I usually forget to give k's anyways. A bad habit, should change that.

But, reason i think, why 1st thread gets mpre views, is exactly because
it is more entertaining, and more importantly interseting.

Anyways, off to give k's...

Hi everyone.

I am putting this topic up here since it seems like more bros do pay attention onto this thread comparing with the sauna section (seems like the sauna section is really dead during the past few weeks...).

Ok, here is my situation which I would like to ask advice from the experienced bros here.

Recently, I have been asked by one of my regular FS sauna girl to go out with her on her day off.
Although I have seen her at this sauna for more than 10 times, I honestly don't know whether she asked me this simply for "business", or just for her personal fun.
I know that some girls take it very sad if we try to pay her after the deed when she was just there for a normal date.

However, let's just put that aside and assume that she is only looking for more dollars from me in this occasion. My question is, how much would be a fair amount of money (how much would be too much) to pay her for a one day escort say, from 18:00 til 12:00 noon(on the next day), have dinner together, additional drinks at the bar, limitless shots at the hotel, maybe breakfast the next day, and leave (all the food and drinks would of course be paid by myself).

I read on the past posts that generally, girls working at high end FS saunas (which is the case for this girl) would earn 30K-40K a month. She told me that she only has around 4 days off a month(1 day per week) , so that would be 30K-40K/(30-4)=1,154-1,538 a day. So, adding some extras for the escorting/tips, do you think it would be fair if I pay her around $2,000 for this ?

This kind of thing has been discussed many times for walk-up girls, but I never came across one for FS sauna girls so would like to ask for all of your advice.

According to what she has told me previously, this girl works around 26 days a month (6 days a week) from 17:00-2:00am, has 4-6 customers a day, among the 4-6 customers 30%-50% of them ask for FS while the rest would only do HJ. The venue she works at would charge you something like 1,050-1,200 for FS and 850-950 for HJ depending on when you get there.
(I am also interested on how much among the whole session price actually goes to the girls. Does anyone know ?)

Last but not the least, I am talking about HK saunas, and the pricing is all in HK$ here.

Thanks for reading.

Ibiza

[ Last edited by  Ibiza at 8-9-2011 13:54 ]

OH WOW!  What a great topic!

But first thing first - are we talking Sauna girl in Hong Kong, Macau or China - and if in china - where? As the prices vary a lot between different locales.

And since I don't know where you're talking about, I'll leave the actual money amounts off and instead tackle the "psyche" side of this question.  And of course only IMHO!!

Anyway, most sauna gals live very miserable solitary lives, basically just as a sex machine. They do not/cannot have any friends outside of their sauna work-mates for fear of being "exposed" for the kind of girl she is; and the friends she does have at the sauna are also there for only 1 reason - making as much money as possible in the shortest period of time - and thus wont to even screw each other up as a matter of survival (they're there competing for customers all day long).

Long hours of dreary, degrading (think ass rimming, sucking toes and whatever else is in the 14, 24 or even 36 steps menu), back-breaking and lonely work. So when she somehow or other manages to make a "connection" with a certain customer - she is of course elated and even dare to dream of "alternatives" in her life.

And IMHO, you've probably become one such customer to her - and as such, I'd counsel that you should treat her/the discussion with all the humanity, kindness and fairness you could muster up as another human being should. Yes, you're a monger first and foremost and its important that you NOT lose sight of this - but think about how badly you can screw her mind up if you fully take advantage of her vulnerabilities . And let me assure you that a lot of these sauna gals are VERY vulnerable.

I'd suggest that you discuss this matter thoroughly with her and NOT presume/assume anything until you've truly come to an understanding.  Look-it, I'd think that the actual amount of money involved would be quite small in relation to your net worth - and probably even to her, as Sauna gals DO make quite a bit.  But I'd think that the chance to go out AS A NORMAL PERSON, to feel human again, to be treated as another human being - these are what's important to her on her 1 day off per week (Note - many times these days are combined together for when they have their period - so please make sure about this too first).

I know that you're probably NOT gonna be there to screw her up - but if you take what I write above into consideration, I'm sure that you can come to some kind of pricing which will not only be fair to all concerned - but will be a comfort to both as its a price decided between REAL human beings with real feelings and caring.

Like I said, just IMHO

SEAJ

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 8-9-2011 15:04 ]

By "chance to go out AS A NORMAL PERSON, to feel human again, to be treated as another human being", I seriously thought u were referring to the guy, not the girl. LOL!

We have all been in situations like this. Thing to know is that if he does take her on a normal date and so on and does not pay her, then things will get awkward for him in the sauna, like "not being able to pick other girls syndrome".

My advice is take her out, and at the end just give her some money, dont make it feel as if ur paying for the punt but make a different reason why you are paying her, like get a new phone or new shoes, etc.

Thank you for your prompt and detailed advice.

