wander
Godfather of Hole
Rank: 9Rank: 9Rank: 9


UID 40669
Digest Posts 0
Credits 7597
Posts 2953
Karma 7412
Acceptance 3692
Reading Access 90
Registered 2-3-2010
Status Offline
Post at 12-3-2013 10:18  Profile P.M. 
Font size: S M L
Reply #19 misspumpkin's post

Yeah, you will find most of us on this forum treat WGs with respect.  We are there for "fun" afterall, not a stressful time.  It just makes sense.  Still, I have heard my share of horror stories from gals, and I am sure you have had a few.  Thanks for sharing!  Interesting stuff.

Another question:  have you ever fallen for a punter?  I mean really fallen hard for one?  This is a topic that comes up often enough in reverse (where a punter has fallen head-over-heels for a WG.  Happened to me once: a many year affair that was lovely, complicated, painful, wonderous, etc. Etc..

Recent Ratings
misspumpkin   13-3-2013 12:26  Acceptance  +1   I hope I've answered your question see below
Top
hunter (Real Slim Slapper-Status: 九叔 .)
Fucking Legend
Rank: 10Rank: 10Rank: 10


UID 2748
Digest Posts 0
Credits 16230
Posts 12435
Karma 16060
Acceptance 3408
Reading Access 100
Registered 5-8-2007
Location Pussy Paradise, Earth
Status Offline
Post at 12-3-2013 10:29  Profile P.M. 
Font size: S M L


QUOTE:
Originally posted by misspumpkin at 11-3-2013 22:06


im now part of the WG circle and we are a VERY TIGHT BUNCH. ...

Miss P.

I am interested to hear about this.

Sometime when i visit a WG, they tend to bad mouth and say bad things about other service providers in the same block.
Even if they are friend, they compare notes and talks bad things with each other. I have a few experiences.

Envy? Scared to lose out business? etc?
I dont really get into their buisiness and what they actually think.


Since you mentioned about service provider Circle, maybe we like to hear more....

Recent Ratings
misspumpkin   13-3-2013 09:40  Acceptance  +1   I think I have answered your question please below.




Retired from pussy arena….Uncle 9

Top
wander
Godfather of Hole
Rank: 9Rank: 9Rank: 9


UID 40669
Digest Posts 0
Credits 7597
Posts 2953
Karma 7412
Acceptance 3692
Reading Access 90
Registered 2-3-2010
Status Offline
Post at 12-3-2013 11:08  Profile P.M. 
Font size: S M L
Reply #22 hunter's post

I was always happy to hear when a gal I was with would tell me she had some kind of "support" group in place.  Seems some do and some dont.  Most of these gals (in HK) are from out of the country, right?  So just imagine how vulnerable they must feel if things go badly (getting sick or completely broke or whatever).  A thin line they walk.

Still, from what I hear, and tell me if I am wrong, MissP, is that it sounds like this backup from other WGs is pretty weak.  Everyone is transient (which makes you quite different, I suppose, being a local HKer) so trust never really builds and thefts or other shit amongst WGs seems to happen.

Recent Ratings
misspumpkin   13-3-2013 09:41  Acceptance  +1   I think I have answered your question please below.
hunter   12-3-2013 11:33  Acceptance  +1   yup
Top
misspumpkin
Nookie Newbie
Rank: 1


UID 80113
Digest Posts 0
Credits 62
Posts 125
Karma 15
Acceptance 931
Reading Access 10
Registered 3-12-2011
Status Offline
Post at 12-3-2013 15:27  Profile P.M. 
Font size: S M L
Good questions

Some good questions , will respond later as having a busy day ....
Top
doghead (dog)
Erotic Emperor
Rank: 6Rank: 6



UID 16705
Digest Posts 0
Credits 2985
Posts 2230
Karma 2893
Acceptance 1832
Reading Access 60
Registered 2-12-2008
Status Offline
Post at 12-3-2013 17:31  Profile P.M. 
Font size: S M L
I am curious as to how do you determine a person's background. Do you ask them questions before meeting up, meet them for coffee first, then ask them, or ask them once you get in the hotel room?

Plus you must be an expert in accents and cultural terminology that you can possibly tell if a person is lying about his nationality? I may have to go to acting school so I can adopt an Australian accent.

