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WGs falling for customers

We always read about our reviews of sex with WGs all over the world. Always read about the guy that is so fallen for the WG women's beauty that he pays cash just to have sex with her. This leads to so many men to fall for WGs. But that is just our end of the stick. What about the other end. Women are supposed to be more emotional than men. Being an escort is surely harder, emotionally, than seeing an escort, dont you agree? Recent threads like "Your First Time Mongering Stories", where bros see a WG for the first time and try to book her again because they seem hooked is so common. But what about the WG in all this? Do they wish to see another customer again? ...Has any WG fallen for, you?
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Post at 10-6-2011 13:29  Profile P.M. 
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of course

Yeah Bro, of course it happens.  Kinda "yes" to all your questions.  

Sure WGs like repeat clients, even if they are not attracted to them  - a "known entity", a safe trick, a no-bullshit session.  So much better than trying a new punter who may be rude, rough, not pay, dirty, etc.etc.  

And yeah, they are just GIRLS first.  They fall for guys just like we fall for them.  I tend to repeat a LOT - seeing some girls for over 3 years now..., so yes, it happens - I have a number who have fallen for me.  Plenty of tears.  I've reported on a few here (Read:  "Bittersweet memories of a Thai sweetheart", "Bangkok: On day 2..." Or "Confession: I am sunk.." (We both fell for each other).   These reports describe 3 different WGs and how things ended up between me and her.   

That said:  most who last any time at all in the business learn to compartmentalize.  They build a wall around their heart..., which, I think, kinda fucks them up for life.  After a while they don't know HOW to give themselves completely to someone else.

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It can be really difficult to separate the real from acting, in Thailand particularly they're quite good at pretending they love you, and it's a deliberate act a lot of the time. I've heard of a number of guys who have had the ladies get over the top emotional on their last day (even behaving suicidal), but is this the art of tyring to convert him to a sponsor, or something more genuine? Any time I feel a lady is showing too much of an interest I try to cool things off a bit, make sure they know I'm not looking for a girlfriend, that I still see other women etc.

Based on my personal experience, I would say it happens *a lot* to WGs. I try hard to keep things at an arms length (keep a bit of emotional distance), yet I've had it happen a few times. There are guys out there that sweet talk the girls into thinking they're the only one, but they're often being insincere (they just want a cheap/free root), and I hate to think how much damage they cause to the girls. I would use the term 'like a lot' rather than love though, at least in instances where you haven't known the girl for long. I had one lady ask me not to come back to her bar, as she gets hurt too much seeing me knowing that I continue to see other ladies (as when asked I openly admitted to seeing women from other bars, it wasn't that I was taking other ladies from her bar..). So in this case it's not an act, there is nothing to gain financially from such a request - I respected her wishes, and never saw or heard from her again. Which was a shame for sure, but I didn't want my selfish desire to see her on the side overrule her request. I think in all cases I've had WGs (convicingly) start to get serious on me, it's been with girls quite new on the scene, 1-3 months.

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Reply #2 wander's post

If everything gets too hot, you need a level-headed disinterested third party to help you analyse.  Yes, building a wall around their heart f*cks up the INNOCENT for life, but some humans are just born cold-hearted and get their ultimate pleasure in manipulating others.

The pity is what happens is the manipulating women hunt down the men they can control.  These men then get jaded and mess up the innocent women.  These innocent women then also become jaded etc. etc.  It's the circle of life
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I once started to develop feeling for a massage girl....  I became a regular client of hers...  one day, think she was not in a good mood or having her period or something, she admits to being a really good actor.

I lost interest in her after that, and thought what a sad life.
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If you monger a lot in the Philippines, you're bound to get a WG who gets attached to you.  Comparatively, you might be considered quite a catch compared to local Filipino men (in terms of income, job, education, sophistication, net worth, etc.).  Naturally, having a WG get attached to you in Hong Kong is a lot less likely.

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Originally posted by mustachio at 10-6-2011 01:50 PM
There are guys out there that sweet talk the girls into thinking they're the only one, but they're often being insincere (they just want a cheap/free root)

This happens in non-mongering environments too.  And girls do it to guys as well.  Lying between the sexes has been around before prostitution was invented.

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mustachio   11-6-2011 10:25  Acceptance  +1   I know, it's just a monger has no need to lie, is half the reason I pay for it
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by dogthom at 10-6-2011 16:31
I once started to develop feeling for a massage girl....  I became a regular client of hers...  one day, think she was not in a good mood or having her period or something, she admits to being a reall ...

It is their job afterall to make you feel appreciated, loved, and what not. Sometimes its just hard to distinguish if they're just performing their service or if they actually have feelings for you. Either way, it is probably not worth it to purse any serious relationship with a WG other than what you're there for, punting.

