never had an uncle monger here, so i dunno the details.

there's a book called "After Suzie: Sex in South China," not easy to find but has a link on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/After-Suzi ... 0FHGFVG/ref=sr_1_42

author is a "politically correct" British woman who seems to be muttering "tsk tsk" across its pages, but it describes some of the scene up to 1997, the publication date. descrips of the Mongkok brothels sound like they haven't changed much.

there's a Shaw Brothers movie called MY NAME AIN'T SUZIE (1985) starring Patricia Ha and a very young Anthony Wong Chau-sang (billed as "Anthony Perry"). Ha plays a bumpkin living on a boat who becomes a famous Wanchai bargirl. sets on the Shaws lot pretend to be Wanchai and the mongers are local gwailos wearing US Navy uniforms.

but there's a whiff of street-real Hong Kong and Deanie Ip is excellent as a butch triad auntie (she won as Best Supporting Actress at the Hong Kong Film Awards). directed by Angela Chan and worth a watch if you can find the Celestial DVD, info here:
http://www.yesasia.com/global/my ... -0-0-0-en/info.html

and a description:
The title of My Name Ain't Suzie may evoke the 1960 American film The World of Suzie Wong, but this gritty Shaw Brothers production presents a far less glamorized account of the lives of Hong Kong prostitutes than the popular American romance did. Pat Ha stars as Shui Mei, a poor girl from a fishing village who goes to work as a prostitute at the Lucky Bar in Wanchai. Run by Madam Monie (Betty Ting Pei), the bar is a den of sin for western sailors, who frequent the establishment for their shore leave fix of sexual satisfaction. When Shui Mei meets handsome Eurasian Jimmy (the great Anthony Wong), she starts a feud with the Lucky Bar's manager Angela Yu Chien for Jimmy's affections. The quarrel gets Shui Mei kicked out of the Lucky Bar, and forces her to ultimately ply her trade on Hong Kong's mean streets.

Directed by Angela Chan On Kei, My Name Ain't Suzie presents a more authentic portrait of the bar girl life than the usual glamorized accounts, and features a stellar starring performance by Pat Ha, who was nominated for a Best Actress Hong Kong Film Award. Deannie Ip took home a Best Supporting Actress award for her portrayal of tough gang boss Ying, Shui Mei's eventual friend and benefactor. My Name Ain't Suzie is an intriguing and intelligent look at the world's oldest profession, Hong Kong-style.
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JtB

[ Last edited by  JackTheBat at 24-6-2012 15:10 ]

Wander,


What are you Sting? (the singer) J/K. Sting had stated that he could make love for 8 hours straight without cumming because hehas mastered the art of controlling his sexual urge and erection. Your comments totally reminded me of him.

I rarely have those moments that you have. I have like perhaps 2-3 times that same experience you described. But it's strange, it only happens with girls I connect with. Like they have to enjoy sex, and she has to have lots of reaction during sex for me to to be able to be in that "moment" that you described. Basically I have to click with that girl. The pussy also has to feel right too. It can't be too tight or else it's really easy to cum, and it can't be too loose either.

I too long for that same feeling as well

AsnDragon

You are correct. I think it also has to do with the demeanor of Asian girls. Westernized Asians are usually a bit fatter and their personalities are not as feminine. they appear more obnoxious and loud and give this air of pompous, self absorbed snobbiness. I think the only reason why you think they look HOT, is because they have more money to buy better clothing and cosmetics to accessorize. Otherwise, they are not as pretty as Asian girls, in my personal opinion.

I find that Asian girls (not in industrialized countries) are more humble in their mannerism and I think that adds to their appeal and sexiness as well


AsnDragon

there are people who have written about this in a serious vein: the concept of the extended orgasm. i guess if u go back to the Kama Sutra, humans have always been interested in elevating sex to a higher plane than that of mere procreation. but the EO people are serious when they describe orgasms lasting 30 minutes.

who knows what's going on? personally, i've only noticed two things:

1) what AsnDragon said above. partners are critical: some gals like sex and aren't that goal-oriented, some are definitely looking to finish, and some wanna roll off one after the other. i once had a (platonic) friend who was advising my girlfriend at the time about orgasms, with me sitting there (she wasn't shy). she said: "ya know when you shift gears on a motorcycle? it's like that: the first one revs up quickly, then you drop a gear and rev up more slowly to the next one, then drop another gear..." always loved that analogy. but everyone's different.