Recent Ratings
misspumpkin   13-3-2013 10:39  Acceptance  +1   I have tried my best to answer you question below
obe   12-3-2013 19:51  Acceptance  +1   G'day mate!
Thai-delight   12-3-2013 18:16  Acceptance  +1   LOL
Top
misspumpkin
Nookie Newbie
Rank: 1


UID 80113
Digest Posts 0
Credits 62
Posts 125
Karma 15
Acceptance 931
Reading Access 10
Registered 3-12-2011
Status Offline
Post at 13-3-2013 08:10  Profile P.M. 
Font size: S M L
finally home

OK I will answer all the questions, finally home was a crazy night.
Top
misspumpkin
Nookie Newbie
Rank: 1


UID 80113
Digest Posts 0
Credits 62
Posts 125
Karma 15
Acceptance 931
Reading Access 10
Registered 3-12-2011
Status Offline
Post at 13-3-2013 08:11  Profile P.M. 
Font size: S M L


QUOTE:
Originally posted by twiceAweek at 12-3-2013 09:22
wow ... you actually give money back if you feel you've had some great sex ?  ...  from now on you may have bros trying their best, giving their best for this opportunity ... but of course I'd expect they would be a gentlemen and wouldn't take the money back !  

do you make any distinction between Indians and Pakistanis ? I understand from other girls there's a big difference.

I'm surprised to hear your analysis on ABCs ... I would have thought locals (walk up scene) would bargain more and be ruder then ABC ... would this make any difference between walk up or outcall ?

nobody has ever taken the money when I,ve offered it back. I have had it stolen from me a few times. there is a very big difference between Indians and Pakistanis. Pakistanis are easy to tell apart
once you know and they are trouble trouble trouble. Indians often get a bad rep because of these guys. Locals do bargain at lot , but they do it with certain restraints. I would also bundle overseas
educated Chinese with the ABCs they  go study for 4 years come back gods....pffffft

          Local                                                                                                  ABC
Can you do cheaper?                                                                          why not cheaper
can you package Anal and BBBJ for a cheaper price?                          I will only pay 400 for everthing OK
No need/ no thankyou (when open door)                                            NO! or WAAAAAA with shitty face (when open door)


I'm not sure why But ABCs are rude and arrogant , But Canadian, British Chinese ect are fine. Also might be that I give them a bit back as well. Locals if you understand the culture are ok but could dobetter. the walk up situation is best suited to local punters. they can spend 2 hours shopping around, and save 50 bucks. I think they enjoy the shopping around and talking to the girls.
Its all part of the event  for them.

Recent Ratings
twiceAweek   13-3-2013 12:44  Acceptance  +20   thanks for sharing your thoughts
hunter   13-3-2013 10:03  Acceptance  +10   very interesting observation......new info everyday to us
Top
misspumpkin
Nookie Newbie
Rank: 1


UID 80113
Digest Posts 0
Credits 62
Posts 125
Karma 15
Acceptance 931
Reading Access 10
Registered 3-12-2011
Status Offline
Post at 13-3-2013 09:39  Profile P.M. 
Font size: S M L


QUOTE:
Originally posted by hunter at 12-3-2013 10:29
Miss P.

I am interested to hear about this.

Sometime when i visit a WG, they tend to bad mouth and say bad things about other service providers in the same block.
Even if they are friend, they compare notes and talks bad things with each other. I have a few experiences.

Envy? Scared to lose out business? etc?
I dont really get into their buisiness and what they actually think.

Since you mentioned about service provider Circle, maybe we like to hear more.....



QUOTE:
Originally posted by wander at 12-3-2013 11:08
I was always happy to hear when a gal I was with would tell me she had some kind of "support" group in place.  Seems some do and some dont.  
Most of these gals (in HK) are from out of the country, right?  So just imagine how vulnerable they must feel if things go badly (getting sick or completely broke or whatever).  
A thin line they walk.

Still, from what I hear, and tell me if I am wrong, MissP, is that it sounds like this backup from other WGs is pretty weak.  Everyone is transient
(which makes you quite different, I suppose, being a local HKer) so trust never really builds and thefts or other shit amongst WGs seems to happen.

I think the four main factors that affect the stability of a WGs support circle are the size of the cluster, the presence of 7daysgirls, the customer base of each girl, and the average age .