Sorry that I didn't write clearly about the location & currency up front, but as written at the very end of my first post, my story is in HK and all the amount therein are in HK$.

I totally understand what you mean, and I also think it's better to make sure what her demand is out of this up front before we face into any sad results by misunderstanding each other.

Once again, if in case (not assuming but actually after confirming with her) she wants money out of this dating thing, generally speaking, how much do you think is a fair amount to pay her ?

To share more with you, I have no demand to get into any serious relationship with her, and she is so far cool about that (well, at least she still wanted to see me outside after I told her that).

Just my 2 cents

You say you've been with her for more than 10 times. I would assume, you "know"her pretty well.
Does she seem like a very money hungry girl?
-Of course, at the end of the day, she's there to make money

It seems that, she just wants to also enjoy her free day with someone she is familiar with. That would be you.

I think the best way to handle this situation, is to take her out, have a great time, and buy her a gift.
This way, she will not feel that she's a WG on her free time. Maybe get her an authentic Gucci wallet. They go at around 2000hkd.

THAT SAID

There's a small downside to this. You do not want the girl to think that maybe you love her, and if she falls for you, you need to be
prepared what to do then. Right now at the moment, I feel that you have some "feelings" for her, and it is mutual.

I've been there, TRUST me... just so you know, be prepared.

Since you dont want to get in a serious relation with her, I wouldnt suggest buying gifts. Just pay her what you normally would at the sauna, and tell her that this is for her time and that you dont want her to lose out on making money just coz shes with you.

Oooh just be careful about what you really want with this girl. Is it just the sex or companionship as well? I too have been in a similar situation where i've fallen for a girl i met in the sauna, becoming her regular and chattingg her up via sms or calling her. We seemed to be getting along,  but in the end it was all business for her and that shattered my heart. Or it can work the other way as well she falls for you and all you really wanted was some booty. It someti,es leads to some bad situations at the sauna as she can spread false rumors about you.
BUT i have also on occasion broughtt out attendants on their free time. For me usually dinner, drinks, and a small fee (depending if st or lt) is ok.
Example:
1. Dinner out 200 (depends on where you brimg her... I actuallly brought one to a mcdonalds and she loved it ;p)
2. Drinks (again debatable which bar or club you bring her to.) 200
3. Her fee: usually i give 400 to 500 as i;ve plyed her with food and drinks already: although some have asked for as much as  1000 for an overnighter...i've usually brought it down to 750 or so. If she does well i give extra.
soo anywhere from 800 to nearly 2000 depending on where you go, what you do
good luck and watch your heart and hers :p

Thanks for pointing this out to me. I THOUGHT both of those experiences/threads showed "heart" but, after re-reading them both, I guess that the one about Xiao Xiao does convey less "heart" and concentrate too much about her foolishness etc. But I still cannot see how this would account for so much difference in the level  of readership and acceptance between the 2 threads.

Hey, I've also just noticed that A Ching's thread got "HIGHLIGHTED," (Title changed to Bold, Blue lettering) whilst Xiao Xiao's was not. Wow - I wonder if such highlighting accounts for this BIG difference in readership and participation?  
Sure seems like it!

Maybe I'm over-analyzing all this and should just put it down to the fact that A Ching certainly does have a nicer set of TITS!!!

LOL!

BTW

You guys sure are a tough audience!!  
Either that or else you're just so jaded with GREAT pictures all over the forum that such don't impress you none no-more!
I mean - not a comment, not a question, not a peep about my last set of PIXS?!
I mean forCrissakes - one was a "just about do anything gal" and the other was a "high-in-demand-well-known-Squirter" and then of course.....XIAO XIAO!

JEEEZZZ!!!!

You guys sure are a tough audience!!

LOL



[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 8-9-2011 20:55 ]

First of all, I would like to thank all you bros who gave me various advices within such a short amount of time.
It's amazing ! If I have posted the same thing on the other sections, probably, I wouldn't been able to obtain such an amount of replies with few hours. I am already starting to love this thread. Thank you bro SEAJ for putting this thread up !

Back to the story.

1. I don't wish to get into any serious relationship with the girl such as trying to make her my "real" girl friend, helping her "escape" from the sauna working scene, help her financially etc. Therefore, I think I would feel more comfortable if the girl asks me for certain amount of money for dating/fucking me on her day off.

2. If she truly wishes not to obtain money from doing the deed with me (which I believe would never be the case), I can be cool with that, but if she is trying to enter more serious relationship with me from that, I think I would stop meeting her both at the sauna and also outside. As some bros have suggested, I would still try to pay her cash (no wallets, bags or any other objects since I don't want her to take it wrong) in a respective kind of way.