2) this isn't a sport for younger men. in my 20s, i just wanted to get off--as many times as possible. u get older and u start paying more attention.

i think attention and concentration are part of this elevated-sex deal. another thing: setting aside time for extended sexual interludes is at odds with our increasingly facile digital culture, where people check their Facebook accounts every five fucking minutes. u gotta have patience, a shared understanding with yr partner, and you must be In The Zone, whatever that is and however u get there.

there a lot of mystery, but that's sex! we humans explore, we're not simply fertilizing eggs and making a thousand offspring, like fish or amphibians, knowing most will be predator-snacks but enough will survive and keep the species going.

JtB

I think you older gentlemen are just worried that once you come you ain't gonna be able to do it again for a long long time!!

Summer's come and gone
Winter is just discontent
And trying to last!

LMAO!
SEAN -

who was it that said "youth is wasted on the young"?

when i was a horny teen, hormones scratching out the inside of my veins, oh yeah baybee...one look at an underwear catalog and i'd run to the bathroom, spend thirty seconds and fertilize the Porcelain Goddess.

two minutes later i'd be looking for a different page. yeah, ask some of the gals i actually banged...once i could say anything more intelligible that "g-g-g-g...uh, heh heh, duh, eh...errrrr"--i was a hopeless caveman. like most of you!

so once i figured out a few things it was GAME ON. and yeah, recovery times were rapid. and as u get older, they get slower. what the hell, that counter keeps going or resets to zero--not much in the way of options.

nowadays, it's about the quality AND the quantity. one advantage Thailand has over Hong Kong is freedom from the ruthlessness of the clock. 30 minutes: i'll have lunch. mongering, give me some time, and let's see what happens.

OK u Idle Chatters, let's not get into a scoring-contest, but let's play a game anyway. tell us about a time when you were SURPRISED at your own body's sexual reaction--for example, sometime when you came involuntarily because she did...what? or when u found yrself doing things u didn't think u cd handle? whatever it is.

or tell a funny sex story.

or post fotos of tits. i like tits. u like tits. cavemen like tits.

JtB

You guys seem to think the quick orgasms of youth were a bad deal. I wish I could agree.

Oh, what I would give to have orgasms like I did when I was a teenager. Or even like in my 30s. You get older, they get slower. Sometimes I will ride a WG for 30-40 min solid before I can blow a load... And they don't like that one little bit. I have even gotten to where when I pick up a girl in a bar, I warn them. Hey, this is gonna take a long time. And I mean a solid time of actual sex, not just fooling around. I have scared a few off, but it seems to have stopped so many of them from getting all complaining halfway through. The worst is whether just give up and make e finish with a HJ. More than a few times, I have has to take things in hand myself. And, well, fuck. I didn't pay all that money just to jerk myself off.

I hate getting old. It's for the birds.

Luckily I can still keep it up, but I have my worries. That'll go next, I am sure. Thank god they have pills for that.

Perhaps it is also the wealth difference.  I know if I am hanging around someone who is considerably more wealthy than I (male or female) I act differently.  I am more deferential.  I try not to, especially in social settings where we are supposed to be social equals, but it is unavoidable.

You mention more humility in less developed countries.  Maybe it is a little bit of awe.

I'll try to answer ya, JtB.  But first, I'll comment that you do indeed need to really click with the gal to get into that zone -- ya kinda got to sense that she's along for the ride with you and WANTS  to be there.  

Anyway, one of my most surprising sexual reactions is with a regular called Lenny.  I wrote about her well over a year ago - but I still see her whenever she's back in town.  

She has a great personality and wonderfully magnificent, huge tits.  But apart from that she is just "okay" in the looks department.  But my dick explodes on contact with her pussy almost every time and then recovers INSTANTLY to do it again.  It's weird.  But nice.  We meet and fondle and suck and all is normal; I slide in and Wham! Instant orgasm.  I won't even go soft much - just change condoms and go again.  I once did this 4 times in a row with her (though we did rest a bit in between).

We laugh about it... And she's flattered by it, actually.  But it is weird.  Her pussy makes me cum on sight, it seems.  Odd.

[ Last edited by  wander at 25-6-2012 04:28 ]

Hmmmm....wonder if it's now worthwhile to discuss what makes for a the Biggest Bang for the Buck when with a WG and conversely, what makes for the biggest Buck for the Bang as far as the WG is concerned.

As a sot of "Public Service" discussion for members to figure out ways to maximize the pleasure/experience - and in turn, how to watch out for some of the tricks our beloved gals have up their sleeves.

SEA - trying to be a discerning monger...and establish the relevance of the ICT. LOL!

SEAN--yeah yeah...you have a way of rubbing it in when it comes to us older guys huh? Yes, we are afraid of not being able to get it up again for the whole entire evening. quite sad, but it goes with the territory of gettin' old.