Yes its sad to say that some girls really are bitchy but smile at you,but after all its business. If its a big building with girls on many floors I do believe its hard to keep harmony. CC is shrinking so its
getting tighter. Where there's 7days girls there's trouble. they bring pimps, small time thieves and other problems, this will affect harmony. CC recently kicked all the 7 day girls out. If a WG is well
established with a good rep she should have a steady repeat client base and not worry about the other girls . With all the rooms shutting at cc its really only the established that stayed.I generally
find the older they get the more bitchy the WGs get, most of the girls on my floor are under 30. Also most of the girls on my floor have other revenue streams so they tend not to get stressed if
its quiet. All in all I think I've been lucky.

I think that answers your questions please let me know if I missed something out

Recent Ratings
ramont   13-3-2013 22:27  Acceptance  +5   good insight
Kim53   13-3-2013 20:19  Acceptance  +4   Thanks for the input
hunter   13-3-2013 12:51  Acceptance  +30   thx
Top
hunter (Real Slim Slapper-Status: 九叔 .)
Fucking Legend
Rank: 10Rank: 10Rank: 10


UID 2748
Digest Posts 0
Credits 16230
Posts 12435
Karma 16060
Acceptance 3408
Reading Access 100
Registered 5-8-2007
Location Pussy Paradise, Earth
Status Offline
Post at 13-3-2013 10:06  Profile P.M. 
Font size: S M L
Thank you for your answer...




Also interesting to know this fact:

QUOTE:
Originally posted by misspumpkin at 13-3-2013 09:39
Where there's 7days girls there's trouble. they bring pimps, small time thieves and other problems, this will affect harmony  ...





Retired from pussy arena….Uncle 9

Top
anon_bear
Lustful Lord
Rank: 4


UID 92361
Digest Posts 0
Credits 614
Posts 128
Karma 604
Acceptance 204
Reading Access 40
Registered 5-7-2012
Location US/HK
Status Offline
Post at 13-3-2013 10:29  Profile P.M. 
Font size: S M L
Ok, MissP, so its plain to see you like girls too. You also mentioned you had a close circle of WG friends too. So my question is do you and the other girls ever play? Do you ever offer free services to them? Do they ever accept? I know it must be frustrating sometimes to have a punter go in and finish right when you are starting to feel good. If that happens 10 times a day I imagine it can become really irritating!

Second question, how often do you get girls responding to your CL ad for free services? If I could send my SO to you I would. She's a super cute little local girl, but unfortunately she doesn't seem into girls much.

Last, do you have a BF/GF/SO?



Also, to reiterate wander's question, have you ever fallen for/dated a client?







Looking forward to hearing more from you! Glad you stayed and decided to keep us company here!

Recent Ratings
misspumpkin   13-3-2013 12:25  Acceptance  +1   I hope I've answered your question
Top
misspumpkin
Nookie Newbie
Rank: 1


UID 80113
Digest Posts 0
Credits 62
Posts 125
Karma 15
Acceptance 931
Reading Access 10
Registered 3-12-2011
Status Offline
Post at 13-3-2013 10:36  Profile P.M. 
Font size: S M L


QUOTE:
Originally posted by doghead at 12-3-2013 17:31
I am curious as to how do you determine a person's background. Do you ask them questions before meeting up, meet them for coffee first, then ask them, or ask them once you get in the hotel
room?..Plus you must be an expert in accents and cultural terminology that you can possibly tell if a person is lying about his nationality? I may have to go to acting school so I can adopt an
Australian accent

Hmmmmm , Dont really want to answer this as I don't want to give too much away. There are clowns around that would love to get past my defences. I'm not expert in accents that why I stipulate
SMS or e.mail only easier to review written words than it is spoken. Never meet for coffee bad idea most likely a talker. Talkers will waste your time never pay and try to talk you in to bed, that's
another reason why SMS e.mail only. Most times I straight up ask, how they respond normally makes it clear. Even before I ask they give many clues without knowing. I can tell just looking at the
CCTV if he's local, ABC, Japanese, or mainland and if he's serious. Think about it a WG spends her time watching the CCTV, answering messages, or e.mails after a while we start to notice patterns or
other more experienced girls point them out. Just as a basic example if I look at the CCTV and see a slow walking man with his hands behind his back he's a looker never goes in. Also if I get an SMS
asking for a face picture before anything else he's ABC. If I get a SMS that asks me for prices and face pic in the same message he's local.

There are many clues and flags that tell me and other WGs about the man's ethnicity and state of mind.I would rather keep them as my secret.

