China’s gambling capital battles to shed bad boy image, via the Telegraph

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When the mainstream press, like the Telegraph, openly discusses Macau's sex industry, money laundering, sex trafficking, and criminality--it's a sign of the times. Things are changing and Macau as everyone currently knows it is about to change, forever. Macau will go on to turn into a theme-park riddled, family-oriented, sterilized form of itself. Pretty fucking boring place. In the end, it's going appear similar to current day Las Vegas in 2014, not Las Vegas of the 1970's (with the prostitution and such). And don't think it can't happen. Remember what has occurred recently in China with the crackdowns on prostitution, and realize that Macau is a vessel of China, it's not truly autonomous or independent. China calls the shots. What killed the unbridled fun of Las Vegas in the old days were the major corporate conglomerates moving in and Nevada wanting to clean up its image in the 1980's, the commercialization is what killed Las Vegas. When Justin Bieber comes to Macau to play a venue, well... History rhymes, as the saying goes...

Savor and enjoy it all now, because in 5-10 years time, it will all be gone, or mostly gone--starting with the Lisbola Racetrack.

What does it means? Is macau sex will illegal like china?

This kind of thing happened in Las Vegas too. About 15 years ago, Vegas decided to go all "family", cutting out a lot of the risqué shows at casinos, and so on. The idea was to pull funds from a bigger, more mainstream, family oriented demographic.

Although Vegas really did clean up its own act, there's no doubt that the sex industry continued without missing a beat, but it was not as visible in the mainstream casinos.

About 10 years later, the powers-that-be decided that Vegas needed to become more risqué again, and they made the necessary changes. Even Cirque du Soleil, which had become the #1, #2, and #3 top-grossing stage shows in Vegas, created a new show show that was topless. They also created or resurrected the slogan "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas". And, other than the return of some burlesque to the Vegas strip, I'm not sure that the sex industry in Vegas changed this time either.

It would not surprise me in the least to see the Lisboa Racetrack shut down by the hotel, and to see the saunas that are co-located with respectable hotels (18, Rio) have their leases terminated and therefore move elsewhere.

But I don't see the sex industry going away in Macau, or Vegas. It's too much of a basic drive, so demand will always be great.

But with Macau's gambling revenues being 7 times greater than Las Vegas' revenues, if gambling goes "legit", we will see differences. But not "the end of the world". At least, that's my view.

Gherk

if you're going to talk about the recent crack down in China along with what you think on the future of Macau, then you better think about what the central government needs to do if it had a billon horny men without a way to find some alternative release

Really?  

Umm, you ever been in Vegas? Hookers and ads-for-hookers fuckin everywhere. Still.  And likely always.

I continue to wonder what world you live in.  It isn't the same as ours.

I also still wonder if you have ever fucked a girl. Or a WG.  ???  No reports.

If this was really such a concern then prostitution in China wouldn't be illegal. At the very least, authorities would adopt a similar system to Hong Kong's where prostitution's legal but 'safe' and 'controlled' (1 woman, 1 room, 1 man). It hasn't done this. Instead, the govt conducts massive raids, the effect of which, effectively ends the entire sex industry of a whole region overnight. Perhaps this effect is temporary and perhaps the industry will recover fully over time and maybe even grow to be something larger, but the likely result is that it will never recover to the level it was, if at all. I've never heard of a sex industry anywhere in the world, at any time in history, recovering and growing after serious raids.

Once the 'secrets out' ... once the mainstream press catches on and begins its campaign... it's usually the beginning of the end. We saw how in China recently, how powerful a single newscast was. So, how long before the undercover videos into Macau's Sauna's and the Lisbola Racetrack and all the rest are put on some expose on a national broadcast somewhere explaining the "seedy evil sex slavery industry of Macau".

I'm actually surprised Hong Kong has been able to keep legalized prostitution laws as long as it has. In the long run--I think they're in danger.

Even if you disagree with all of that, almost every veteran here already laments the "old days" of Macau... how much 'better it used to be.' So, it's been on a downward slope for a long time, it just happens so slowly people don't notice. But the trend is clear, and all indications suggest it will accelerate. And While it's true 'hookers' exist in Las Vegas, the situation is not at all comparable to current day Macau and believe me, if Macau's sex industry suddenly transformed into what Las Vegas is today then everyone would be frustrated and miserable. So, hope that doesn't happen.


P.S. By the way, "the solution" to China's billion horny men problem seems to be the importation of brides from surrounding 3rd world countries. There's actually a cottage industry in Hong Kong locating these "brides" and arranging these marriages for mainland men (and Hong Kong men too). Anyway, that's a whole other tangent.

The amount of pure garbage that comes out of your mouth truly astounds me ... but it's good that every time you make a statement on something you tell us a bit more of yourself ...  Last year you told us of how you believe WGs living near methadone clinics must be drug users and your distaste of these WGs, now you go on about Macau, its past and your belief in its future ...

Shall we have a debate on what you have said so far in this thread ?

Let's do one thing at a time, starting off with your assumption that old Macau mongers yearns for the old days - please tell us what exactly are they yearning for ?

Not sure if that's quite correct?!  Surely a horny man wants WGs, not a ball and chain...

In the city of Las Vegas prostitution is illegal.  Outside of Vegas, and other parts of Nevada, prostitution is LEGAL.  It like a business.

Have you heard of the famous Mustang Ranch ???  

I don't believe they are going to out law prostitution in Macau. There is too much at stake.  While in Vegas, was going down hill was the reason they went more family oriented in the 80's.  I think Macau want to diversified in case something bad happens but not now. It is currently making SEVEN times more than the Las Vegas Strip.


What about brown rice ???

