Many women I met told me that clitoris orgasms are great, but vaginal ones are even more powerful.

There is a great deal of disagreement about the difference between clitoral and vaginal orgasms. Many sex researchers (and all feminists) deny that there IS any difference between the two. The clitoris is a large organ that extends far into the vagina - what people usually think of as the clitoris is just the female glans under its hood. So even during sexual intercourse the internal parts of the clitoris are being directly stimulated. Though the external tip is the most sensitive, which is why during DATY you mustn't be too rough.

In any case, I've had women tell me just the opposite - that DATY provides much more powerful orgasms. And the nice thing about DATY is that it doesn't have to be the end of the game. Women can have many orgasms and the more she has the more powerful they are. Starting off with DATY is a great way to make sure the girl has a great experience. But then I just love the whole nasty thing.

Interesting thread!

1) Equating going down on a woman with licking the toilet seat.... well actually its all in the mind you know... a cleaned toilet seat is probably much cleaner than that $100 bill you are handing over to the lady at the end of a session. And how many of us wear latex gloves or wash our hands after handling the money from our wallets? Besides - I always make sure both of our privates are washed well before a session - dont you? And lets face it guys - if we worry about who preceded us, whether in DATY or DFK, not to forget the BJ's - I dont think we belong in this forum except perhaps to be only voyeurs and masturbating to all the reports?!? Take away all possibilty of flesh to flesh contact.... and what have you got?

2) Of all the years I have been in this hobby, I have only encountered a smelly pussy once... and that of course was with a lady whom I didn't personally observe washing before we got started. And that musky smell we sometimes encounter, I would posit that it is not centered around the pussy area, its more like an overall body smell.... something I have encountered only when I have been with certain non-Asians... no offense bros. - I think it is more related to the diet than anything else.

3) Yes its true, I have heard from many ladies that they almost never get any reciprocation from their Chinese clients (ie DFK, DATY, etc) and find my attention very compelling. So take this as a hint guys, do your part for the lady, and she will be on her knees eating from your hands! Now that is what I call a GFE experience. A side note - I have encountered many more instances of refusals to DFK than DATY - that apparently is to preserve what little illusion the lady has of preserving that one personal part of lovemaking for her 'true bf'.

4) Vaginal vs clitoral orgasms - I think there is a difference. Physically when a lady feels the parts of her inside her vagina being stroked (like the uterine wall, cervix, and of course the G-spot ) that additional stimulation makes a vaginal orgasm that much more different and powerful. (I know - because this was described to me in detail once by a GF while we were actually having intercourse ... she also described to me why she loved anal sex - and how it felt even more different...but that's another topic I guess...). Contrast that to DATY - much as we love it - the stimulation is all centered around the clitoris, and for someone who hasnt experienced a vaginal orgasm - it may be all they know about what an orgasm is. And just as with the experience of squirting - yet another topic... something that is probably unknown to perhaps 99% of the asian ladies.....and probably a majority of us men too; these expereinces are hard to come by in a p4p situation because of the time and mindset factor. She is certainly more interested in making sure you get off in time, in her own satisfaction.

Welcome back Gylus.......I now knight you as the Prof. SEX of 141........

You can bring a woman to orgasm by stimulating different parts of her sexual apparatus, but an orgasm is an orgasm - i.e., it involves the same physiological response. In the same way that a guy can be brought to orgasm by stimulating either the shaft or the head of his Johnson -  the orgasm is still the same. So to use two different terms to describe an orgasm is a bit misleading; the orgasm may feel different, more or less intense, but it's not a different response.

This whole distinction between clitoral and vaginal orgasms started with Freud, who considered the vaginal orgasm healthy, and the so-called clitoral orgasm infantile. Actually he was just giving voice to 19th century hangups and male fears of the more powerful ability of women to experience sexual pleasure.

And I have heard both opinions from women: some prefer to be brought to orgasm with clitoral stimulation via DATY, while others like to be screwed. A Taiwanese girl I knew, loved to be screwed while I stroked her clitoris. Both the vagina and the external clitoral glans are quite capable of getting a girl off.

Sorry to disagree on this, but as someone who has had a lot of experience in both worlds, Western women have a musky odor that is totally absent in their Asian sisters, and it has nothing to do with diet. I first noticed the difference with Asian-American girls in the States, who should have smelled no different from the white chics seeing that they both shared the same diet. Cliche tho it may be, different races have different body odors.

But as far as your other points are concerned, you and I agree on a lot of things gylus bro!

The guys choice of the toilet seat metaphor is something that would never have occurred to anyone unless they already had issues with pussy. NotMarsupial was spot on when he pointed out Chinese distrust of naked pussy. Actually their are more germs in a mouth than in a girls pussy. It is very uncommon to get a STD from DATY.

For women DFK is much more intimate than DATY. A few Hotel Res girls have denied me DFK, but none have denied DATY - bless their little souls! And yes, you want a GFE, work for it.

But I do DATY not only because the girls love it, I love it. And there is no need to choose between clitoral and vaginal orgasms; start with DATY and build on that. Even if you don't bring the girl to orgasm, it's a great way to get her half-way there. And for girls who do climax on the tip of your tongue; give them another the old-fashioned way. I've given a lot of girls multiple orgasms this way - girls who didn't realize they could climax several times.

I wish there is a manual on how to DATY.

I am doing it all wrong.  None of my ex gfs get climax from my tongue.  I am so sad.

Teach me!

Go gently, very gently, around the clitoris, seldom directly on it. Make strokes inside her vagina with your tongue and/or finger(s). For variety and for building up excitement, you can very gently suck her lips, lick her inner tights, etc. Looking at her in the eyes, caressing her breats, etc. will not hurt either ;)

I would say #1 thing is not to be technical about it, just put her in the mood and listen to her responses.