Intenseslacker--Yes I do find that I end up doing a girl quite long. In addition, when you have already done a girl in the afternoon and take your chick back to do after KTV late at night, i becomes really hard to cum, especially after drinking CP's infamous fake alcohol too! Many younger girls get impatient. But the older girls 25+ older usually like it when you continually kiss them and do it slow and intimately, rather than pumping her like crazy! in the end, girls that like sex, do like it nice and slower. Right SEAN?


Wander-- There are really some pussies that are made for your penis. I truly believe this! I have some pussies that just feel so damn good! not too tight and not too loose. just the right amount of pressure as her the walls of vaginal wrap around my penis. it's hard to describe. In addition, some girl's G spots are too close to the opening and so some girls find that it hurts when you pump too deep. But some girl's G spots are just right, you reach it at the tip of your penis if you go deep. But it's sort of a surprise tothem when your penis rubs against it only once in a while as opposed to all the time. TOo much makes it numb i hear. Imagine ifa girl just gave you a BJ by only sucking on the tip of your penis..it would not feel too good. she has to only touch the tip once in a while or in equal variances so it doesn't numb the whole sensation.

Don't know if i'm making any sense..

AsnDragon

paladin310          25-6-2012 15:58          Acceptance          +1          Really? SoCal VN gals are smoking hot, but many have big egos.



paladin,


I had messaged you in regards to this comment. But i wanted to share with everyone on this board. What i meant was ASians in Asia. For some reason, once they go to the states, canada or any western country, their attitudes and outlook in life changes. They come more self absorbed and feel more entitled. All of a sudden when they go to a western country, they feel like they are more important and deserve "more"

You take a Southern California Vietnamese girl and she's got an attitude and pretty pompous. It's the American culture that a guy should put a girl on a pedestal. But when you go vietnam and find a girl who never left vietnam, and she's very humble and a lot more pleasant to be around. I have always said that western culture has poisoned the balance of Asian culture.

Even American laws, and HK is following this practice as well, are written to serve the interests of women in general and not that of men. During divorce proceedings, women almost always gets custody of the kids. Men need to pay up the ass in alimony even if the women earns quite a bit of money as well. NO wonder marriage rates are dropping off significantly everywhere. the laws make it so that women have more inventive to exit a marriage than to stay together. When they sign that marriage certificate, it's basically their lottery ticket, so that if one day she decides to leave you for any reason- even if she finds another man, she can divorce you and take your assets and future income.

That really does explain why younger men are reluctant to get married. Even if they do they are getting smarter with prenuptials. Women fire back and say prenuptial agreements areso "unromantic." But honestly, be unromantic and save your ass. If a women won't marry you because of a prenup you are:

1. marrying a golddigger
2. Marrying a women who's flat broke

I have never seen a rich women say no to a prenuptial agreement before. This also explains why people marry with women in the same social class as well, which is widely prevalent in HK , china and elsewhere in the whole world. but then again that's another topic to get into.

So if you have a GF in an asian country and you live in a western country and you plan on being together long term. You better move to that asian country she's in. Because once you take her back to your western country, she will change and usually for the worse:

1. she'll get fatter
2. she'll get bichier
3. she'll act and demand more from you emotionally and financially

just my thoughts

AsnDragon

Hell...you guys have already had your fun...and still getting "second dips" with your money and Viagra....Leave some for us young bucks will ya??

Seriously, I really do think that what with Viagra and other EDS medication nowadays, seniors are really having the time of their lives! Something which previous generations of geriatrics were NOT privileged with. On top of that, their monetary wherewithal certainly puts older guys at an unfair advantage over young bucks.

I mean I would think that most WG's would prefer an older Gentleman who's more likely to be more generous, gentler and understanding versus youngbloods who're gonna be more virile and physically demanding...time and time again - right?!

SEAN - the grass is always greener....

I think most WGs want somene - anyone - who has a small dick, cums in seconds, pays the asking price (with a big tip) and gets out of the way for the next guy ... all this debate about age and virility is our own ego talking!!

True...oh so true.  Thus my assertion that the older gents amongst us is at a very unfair advantage over the young bucks!

And BTW, just ran into Waikeekee and he told me something which I hope this is the beginning of something good.

He said that only for this week Monday-Thursday, that the Mayflower is offering buy 1 dozen get 4 dozens Tsing Tao beer for the first order.

Hope this is a sign that the terrific upward pricing pressure in CP is coming to and end.