3. Whatever the reason is, she needs to fuck people to raise her living. If obtaining the same amount of money from spending the same time with one guy, it would definitely be better for her if she can get it from somebody who she knows, can have fun with, and would be kind to her. And the reason why I have seen her for more than 10 times at the sauna by spending all those money is because I simply love to fuck her ! Yes, she is fun to talk with, easy going, kind etc. However, if she is not going to allow me to fuck her, I wouldn't have sticked with her for so long.

4. So there it is. A guy who is willing to pay to fuck. I girl who needs to sleep with someone to raise money. Nothing serious between them (so far), but they seem to get along well to fill mutual demand. I am aware that one's feelings can easily change time to time but I hope we can continue this suitable "distance" even though we see each other outside.

Thanks for reading.

Glad that you enjoy the way things are on this thread; we're a diverse and yet a bit closer knit group of guys as compared to the rest of the forum.
  
Guys here come and go and whatever - but whenever there's not much other "action" on the board, well, we just saunter back here and start chatting or ranting or again...whatever!! Also, when we've got questions, or wish to discuss anything or just want to say HI, well, this is our own little playground - so to call! But we welcome MOST one and all!!

On your proposed "tryst" with your gal - I can see that you've got it all pretty well thought out and planned for - and this is GREAT!  Just make sure that you DO stick to it. For like it or not, you have to remember what her actual job is - and that she probably knows all the tricks in the book.

But she is after all also only human - and I think that if you are straight-forward and honest with you, then she should/must also be the same with you. You like being with her, you enjoy sex with her - but you don't want much more than sex with a friend and a friendly face; she is probably over-worked, jaded and also in need of a friend who can give her not only friendship but also sex in the conventional/romantic way...but nonetheless still needs to be paid.

With such an understanding on both parties, I'm sure that you 2 can come to an equitable - and pleasurable - arrangement.

Good luck!!

SEA

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 8-9-2011 23:51 ]

Wow you prefer KTVing alone? never heard of that. you must really know how to get a party started!

Mates,

this question is serious punting and not fun about the unitended special PR campaign by CX last month.

My new job will allow me to travel much more and i really started to think how to get laid on a plane. As Ryanair http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfIY24BErBE is unlikely to offer their blowjob product anytime i wonder if any of you guys have experience or even hints on how to get it done. I know that some UK ladies offer it but prices are whopping (first/biz return ticket plus booking for a full day) so that's prohibitive for me.

Thank you in advance for any serious hints or ideas to make it happen.

Yes I like to party alone and it's not a dead awkward party either...  Being able to speak the language and know their games helps out alot.    I am having CP withdrawal though.  Since I'm not a newbie anymore I may venture out further next year and party a little differently.  You guys enjoy it while it lasts.... Lots of gems is all I can say....

BSD put me with ABCs CBCs , "Asians" and I don't fit in to any of those classes.  I am best suited with hardcore locals and KTV managers although I am an ABC banana myself.... Wierd huh??!

See you guys around... Remember don't put too much emotions on these WGs otherwise you'll just end up hurting yourself when it's time to leave....

CP141 aka 大白鲨

[ Last edited by  cp141 at 8-9-2011 18:05 ]

How will you be resolving the telephone part?  You have service?

@ibiza: congrats for being able to keep your fave WG man. I have some local WG in the past that I've keep coming back too. They are not necessarily prettier and all, but were just a good fuck, good chat, and good fun. I wouldn't buying them things, and definitely not into any relationship of any kind. However, we do establish a good "pal" relationship, a good fuck on a fee. And because they feel comfortable with me, they usually don't bother with the fee amount, they believe in me. Of course, you still pay a "reasonable" amount. They had fun while still earning some cash, and I had a good fuck with a "pal-price" so it's a win-win situation.

my piece of advice will be similar to what the others have said. First, make sure you and her have the same ground of understanding. That it will not be a relationship of any kind. After all, you still pay her for sex, and she's still a WG no matter what. However, a good, mutual feeling is always good. Maybe she just enjoy her time with you more so she preferred your companion as well. But yeah, common ground is important. Just my 2c.

I remember to give my K away after reading your post. Especially giving those that provide good information to guide us along this hobby. Thanks.

Damn it, I forgot to try California Red, and 18 Palace there last time... are they still open? I love bars more than KTV!!!!  I know a couple WG who works there and as KTV 小姐 part time....    Since I love local fobby TST bars, I think this will be my next spot to hit!  

That's cool. I don't think i'd be able to handle it with me and 5 girls tho. I find it so much effort even on just 2 girls!

One of the best parts of partying in guy groups is the after-stories you get to chat about the next morning... you know like "remember when she did this and that... blah blah blah", "remember the crazy one who did this and that..." etc.

Actually, I tend to believe small nice gifts (like perfume or earrings) would be thoughtful.  Just do not go overboard by getting a ring, Gucci or Tiffany type gift.  You might get better service in the long run but be mindful to draw a line somewhere to protect both parties. As an alternative, since this is a "date" of sorts then consider a gift card.