At least your upfront with your stereotyping!  No need to hide it (like some people), I concur! LOL...

Sorry to rain on your high-fiving parade big guy, but 2/wk is, in fact, Chinese. After his comment, I PM'd him because I was sure I remembered him saying in another post that he was Chinese. His answer: "Just joking with you my friend, I am Chinese through and through"

Just to spell it out so that even a guy from NYC can understand; my judgment of 2/wk's ethnicity was based on what he himself had said, not on stereotyping.

And you say: "Disagree with me and you are automatically some backwards Communist Chink."

Where the hell does that come from?! I've never accused anyone of any such thing. I have my faults, but racism isn't one of them. I challenge you to find one statement, anywhere in these forums, where I have expressed contempt for the Chinese. That statement reveals your own prejudices, not mine; and why do you feel such contempt for the Mainland Chinese? Don't you have family on the Mainland?

And does anyone agree with you sexpert? Doesn't that say something to you? How many guys have to jump on your case before you finally realize you're a nutter.

Man you're so anxious to score points that you don't stop to think about things. Come on sexpert, you're going to have to take things to a whole different level for this to even begin to be interesting.

[ Last edited by  Marsupial at 23-2-2008 01:45 ]

Sorry to break it down to you but the concept of asshole is universal ...

This is indeed good. In a post in which you accuse me of stereotyping - wrongly it turns out, you then go on to claim that the typical New Englander is a racist. You don't see the irony in that?

And is this the same 'A whore is a Whore is a Whore' sexpert? Certainly no stereotyping there!

[ Last edited by  Marsupial at 17-2-2008 13:16 ]

I admit that I do stereotype and I do admit that I am bias.  So?  Don't need to play around with words there like others.

My hunour is about as dry as an arkanom !

Doing jokes here is easy, with the help of cut and paste -
there's no need to understand it !

What the devil is an arkanom? Did a Google search and all that came up were pages in some Slavic language!

but why bother to care about any other woman than your wife? One woman's emotions not enough for you? I personally dont have a problem with Sexpert's words. I mean, yes, it sounded callous, but at the end of the day, are you actually looking for more than sex? Because if you are, and you have a wife, that's just really looking for trouble.

You know, there is a quality called "empathy"... Or you may think about it this way: treat other people as you would like to be treated.

Getting back to the subject of rape - ever wondered why it's so devastating for a girl or woman to be raped? It can't be for the physical
pain involved - it's an emotional devastation rather than a physical one. We're men so we can't possibly understand what the woman feels.
But we can try to imagine it happening to us. Suppose a guy, or a bunch of guys tries to rape us. Wouldn't we fight tooth-and-nail to try
to stop it. And yet the pain we suffer from the beating might be far worse that the pain of the rape. So why resist if resistance is futile?
And yet resist most of us would. But why? I can only speak for myself but it would be like the rapist is taking something from me - something
so precious that I would risk death to defend it. But what is it that he's taking? Is it my sense of manhood? Is it my dignity or my self-esteem.
Is it everything that makes me what I am? Would I ever be able to look those I love in the eye again if I allowed such a thing to happen to
me? Would I feel less than a man? I really don't know and I'm grateful that I've never had to find out.

So is it something similar for a woman? Does the rapist take something from her - something so precious that she'll fight and be beaten trying
to defend it? But what does the rapist take? Is it her womanhood, her dignity, her self-esteem? Who knows?

And yet, contrast the rape victim with the WG. The rape victim fights to stop the man from using her body for sex and, when she fails, she's
emotionally devastated. And yet, the very same thing that the rape victim fights to defend, the WG sells 10 times a day for a few hundred
dollars. And, afterwards, she goes out and enjoys herself with her friends, seemingly unaffected. And the next day she does it all again .......

I've had 3 WGs who actually cried while I fucked them and it wasn't from any physical discomfort. It was like they were so ashamed and so
humiliated by the experience that they just cried.

Another bro recently wrote that a girl selling her body for sex is no different to her selling her brains or muscles to do physical work. If I believed
that, which I don't - the same would surely be true for me. Selling my ass for some guy's pleasure would be the same as selling my brains or my
muscles to do physical work. Well it's not the same thing and my ass isn't for sale at any price.