I hope this has helped answer your questions

Recent Ratings
hakkaboy   18-6-2013 04:26  Acceptance  +1   a good insight
gwailoplayer   25-3-2013 20:48  Acceptance  +1   don't give away your trade secrets - its how you survive and avoid a beating
doghead   13-3-2013 15:00  Acceptance  +6   Thanks for answering. So I guess acting school is out of the question for me.
hunter   13-3-2013 12:52  Acceptance  +10   good intel
Top
wander
Godfather of Hole
Rank: 9Rank: 9Rank: 9


UID 40669
Digest Posts 0
Credits 7597
Posts 2953
Karma 7412
Acceptance 3692
Reading Access 90
Registered 2-3-2010
Status Offline
Post at 13-3-2013 12:07  Profile P.M. 
Font size: S M L
Reply #31 misspumpkin's post

Cool.  That's fine.

The only question you haven't answered us whether you've ever fallen for one of us.  I don't specifically mean a 141 Bro, but a regular punter client of yours.  It happens.    We've heard many, many tales here from the Bros point of view -- never one from the gal's.  

Perhaps it is more poignant to me as I am still in love with one.  Same one the Bros here have heard about for years -- so nothing new for them.  Or has the job jaded you against men possibly?  (that might be understandable too aswell).

Recent Ratings
misspumpkin   13-3-2013 12:33  Acceptance  +1   have answered question see below
anon_bear   13-3-2013 12:15  Acceptance  +2   hmm, jaded? maybe thats why she likes girls/services them for free! maybe?
Top
misspumpkin
Nookie Newbie
Rank: 1


UID 80113
Digest Posts 0
Credits 62
Posts 125
Karma 15
Acceptance 931
Reading Access 10
Registered 3-12-2011
Status Offline
Post at 13-3-2013 12:19  Profile P.M. 
Font size: S M L


QUOTE:
Originally posted by wander at 12-3-2013 10:18..... Yeah, you will find most of us on this forum treat WGs with respect.  We are there for "fun" afterall, not a stressful time.
It just makes sense.  Still, I have heard my share of horror stories from gals, and I am sure you have had a few.  Thanks for sharing!  Interesting stuff.

Oh boy do I have a few, mostly about getting the crap kicked out of me or getting ripped off.

QUOTE:
Originally posted by wander at 12-3-2013 10:18..... Another question:  have you ever fallen for a punter?  I mean really fallen hard for one?  This is a topic that comes up often
enough in reverse (where a punter has fallen head-over-heels for a WG.  Happened to me once: a many year affair that was lovely, complicated, painful, wonderous, etc. Etc..



QUOTE:
Originally posted by anon_bear at 13-3-2013 10:29..... Also, to reiterate wander's question, have you ever fallen for/dated a client?

Well I've never fallen for a male client there are a few that I really like that I give major discount or see as fuck friends,but never romantically.I'm very suspicious if a client tries the milk and honey
approach normally just a talker looking for a way to get it cheap.I have had a few that have genuinely fallen for me and I've told them you don't want me I'm a prostitute bla bla find a nice girl.I
have known some WGs that have taken advantage of this and really milked the poor sap dry not nice at all.

QUOTE:
Originally posted by anon_bear at 13-3-2013 10:29...... Last, do you have a BF/GF/SO?

I do have a GF of sorts was a previous client.

QUOTE:
Originally posted by anon_bear at 13-3-2013 10:29...... Ok, MissP, so its plain to see you like girls too. You also mentioned you had a close circle of WG friends too. So my question
is do you and the other girls ever play? Do you ever offer free services to them? Do they ever accept? I know it must be frustrating sometimes to have a punter go in and finish right when
you are starting to feel good. If that happens 10 times a day I imagine it can become really irritating!

I don't play with the other mainland born Walk up girls as they just don't dig girls and they don't shave ICKY.I have played with a few local WGs. A girl really doesn't get frustrated the same as a
boy I can let it build till I get a good punter or let my GF work it out at home. If its really bad I have my trusty vibe.

QUOTE:
,Originally posted by anon_bear at 13-3-2013 10:29.... Second question, how often do you get girls responding to your CL ad for free services? If I could send my SO to you I would.
She's a super cute little local girl, but unfortunately she doesn't seem into girls much. .