Some guys may have had bad experiences with a WG being cold, or rude or what not. But there could be many reasons for that such as the girl's having a bad day, she's tired or she simply does not want to serve you.
Given that you are acceptable for them to serve, they will probably provide decent service because they want repeat customers. That service, namely GFE is what some guys want, is most often than not just an act, that's what you're paying for.

I think they offer you anything without asking for anythin in return, that might be a sign they like you. If not, you're simply just a "VIP customer". but in the end, you still have to cough up the dough.
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I have remained in contact with this Viet WG I met in Macau.  We often ping each other via IM.  She sits around all day waiting for customers (it's not all action, there are plenty of slow, slow days for them) so she chats on her phone.  Plenty of I love you's, I miss you's etc fly back and forth.

She put it quite well when I called her on it.  Her life is 100% sex and 0% romance.  Sometimes it is nice to get a little dreamy.  It gives us both something to daydream about.

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wander   11-6-2011 14:57  Karma  +1   Great way to put it; 100% sex 0% romance. True true
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Reply #8 yazoo's post

you are absolutely right, I'm pretty sure most do get lonely and probably some even want a relationship.

do you still see this girl then?

Do you think getting a WGs number means that she likes you enough to want you as a repeat customer? I would like to think that way and that they don't just give their number to everyone.
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Reply #9 kibou's post

Hmmmm, they give out there numbers very easily.  If you have a session with her and all is good (you pay fairly, are nice, the sex is fine/normal) than of course she wants you as a regular.  She doesn't need to also have an actual attraction towards you.  Like any business repeat customers are gold.

I can't think of a single WG ever that said no when I asked for her number.  And I ALWAYS ask the ones I really dig.

Now, if she DOES have an actual attraction towards you it certainly becomes the best GFE ever!!  It becomes that "honeymoon" period when a relationship is brand new - awesome sex, everything is interesting and exciting, can't wait to get together again.  But it never lasts - at some point she'll either try for more (become a "real" girlfriend), ask for a big payout for her sick mother/buffalo/whatever, or just fade away as you get a little bored of her.

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I had one fall for me in Macau... Suddenly she realized she can't fall for a client, so I was abandoned.

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wander   11-6-2011 17:07  Acceptance  +1   I am sorry for your loss. Hehe
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At times I would like for a WG fall for me, such a nice feeling. It has happened twice, but I realized for us punters
who have a spouse or family overseas, knowing it is impossible for WG to continue a relationship; is quite unfair to the WG.

You would just be slow-rolling her. She might think that one day, you would come and bring her away from her somewhat poor life and she can have a normal life with you.

There are so many WG's that feel like this, especially those who have worked for the first couple of months. The more experienced ones know what the deal is.

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cherryhunter   11-6-2011 18:28  Acceptance  +1   Agreed. Experience will teach them to be more professional
wander   11-6-2011 17:05  Acceptance  +1   Yes. Almost all want Price charming to take them away. But the older ones stop ...
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I've had a few... though they were always freebies from the beginning. If I'm paying I will not fuck a girl for more than a night, too much pussy out there.

A while back I was partying at sky garden in Kuta, Bali. Met this local girl, did the drinking, dancing, talking thing and took her back to my hotel. Didn't know she was a WG. Later I found out she was, but she never asked me for any money. Supposedly pretty new to the game as she was recently divorced. We had a great time together, though I wouldn't say I was in love or led her on or anything. A few months later I came back and stayed with her for a month. Found out she was crazy. Started treating her badly, trying to make her hate me. It didn't work. Bailed thinking I'd never see her again. She moved to HK to work as a domestic helper, 'to be closer to me'. Lucky she doesn't know where I live. She still e-mails me, even though I've told her I'm repulsed by her. You can find her in Wan Chai on Sundays, maybe one of you bros have fucked her.

Got a few more stories to share when I have time.

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gwailoplayer   14-6-2011 20:53  Karma  +2   there you have it-amahs can stalk also
Invisible_Dog   13-6-2011 21:35  Acceptance  +1   holy sh*t that is SCARY! can i have her email? haha. kidding.
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If I'm paying I will not fuck a girl for more than a night

That's a pretty rare and rarefied sentiment.  I can only respect that kind of sangfroid when transacting
with prostitutes.

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I wouldn't say I was in love or led her on or anything. A few months later I came back and stayed with her for a month.

Okay, that's over the top.  Where I come from going to Indonesia to shack up with a girl for a month is seriously leading her on.  All I can say is, it's good to be a guy in Asia!
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Yah, it was probably stupid to move in with her for a month. But it was a great experience seeing the 'real' Indonesia. Feel kind of sorry for what I put her through. But as with all my relationships, I make it clear that I was not looking for anything serious. I think that maybe that makes them try that much harder to 'convert' me. Not gonna happen, but they can try.
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wander said it best: "Almost all want Price charming to take them away"

I find it somewhat common that the newer or more inexperienced WG's fall for a john if they're just treated with respect and kindness (and I guess it doesn't hurt to be above-average looking and speak the language). Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it), its been my experience (personal and observed) that most of the time it just straight doesn't work out and is a plain bad idea. Think it mainly falls to trust issues on both sides; the WG will continually hound you to see if you're out mongering if you're not with her, and there's always the thought in the back of your head that she's still after money.