So what is it about the personality or character of a WG that allows herself to do something that many other women [and men] could never,
ever do. What is it? Do they have something that other girls don't have? Or do they not have something that other girls do have? In what
way are they different?

Some people, like Marsupial, seem to think WGs have some heroic quality that enables them to do it to escape the poverty and miserable
life into which they were born. He actually seems to admire them. Or is it because girls who are capable of being WGs have already lost
something, or maybe they never had something -  some quality that other girls do have. A quality that prevents them from selling their
bodies. Who knows?

What a very strange argument this is!

Rape is rape because the girl is forced to have sex against her will. WGs do it willingly in exchange for payment, hence there is no comparison between the two. Its a simple business transaction - no violation - end of story.

What about slavery? Would you try to draw similar conclusions from a comparison of a slave working in the fields to a hired farm worker? The slave is violated, so according to your reasoning, the farm worker must have some character defect because he willingly accepts money to do the work of the violated slave.

If those 3 girls actually cried, something that I have never experienced, perhaps you were patronizing girls who were forced into prostitution, in which case it was rape after all.  It's precisely to avoid that kind of situation that I won't patronize some of those shady places in Monkok.

And just how is reluctantly selling your ass to a homosexual, a comparison purposely chosen to elicit knee-jerk disgust from the straight guys who visit this site, the same as a working girl willingly selling her bod to a guy for sex?! A more apt comparison would be you fucking a girl for money; but you didn't use that because most of the guys here would have said, "All right, bring it on."

And I never would have used the word 'heroic' to describe a WG unless, of course, she was deliberately sacrificing herself to help out someone else - a situation that, I'm sure, must sometimes occur. No, I think strong-willed, resolute, and determined are better words.

Jake, your argument about the supposed character flaw in all WGs is a classic example of circular reasoning: you deduce character defects in a WG from the fact that she chose to do the work of a prostitute, and then you assume that only a girl with those same character defects would choose to do that kind of work in the first place; each statement based on nothing but the other statement, and the whole based on nothing but your pre-existing moral disdain for prostitutes.

In any case, you're tying yourself all in knots here to prove this hair-brained theory of the flawed WG. All sorts of women become WGs for all sorts of reasons. The only thing they have in common is the willingness to sell their bods for money. Beyond that you see what you want to see. And you really really want to see bad character because it's necessary to justify your moral world view and close the circle.

[ Last edited by  Marsupial at 18-2-2008 14:23 ]

You don't need to tell me what rape is - I already know. What I asked was why are girls so emotionally devasted by rape.
And please don't try to tell me that its only because she didn't consent to sex. There's obviously a lot more to it than that.
And don't tell me there's no comparison between rape and what a WG does - the physical act is identical, without any
emotional attachment and frequently with strangers. So there obviously is a comparison - I just want to know how much
of a comparison and why they have such different results. We agree on what appears to be the major physical difference -
one is consensual, one is not. But, as I say, the emotional devastation of rape victims must be due to more than that. And
it's not something physical - You just don't want to see what it is.

2 of the gals who cried were TST hotel gals; the other was a filipina bar girl.

I don't agree that ... all sorts of women become WGs for all sorts of reasons. Firstly I think most peole will agree that WGs
become WGs for money and no other reason - if not, please give me the other reasons. Secondly, how do you know it's
all sorts of women? If someone has done a study - please provide details. Otherwise it's just meaningless talk. It just
your preconceived idea of what you want to believe.

So your answer to the question of why some girls become prostitutes and others don't is because they're more strong-willed,
resolute, and determined. Well, that's interesting. You really want to see them in this way so that you can feel better about
yourself in using their services. And I think you've actually brainwashed youself into believing all this.

I admit I don't know all the answers, which is why I'm asking questions. But you've just buried your head in the sand and
refuse to look around at reality. Your simplistic view that WGs are just like any other girl is clearly wrong, but it's what you
want to believe. But the fact is that most girls can never do what WGs can do. And why is that?

Rape is not just sex without emotional attachment with a stranger. Rape is a violation, a forceful taking of what is not willingly offered, so the comparison of rape to the sex freely offered by a WG does not hold. Rape is robbery, sex with a WG is barter. You are straining to find a connection between two things that have nothing in common but the mechanics of the act You cannot understand behaviour without knowing the reason why something is done. That's why in HK rape is illegal and consenual sex with a prostitute isn't.