Yes I do get a few some try and don't like some like and become clients/friends. What is an SO ? if its not in her to like girls don't push it . men often make the mistake of pushing their
own fantasies on to the girl. in the end she freaks and goes away. I've had some guys push their GF/wife into a threesome with me. when I get to the hotel/apartment I can see the girls
really scared. I just say sorry and go . no point if she's scared

QUOTE:
Originally posted by wander at 13-3-2013 12:07...has the job jaded you against men possibly?  (that might be understandable too aswell).

nope not jaded just happy in the situation I find my self in with my GF , not saying It cant happen just so far no


I think this has answered all the points let me know if I've missed anything

[ Last edited by  misspumpkin at 13-3-2013 12:32 ]

Recent Ratings
halfclover   23-5-2013 14:01  Acceptance  +4   You are a good and decent person Miss P
Petay_1283   14-3-2013 09:58  Acceptance  +8   Good Intel.
doghead   13-3-2013 15:04  Acceptance  +6   Wow, I guess none of us qualified as God's Gift to women in seducing u.
wander   13-3-2013 14:02  Acceptance  +8   Honest. Great intel. thx for that.
hunter   13-3-2013 12:52  Acceptance  +30   thx
anon_bear   13-3-2013 12:35  Acceptance  +2   great! thanks for the detailed response! SO=significant other... aka girlfriend(in my case)
Top
anon_bear
Lustful Lord
Rank: 4


UID 92361
Digest Posts 0
Credits 614
Posts 128
Karma 604
Acceptance 204
Reading Access 40
Registered 5-7-2012
Location US/HK
Status Offline
Post at 13-3-2013 12:41  Profile P.M. 
Font size: S M L
Reply #33 misspumpkin's post

Ok, so I've figured out a way for you to write a legit report and get yourself some Ks... Write a review on a WG you have played with! Then you can provide her contact info, photo, everything else you're supposed to do in a report. Not to mention I'm sure it would boost her business A LOT. Lots of guys would go to see her just because she's into girls as well!

Follow up question to your answers in post #33...
Have you ever had a girl do your walkup? Have you ever done a walkup/paid another WG yourself?

Recent Ratings
misspumpkin   14-3-2013 11:52  Acceptance  +1   please see below for your answers :kiss:
Top
hunter (Real Slim Slapper-Status: 九叔 .)
Fucking Legend
Rank: 10Rank: 10Rank: 10


UID 2748
Digest Posts 0
Credits 16230
Posts 12435
Karma 16060
Acceptance 3408
Reading Access 100
Registered 5-8-2007
Location Pussy Paradise, Earth
Status Offline
Post at 13-3-2013 12:59  Profile P.M. 
Font size: S M L
Reply #34 anon_bear's post

Well probably, she can share her respective experience with various nationality / punters  in walk up reporting section.

We like to hear kinky , erotic, funny, best, worse and extraordinary session that Ms. P experience before.
Not directly reviewing any particular customer, but in general overview of what she encounter, her feeling and perception towards the session.
she seems to have so much interesting stuff we would like to hear in report section.

[ Last edited by  hunter at 13-3-2013 13:26 ]

Recent Ratings
misspumpkin   14-3-2013 12:22  Acceptance  +1   I have a question please see below




Retired from pussy arena….Uncle 9

Top
jake.houston
Master Mongerer
Rank: 8Rank: 8


UID 93098
Digest Posts 0
Credits 6884
Posts 610
Karma 6748
Acceptance 2715
Reading Access 80
Registered 21-7-2012
Location USA
Status Offline
Post at 13-3-2013 13:18  Profile P.M. 
Font size: S M L
I still intend to drop in on Miss P when I get to town at the end of the month. I am happy to let her review our session.  Body photos only please.

I ain't scared.

Recent Ratings
doghead   13-3-2013 15:05  Acceptance  +1   If it was a dick pic, would ur exs/SO recognize ur dick?
Top
wander
Godfather of Hole
Rank: 9Rank: 9Rank: 9


UID 40669
Digest Posts 0
Credits 7597
Posts 2953
Karma 7412
Acceptance 3692
Reading Access 90
Registered 2-3-2010
Status Offline
Post at 13-3-2013 13:48  Profile P.M. 
Font size: S M L
cheers baby!

All i can say is "cheers" to my gal.   She tells it straight, right?  I can"t doubt a word she said.   I just want to say that I am proud of her for fighting thru this shit to say her piece!   