Of course, both are easily solved by stating clearly what is or isn't expected should anything actually happen between the two, as thebigz0 says. Think it's also important for us punters to realize that fair's fair, and if we establish 'rules' for any sort of relationship, they are free to do the same (ie: using you as a personal ATM machine).

On a related note on this topic (seems like the place to write it up, as its not really a report on anything specific):

Very recently celebrated an awesome birthday with two of my regular WG's who I believe have 'fallen' for me.

Day 1 (day before birthday): WG #1 called me in the morning to say happy birthday. She then asks if I can visit her, to which I let her know I was feeling a bit tired and just felt like staying home. She then asks permission to spend the day with me, and tells me she'll call off work (fine of ~500RMB) to be with me... I actually told her she should just work and not get fined, but she won't hear of it, so... OK! Comes over around 3pm, looking pretty scrumptious in her regular clothes (hooray for hot weather and short shorts!) and greets me with some nice DFK. First round followed by an hour of rest, then try going for round 2 but unable to pop (the feeling tired part wasn't a lie) so then shower, and head out for a quick bite to eat. She insists on paying for dinner as well, then afterward head back and have a successful round 3. Told her I had to work early the next day, and she was fine with leaving. Tried to at least give her money for what she would get fined at work, but she wouldn't take it. Happy pre-birthday mtmtmt61! heheh..

Day 2 (birthday): WG #2 sends me a text wishing me a happy bday. Reply to her with a thanks, and then she sends me a text asking if she could come over! I did a double take, making sure I was reading the right text and not the one from yesterday. Checked the date and sender, definitely a new one! I ask her what about work and she says she'll come over after work, and that she needs to give me my present
She ends up getting off work about an hour early and comes over. She first gives me my present (brand of cologne that I use, think its around 800RMB here), then asks to use the bathroom for the second part of my 'present'!! Turns out she bought some knee-high socks, of which I have a huge fetish for, and off we go for birthday sex! We wake up around 7am the next morning for another go, then sleep again til close to noon, at which point she goes to work. Again, tell her she shouldn't have bought me anything, and offer to pay at least for the cologne, but she gets a bit offended and says she doesn't want anything from me but, well, me.

So all in all, a great birthday filled with freebies!

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wander   13-6-2011 05:54  Karma  +1   Sweet!
priapus   12-6-2011 21:28  Acceptance  +1   damn, bro. good job!
jsw663   12-6-2011 20:00  Acceptance  +1   800RMB cologne!!! You must have made quite an impression!
cherryhunter   12-6-2011 18:09  Acceptance  +1   Very jealous!!!
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Happy for u!! I lost my lover. But I'm happy for u.... I'm jealous tho!!' but happy for u... If she's the girl that ran from me and went to u then....

I'm not happy!!

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Reply #16 mtmtmt61's post

A nice birthday indeed.

Gifts from WGs always seem to be the sweetest - them spending their hard-earned cash on you is as big a statement of their interest as they can possibly make.  Over the years I've got ties, belts, a watch (a fake, but she remembered EXACTLY the brand/model I loved so the "thought" behind it was really sweet), several buddas, a great comfy fleece sweatshirt.  One gal always insisted on buying shit for my son when she would return from Thailand to HK (WTF!?!).  I had to toss the gifts out as it would be very out of charachter for me to have gone shopping myself.  I few things I kept and have them scattered around my office at work and at couple pieces at home.  It is weird wearing a belt bought by a hooker while getting dressed in front of my SO.

PS:  the watch broke within 18 hours.  Haha.

PS:  I buy them gifts too.  Feels nice making them smile.
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Originally posted by wander at 13-6-2011 06:11
It is weird wearing a belt bought by a hooker while getting dressed in front of my SO.

LOL... I can almost imagine the scene.

SO: "Honey, is that a new belt you're wearing?  Where and when did you get it?"
You: "Umm... I went to this discount shop in SZ last week"
SO: "Really!  It looks great on you.  We should go there sometime to buy you a few more!"
You:
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Reply #19 jsw663's post

Haha.

Hmm, the excuses I have used to date:

- the ties (gifts from distributors, customers, co-workers).
- the fleese sweatshirt:  found it in a hotel room.  (haha.  I have left a million things in hotel rooms, so she believed it easily)
- the watch:  bought it myself in the Lanes
- the buddas and other nick-nacks - told her some were gifts from partners, others  I bought while traveling.  
- the lipstick on my collar...  SHIT!  (This did happen once - the oldest cliche in the book!).  Luckily I saw it before my SO did and that shirt was NEVER SEEN AGAIN!

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