This is clearly not an open-minded attempt to examine rape to see if anything can be inferred about the personalities of WGs; on the contrary, you are trying to distort the meaning of rape in such a way as to vindicate a pre-existing, stubbornly held viewpoint; i.e., that WGs possess flawed characters.

"Firstly I think most people will agree that WGs become WGs for money and no other reason - if not, please give me the other reasons. "

I said just that in the last paragraph of my previous post. The 'all sorts of reasons' meant all sorts of reasons to want the better money offered by prostitution. Yes my words are ambiguous, but that's what I intended.

"So your answer to the question of why some girls become prostitutes and others don't is because they're more strong-willed, resolute, and determined."

I said that those words could be used to describe some WGs - I didn't say they become WGs because they possess those characteristics, but that girls with those traits would find it easier to take the step to become a WG.

"You really want to see them in this way so that you can feel better about yourself in using their services. And I think you've actually brainwashed youself into believing all this."

And you really want to think poorly of them. I see individuals who are also WGs, you see whores who are all of a type. I'm willing to admit that some WGs might be flawed individuals, to think otherwise would be illogical; but you have this monochrome view that all WGs are defective. I'd rather not fill my head with all that judgmental crap, thank you. Rather than speculate on what I want to believe, why don't you, just once, examine your own prejudices. Ask yourself why it is so important for you to lump all of these girls into the same category so that you can dismiss them out of hand. Perhaps you need to do this so that you can feel better about using their services. Ad why is that?

[ Last edited by  Marsupial at 19-2-2008 17:59 ]

Hummmm, if I may ... I can have a twisted mind like anyone, but I did not mention anything about homosexuality in the other thread. Just want to make that clear. Not that I have anything against it, but we have enough problems with WG already without adding homosexuality to the mix.

edit:

or did you really use "cherry-picked" as in "picked carefully" ? My nickname is bringing confusion :p

[ Last edited by  cherry_picker at 18-2-2008 08:56 ]

If you really know what rape is, then you know the answer to your question ... Would you be emotionally devastated if 10 guys raped your ass for the whole night ? I'm taking an extreme example to make it clearer, but 1 guy for 10 min is just the same. I would add that most rapes are done by someone who knew the victim (this is from actual statistics), so this brings a whole lot of sentiments on its own.

By cherry-picked I meant carefully chosen to produce a desired effect. To avoid confusion, I went back and edited the phrase.

  just my dry humour ... no such word, just seeing if Jake replies and testing
if anybody would actually look up the word !

When I'm in a relationship, I believe I should give my all otherwise (to me) it would not
be a relationship. I like fuking for the sake of fuking but I like relationships better.

I agree with you that a relationship with even a single woman can be difficult ... with mutiple women
will be much much more complicated. But I've managed to cope, previously had 3 GF at same time
now 2 .... have to admit I have more white hair now !

I think we all agree that either a man or a woman would be emotionally devastated by rape. But, so far, I'm the only one, in post #30, who has made any attempt
to answer the question WHY? It cannot be ONLY because it's non-consensual, as Marsupial seems to imply. I mean, a man could borrow my car, which I love btw,
without my consent but I wouldn't be emotionally devastated? In the case of rape, the rapist doesn't actually take anything and the girl might be physically unharmed
and unchanged in any way. So why is she emotionally devasted? Surely, by logic, it can only be something to do with the act of sex itself. But what's so special about
sex? Obviously to a WG, there's absolutely nothing special about the act of sex. It's something for sale for a few hundred dollars.

Mars says:


Well, that's no answer. Lots of things are a viollation or a robbery and they don't have the same effect as rape. Mars just doesn't want to acknowledge that the
special and unique thing about rape is that involves the act of sex. The very thing that WGs put such a low value on. Mars says rape is robbery. I suppose that
means ithat if you rape a WG, you've robbed her of $500, because that's what it would cost to buy the fuck. That's the value of what you've taken without
consent.

And, if you're going to slam me, at least answer the question of why women are emotionally devastated by rape.