SEAN

Yeah I don't know if this is true but many of my regular girls in CP are telling me that business is CP has been slow recently, especially ever since The Chinese new year. I think it's the crazy KTV pricing that has gotten out of hand! TW alcohol pricing dropping is a good start, but it's the girls fee structure that has been scaring off many customers.

Beginning of change? Or beginning of the end due to over saturation and greed?


AsnDragon

I'd like to think that this is the beginning of the operators in CP realizing that their business is dropping because their pricing is higher than what the market can bear...and thus hopefully their dropping their prices.

This has been the pattern in the past and I'm hoping for the same to happen now.  But you're right in that its this upward pressure on the price of the gals that is the main factor.  After all, how much do most of us actually drink vs. how much more one needs to pay for a girl  these days - compared to the old 2-5-8 pricing. And on that score, I'm not too optimistic for the fact of the matter is that girl pricing in CP is still way lower than in many other paces in China.

On top of that, as wages in other industries has also risen so much, operators are now having a tough time attracting girls to work at KTV's.
CP KTV gals, the marginal ones at least, were only making  approx RMB 5-6K/month max at the 2-5-8 pricing; nowadays, factory workers, service staff etc makes over 2k/month. And at the other end of the spectrum, well...all those Malaysian/Singaporean guys packaging these gals!

SEAN..hmmmm....!

AsnDragon,
You mentioned westernised Chinese as being HOT because of better dressed - One thing I've noticed is go down to the beach here in July and August, all the cbc's lying out suntanning.  Beautiful fine Chinese features, dark copper sun tan, combined with a bright coloured bikini - it is one of the most stunning sights in the universe.  And you know that they are the native born, - the immigrants and tourists are the ghosts with the umbrellas.

Dartagnan:
Speaking of WG's who want you to come in seconds, I was reading on one of the Thai boards, that the Bangkok WG's search for the 3-3-3 punters - 3 inches, 3 minutes, 3,000 baht.  They get good at judging by appearance, and if your appearance meets their suspicions, they'll be all over you in the bar.

Intenseslacker:
On finding it harder to come - I notice that when it is my first time with a girl.  Maybe a bit of nerves?  Repeats don't seem to be a problem.  I did see discussion on another thread about a WG putting a small dab of lube on the tip before applying the condom, saying it improves sensation.  I've got to give that a try.

Reminds me of the time I was strolling with my old, prim and proper aunt from Brighton to Hove alongside the beach on the first bright day of Summer.

Here we were chatting away with her on my arms when I started noticing what appears to be white beached whales or seals....until I looked properly and here they were - the Pride of Britannia sunning themselves in all their natural glory!

It was actually quite gross...yet it still managed to turn me on big time...and as soon as I got back to London....just had to call in "somebody"

SEAN

SEAN-- yes, once again it's the increase in wages all over, coupled with the inflation rampant everywhere. Even though reports show that pricing inflation for consumer goods are dropping, it is still apparent that inflation is outpacing wages throughout china. CP really is much cheaper than other cities in China when it comes to KTV rates. In fact, CP is one of those more rare places where girls actually are more likely than NOT to go out with customers for ST and or LT. some may argue that CP's pricing is still justified at today's current pricing structure. However, today's KTV pricing in CP is starting the hurt the wallets of many brothers.

let's face it, Singaporeans and Malaysians are more generous in tipping, but they don't even make up for 15-20% of the daily traffic of customers who frequent KTVs in CP. Most of the KTV customers today are the following (ranked by frequency):

1. HK
2. Local Chinese
3. Taiwanese
4. Singaporean
5. Malaysians

The key to CP's success is still going to be the HK mongers who frequent CP almost every week or every other week, they are still the bread and butter of CP customer base. These recent years in CP, i've seen a decline of HK mongers as the RMB is rising and inflation is rampant. How are the KTVs going to retain the HK mongers? I see more HK mongers going to Saunas and BBS more often than KTVs these days. do you notice this recent trend?

The success of CP's future lies in maintaining HK mongers and attracting Local Rich Chinese customers to fill the missing clientle base.

Yazoo-- i think it all depends on the guy's tastes and preferences. I know some brothers who are more westernized like chinese girls that are  more tanned as they think it looks healthier and sexier. BUt you ask an Asian Brother who has less western influence, they prefer the girls to be fair skinned and pale, the lighter the skin the better. I personally like girls to be more fair skinned in general. So it all depends on the tastes and preferences of the brother observing.

I could never understand why Western media think Lucy Liu is very hot and pretty! When I see Lucy Liu I find her to be hideous. so different strokes for different folks.


ASnDragon