Stick around, MissP!!!  We need ya!

But....... never fallen for a punter?    ever?   Really?

[ Last edited by  wander at 13-3-2013 14:15 ]

Recent Ratings
misspumpkin   14-3-2013 12:49  Acceptance  +1   I think I've answered your question see below
ramont   13-3-2013 22:34  Acceptance  +1   Just because you are always sinking, doesn't mean...
doghead   13-3-2013 15:01  Acceptance  +1   U sound like u are up for a challenge. lol
twiceAweek   13-3-2013 14:59  Acceptance  +1   LOL ... you fall all over the place almost everywhere ... LOL
Top
DArtagnan (unofficial Mayor of the Forum)
Master Mongerer
Rank: 8Rank: 8


UID 12884
Digest Posts 0
Credits 5034
Posts 4392
Karma 4928
Acceptance 2111
Reading Access 80
Registered 10-7-2008
Location Pitcairn
Status Offline
Post at 13-3-2013 18:43  Profile P.M. 
Font size: S M L
Reply #33 misspumpkin's post

Some sweet observations missP

Another question for you!  

You mentioned you particularly like what some guys do for you ... can you write a GENERALISED report, in the forum report format, describing one of those the-earth-moved encounters you've had?  No need for identifiable details of the guy, more about what happened and how it made you feel?  

... would be interesting to see how the boys respond

Recent Ratings
doghead   14-3-2013 00:27  Acceptance  +1   I was thinking about asking her how can we improve our game/skills...
twiceAweek   13-3-2013 19:03  Acceptance  +1   you're looking for pointers eh ? lol




Hear Ye!  The Mayor has spoken!
Top
jake.houston
Master Mongerer
Rank: 8Rank: 8


UID 93098
Digest Posts 0
Credits 6884
Posts 610
Karma 6748
Acceptance 2715
Reading Access 80
Registered 21-7-2012
Location USA
Status Offline
Post at 14-3-2013 02:08  Profile P.M. 
Font size: S M L
Reply #36 jake.houston's post

There is little to no chance my SO would be able to identify my equipment in a photo.  It has been too long since she has seen it, thus my membership on a punter board.

Recent Ratings
plonkey   22-1-2015 11:57  Acceptance  +3   
Top
scootermonger
Erotic Emperor
Rank: 6Rank: 6


UID 46801
Digest Posts 0
Credits 2855
Posts 1260
Karma 2814
Acceptance 823
Reading Access 60
Registered 19-6-2010
Status Offline
Post at 14-3-2013 02:12  Profile P.M. 
Font size: S M L
I'm just gonna throw this one out there....Miss P, how do you deal with STD's and do you get tested often.  Do the girls you work with get tested or do they just live in denial and never get tested at all?  I mean, surely with all the bbbj's there must be some nasties spread around.  Do you know any girls who caught the big one... hiv?  Not asking you to out anyone here, but just curious.  Unfortunately, this is also part of the game that we play.  STD's are always a bit of a controversial topic on this forum.  I myself have become hyper paranoid of STD's in the past years and now strictly practice just CBJ and on very very rare occasions I will actually do penetration with a wg... lame right?

[ Last edited by  scootermonger at 14-3-2013 02:15 ]

Recent Ratings
misspumpkin   15-3-2013 15:31  Acceptance  +1   please see below I have answered your question I hope
Top
 


All times are GMT+8, the time now is 11-11-2024 05:27

Powered by Discuz! 5.0.0 © 2001-2006 Comsenz Inc.
Processed in 0.028843 second(s), 9 queries , Gzip enabled

Clear Cookies - Contact Us - 141Love
Disclaimer: This forum is operated as a real-time bulletin board system. 141CLUB.COM carries no legal liability on its contents. All messages are solely composed and up-loaded by readers and their opinions do not represent our stand. Readers are reminded that the contents on this forum may not convey reliable information thus it is readers' own responsibility to judge the validity, completeness and truthfulness of the messages. For messages related to medical, legal or investment issues, readers should always seek advice from professionals. Due to the limitation of the forum's real-time up-loading nature, 141CLUB.com is not able to monitor all the messages posted. Should readers find any problems regarding the messages, do contact us. 141CLUB.COM reserves the rights to delete or preserve any messages and reject anyone from joining this forum. 141CLUB.COM reserves all the legal rights.