate, in which case means no more thai girls coming here for time being
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Thailand has reversed their requirements yet again …
Travellers from HK only required to write a thesis of their movements for the past 2 weeks, no quarantine necessary
Above is correct as off 18:40 March 6, 2020

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JeSun           8-3-2020 02:08 AM          Acceptance          +5           Which is a better value - Royal Garden for $240HK/night, or Mira at $270/night? For this trip I’m probably going to sp ...

I honestly don't know. I don't think I've ever been in the Mira. It's been years since I was in Royal Garden for the rooms, so I'm not sure I could give good insight. I know several HGs were located near to the Mira, but there were some HGs working out of RG years ago. Not sure now.

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Mister   8-3-2020 15:43  Acceptance  +2   RG used to be an HG hotspot in its own right, but that was years ago. Mira more centrally located for spas, WGs
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Reply #64 JeSun's post

It is not that the risk is greater, but the potential embarrassment if a WG becomes infected and all her contacts need to be identified and contacted. Phone numbers. CCTV footage. Good luck trying to explain that away.

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So what do you all think is the safest of the not very safe options right now purely in terms of getting in trouble (as opposed to catching the disease which is a separate issue)?  It seems like going into any establishment (walkup, massage, wanchai gogo, etc) runs the risk of being quarantined.  I don't think the risk of being photographed and tracked down is a real risk, as I have no idea how you would be tracked down that way, but I think the risk of being in the building (i.e. getting some) and having the building locked down while you are in there, is possible.  No hope of talking your way out of that one.

I suppose you could do outcall, but I can't order into my place, so would have to use a short time hotel, which could also get locked down.  I dont think that talking your way out of being in a short time (or any) hotel for no good reason is possible.  I heard during SARS that the Metropole hotel got shut down and everyone got quarantined.  If you didn't have a good reason for being in there, I would presume you were dead meat.

The only reasonably safe place might be a sauna where, if you got locked down, you could possibly deny getting any sexual services if you get quarantined there.  I go to veggie saunas all the time with the significant other so I think I could possibly just deny knowing it was a place where you get extra.  Outside of that, I got no other ideas.  Curious if anyone else has ideas/thoughts on this.

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First, the main threat comes from mainland China now it's from anywhere in Europe. Looks like we have to live with Covid-19 eventually.

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Reply #74 twiceAweek's post

I know a PRC hotel girl who’s ad just popped up on TG under an agent. She told me two weeks ago she went to Bangkok from China. Now she’s in HK and normally she is here 7 days. Not sure where she will head to next to renew her visa.

But the point is some girls have been moving around and that in and of itself is a risk as being an asymptomatic virus carrier.

Can PM me if you want to know which HG it is.
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Reply #77 hulk2211's post

In 2009 during H1N1 people in the Metropark Hotel were quarantine for a week. I remember during SARS the hotel on the corner of Hennessy and Fenwick was quarantined for some 2 weeks and there a rumor of a Gwailo in there with a take-out from one of the curtain bars, locked in with her for the duration.

Explain that to your wife.:

Keep on mongering  (Eventually, we hope)
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