We both share the same view on DATY, but I have to disagree about vaginal orgasms being the same. The most compelling argument for that is that the level of interaction is just not the same. Women approach making love on a very emotional level, so when you hold them, look at them, take their hands, etc., their physical response will be much higher. Also, as gylus pointed out, once inside her, she can feel you that much more, with the G-spot playing no small part in that. Most (all?) women will enjoy the feeling of being filled up, especially if you can reach their "end", which is something you cannot do with DATY (unless you have a very very long tongue ).

While this is not a real argument merely a personal experience, the way my gf (and most of other girls before her) get off during DATY and intercourse are not on the same level. Yes, they get an orgasm during DATY, but nothing compared to the vaginal one (actually, it's many vaginal ones, a big one, and many smaller ones).

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Of course, all women prefer the increased intimacy of sexual intercourse, as do I; and you are right that for women the sharing of pleasure is more important than for men.  For this reason, many women initially think that DATY is too selfish - when they learn it's just the appetizer, they open up to it. But I never just DATY them and walk away - what about ME!  I'm a very oral guy, and sex without DFK is just not complete, and I STILL haven't figured out how to do both at the same time. So DATY is merely a step on the way to a complete sexual experience for a woman.

But as far as there being two distinct physiological types of orgasm - sorry doesn't happen. The orgasm may feel different, but the bodily process is the same, the organs that orgasm are identical. Vaginal rather than clitoral stimulation might lead to more intense, satisfying orgasms for some women, but it's the same animal. There are two types of breathing - chest breathing, and diaphragmatic or abdominal breathing - but it's still the lungs that are doing the work.

And let's not forget sexpert's story - many women cannot orgasm through vaginal stimulation alone. This is VERY common in the West. DATY is superior to vaginal sex in one important respect: there is much less clitoral stimulation during straight sex - tho this varies with position - and many women need direct, skillful DATY to get aroused enough to reach orgasm.

Also, great DATY doesn't just involve the tongue, digital stimulation of the inside of the vagina along with the tongue work is even more intensely pleasurable for a girl, and here the distinction between the supposed two types of orgasm no longer holds. Also, ever notice how during sex, some girls will reach down and massage their own clitoris to provide the increased stimulation to reach orgasm?

Regarding smell, I find WGs start off odourless after a good shower, but if they become horny and are after an orgasm, the musky smell is emitted. Any bros notice this?

BTW: What's cunnilingus?

Ya, for sure DATY is a much appreciated appetizer and never meant to say the contrary. Also, stimulation of the clitoris while doing intercourse, whether by yourself or by the girl, makes for one big O and this the usual answer : why limit yourself to only one when you can have both, even at the same time. Sometimes, I am jealous of women :p I still have to master the multiple male orgasms, if such a thing does exist. Apart from holding on and enjoying the feeling of almost coming, I never actually had multiple orgasms.

As for western girls, I don't know why it is like that. It is not my personal experience (never happened with my western gfs), but I have heard this statement very often. Would you think it is because asian women in general are more tight so it is more easy to stimulate them during intercourse, especially for westerners ? Or men simply don't know how to stimulate the woman properly (using different positions, angles, speed, etc.) ? Or that for some (many?) women, it is hard to reach their G-spot during intercourse ? I guess the answer lies somewhere in between all of these possibilities ...

cunnilingus = DATY. You should know that given your nickname ?!

From the always useful Wikipedia:

Cunnilingus is sometimes referred to as "gelling the hair", "drinking from the red river", "drinking from the furry cup", "dining at the Y (DATY)", "licking out", "picking the daisies", "licking the peach", "going down" or "eating out", "smack clam", "munch rug", "dining at the pink taco stand", "muff-diving" and "carpet-munching", "feasting", "harvesting the salmon" and "eating the flower". In lesbian culture several common slang terms used are "giving lip," "lip service," or "tipping the velvet" (an expression that novelist Sarah Waters claims to have "plucked from the relative obscurity of Victorian porn"[10]). Older erotic literature refers to it as '"gamahuching", with some variation in the spelling.

Btw, I am not in HK at the moment, so I am not actually posting during new year eve :p

I really don't know why Western women have more trouble orgasming than Oriental women. But I suspect the Baby Jesus has something to do with it - that and some as yet unidentified physiological difference? - tho this is mere speculation on my part. But I have had 3 Western girlfriends who never orgasmed with a man - me or any other man. And I have never had an Oriental lover who didn't easily orgasm. It's an interesting topic, and I would love to know the answer.

Forget your multiple orgasms, just try to put off the first as long as possible - that's all there is for us. This is one instance where women are vastly superior to men.

I was just joking there bro...   Thanks for the briliant list of alternative names anyway!

You can see how kind the brothers are here, right?

Ah right, baby Jesus, forgot about that one... This is one thing where Quebec women are vastly superior to other american women Baby Jesus went down the toilet during the 60s and thank god, never really came back.

Out of curiosity, I never made love with an Indian woman, but their culture is also very sexually repressive, so anyone could tell us if they easily orgasm or not ?

My experiences are limited to local Indian girls ... (and I don't mean the women outside Chung King Mansion)
OMG definately yes, if the right chemistry's there, they're highly sexually charged ... much more then local girls !

The Karma Sutra, need I say more?

Thanks for the info Hmm, I don't know if an HK indian girl is like an american chinese girl vs local chinese ... ie they are similar yet quite different on so many levels.

While I agree that you have a point with the Kama Sutra, that was a long time ago ... Think about the Greeks or Roman in the antiquity and now ... No comparison :p

Anyway, still good to know about the local indians