[ Last edited by  Weelock at 10-3-2014 21:24 ]

Firstly, you drew the incorrect inference from my post of one year ago regarding the 141 walk-up in Tsuen Wan that sits directly across the street from a methadone clinic, with an army of some of dirtiest intravenous drug abusers one has ever seen, all hanging out front. It wasn't that the working girls working near the clinic were themselves somehow drug users, but rather, that a disproportionate amount of their clients probably (obviously) are intravenous drug users, therefore the girls are inherently more risky by the nature of their risky clientele, than other 141 locations, so, if you care about minimizing risk where you can (and you obviously don't care, that's fine), then warning to the wise.

Is english not your first language twiceaweek? That is a legitimate question because you have a pattern of making outlandish claims that are obviously untrue if not for a little careful reading.


As to your single question: I don't know what the old Macau punting veterans yearn for in the 'Old Macau', only that they do yearn for the 'Old Macau.' I'll direct you only to the scattered anecdotal comments on this forum expressing that very sentiment. In fact, one such veteran replied in this post, matsumoto, why don't you ask him?

Thank you for being so diligent on what I've said in the past, you are wrong to infer that WGs working near these centers would automatically be more at risk because these drug users would go to these girls ... in fact if you spent some time with these WGs you'll find they always turn these people away and would call for help when these people loiter outside their door.

Confirm English is not my first language but don't assume what I've said in the past has anything to do with making "outlandish claims"  ... I say what I say deliberately, for good reasons and when I have made a mistake or read something wrong I always make my apologies

Now, back to the first question I asked you ... am I correct to say that you have not experienced the "old" Macau and you've based your remark on reading what others have said ?

for my second question ... do you believe everything you read either in the press or internet ?

There are many people in the USA/UK that barely passed high school. Many barely can read and write. Can you believe English is their frist language.  
It looks like you are assuming that if a person writes poorly, English is not his first language. Furthermore, there are many people here with different
levels of education, writing styles and are from different parts of the world.


My College professor said you should write at a level so that your audience can understand. On this forum it should be like laymen term.  Anyway in my opionion, I have NO problem understanding Twiceaweek's writing. He gets his points across is what is important.

MONGERLOOID,  sorry it's not a legitmate question. I get the feeling you just what to find out his ethnicity.  BTW, writing is not my strong suit.




Ethnicity definition from google : ethnic traits, background, allegiance, or association

[ Last edited by  Weelock at 11-3-2014 17:26 ]

No.

Do you believe everything a working girl tells you?


Fairly transparent attempt at pulling a race card here. Nice try. Agree that many natural born english speakers, speak and write terribly. Many can be considered illiterate, while in comparison, yes there are many non-natural born english speakers who use English as their second language and who speak and read at much higher levels than many natural speakers. Glad to know you're so concerned weelock.

That said; and taking into consideration this is a multicultural board with many diverse nationalities, all using english as a common language, the question (my question to twiceaweek) is legitimate because, if english is not someones first language then I'm not going to jump down their throat unnecessarily for not reading closely enough, or for incorrectly comprehending the nuances and therefore making the incorrect inferences and drawing the wrong conclusion. Instead, I'll be patient and understanding as long as they are willing to debate in good faith (no personal attacks or mischaracterizations). It's nothing personal (until it is personal).

Anyway, don't shoot the messenger. If you think Macau has nothing to worry about, tell us why.

[ Last edited by  MONGERLOID at 11-3-2014 18:30 ]

It is currently making SEVEN times more than the Las Vegas Strip according to the website or  £27.65billion.  It is predicted  that could rise to £65.8billion by 2020, which would be roughly equivalent to the entire annual GDP of oil-rich Angola, or nearly half that of Israel.

I recall reading there are more millionaires in China than the USA now but there are also more people.

Unfortunately, the problem I see is that the 'messenger' is telling us information based on his own assumptions

See, this is a good example of your posts lacking any evidence and being based on false assumptions.  In fact, you claim this is obvious.  The simple truth, from someone who has lots of experience dealing with drug users, is that drug users are much more interested in spending their money on drugs than spending it on sex.  If they want sex they just have free sex with other drug users.

But your infequesnt posts always liven up the forum, so thanks!

Just a quick observation.  I was involved, in a very small way, of the attempted conversion of LV to a "family' resort area.  It was a dismal failure!  Hence, the "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas", promotions!!  You don't usually bring your children to Vegas when you and your significant other want to gamble and play!!  mrclen

Yeah, I remember that attempted "family-friendly" period in Vegas -- disastrous.

To Mongoloid:  How's your thesis on WGs coming along (er, sorry, I believe you prefer the term "Meatholes")?

And yes, we are all very impressed with your syntax and use of compound sentences.  And yet, in spite of your mastery of written communication, you never seem to convince anyone.  

Odd right?  Perhaps you've missed that persuasive communication begins with the credibility of the communicator.  Clearly you still haven't earned much credibility here.  Not a single report.  After all this time.

I, for one, question whether you actually screw WGs or not.  Or whether you are doing a thesis and using this forum for research (which is okay by me, incidentally, I think the topic is inherently interesting and worth researching, but best to be honest about it).

Methadone clinic = you're not doing drugs. It doesn't take extensive interaction with drug users to understand that, if you're at a methadone clinic you're no doubt at or near rock bottom and trying to KICK drugs. You feel like shit during this period. What better way to lift your spirits than a sexual 'high' right across the street? It's human nature and basic.

Absolutely naive and dangerous to assume these dregs aren't doing this. But, to each his own, I guess. That's all I have to say on the matter.

[ Last edited by  MONGERLOID at 12-3-2014 15:07 ]

Now, now... We all know that's not true.