Hi Brothers,

any place offering black / Indian in Hong Kong? like USB / Sauna / Hotel.... I dont want to deal on TST street.... Pls advise

There are usually a few black girls (from Kenya and Ethiopia, that I know of) that hang out at (or around) Old Chiina Hand, Queen Victoria, and Bar109 in WanChai.  Often hanging around out front of these places.

Also, on the street near Hari's Bar (but rarely inside) there are always plenty of blacks nd Indians.  I actually met a stunnig black "actress" from Tunsinia inside Hari's about three years ago.  A bloody great screw.  She instinctively knew I would not believe her "actress" story so she whipped out her phone and showed me her scenes.  Hmmm, she WAS an actress back home.  (and pretty pissed off she still had to be a WG to make ends meet - seems legit film-work in Tunsinia doesnt pay much!).

"Also, on the street near Hari's Bar (but rarely inside) there are always plenty of blacks nd Indians."

Yeah, but are those working girls?  Call me blind, but the only ones I run into are usually guys trying to sell me custom tailoring.  If you've got a battle plan for Indian hotties please share!  

Just go out front the ChungKing Mansion if you want to find Indian WGs.  Should be some milling about after dark.

diseases diseases stay very very far away

I'm not saying that all Indian WGs have diseases.  I'm saying that going to ChungKing is probably not a good place to dip

Can we agree that there is a risk in punting?

Now take a look at this article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/02/opinion/02kristof.html

"Decisions about using a condom are made by the customer or the brothel owner, not by the girl. In one brothel I slipped into to conduct some interviews, there was not a single condom available."

That's a far cry from Singapore Geylang.

and then let's specifically look at CK Mansion.

http://www.timeout.com.hk/restau ... ngking-mansion.html

http://www.cnngo.com/hong-kong/l ... rdon-mathews-098440

You have heroin addicts mingling in the population and transients.

so to summarize

#1 culturally condom use is not as prevelant
#2 there are drug users at that location
#3 large number of transients from SE Asia and Sub Sahara

not recommended

Hey Bro, advice about being careful is never a bad thing.  So Kudo"s there...

If you leave it up to the gal to ensure you have a condom on then...., ummm...  WTF!!??!!  

I am sure you do, but it is up to us Bros to ensure we are protecting ourselves.  We can't leave it to the girl.   You go bang a civvie BB - well, you have NO IDEA who she fucked before you.  I screw my share of civvies too, and I make sure I have my cap.   

Anyway..., ummm, transients in hong kong?!!?  Who do you think fills the bars in WanChai??  Who do you think make up 90% of the Walk-ups and Hotel-Girls and sauna girls in HK???  ALMOST NONE OF THEM ARE LOCAL!!  All of them are on 14-day or 30-day Visas from some other country!  (Mostly China for Walk-ups, but from all-over ASEAN for bar-girls).

Traffik definitely imo

Escape when it's busy also

What I find most entertaining is the quote:

"Decisions about using a condom are made by the customer or the brothel owner, not by the girl. In one brothel I slipped into to conduct some interviews, there was not a single condom available."

Particularly the part about "to conduct some interviews" yeah right!  

Thanks for all your advices.

In fact I am very afraid about disease and thats why I dont want to deal with those ChungKing Mansion / street girls. Looking for 141 but seems not offering any colored lady. Maybe it's about time to visit Macao again!

I still remember the 1st day those big bros guide me to have fun , they reminded me the 1st thing to do after took off the pants is "Condom, Condom & Condom". Yes I agree I did not tried BBBJ / CIM (except from gf and wife) but until now and my big bros... touch wood... we are still very healthy!.

Hopefully you agree about about an increased risk punting in an area of drug use.

And condom use or not regarding the transients.  Let's breakdown the type of transients.  We were talking about
the sub-group @ CKM.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro ... a#Sex_worker_health

Mumbai and Kolkata (Calcutta) have the country's largest brothel based sex industry, with over 100,000 sex workers in Mumbai.[33] It is estimated that more than 50% of the sex workers in Mumbai have HIV.[34] In Surat, a study discovered that HIV prevalence among sex workers had increased from 17% in 1992 to 43% in 2000.

So sure, you can use a dom.  But you can also choose where to put your little bro.

I'm just saying.  Its just my point of view. IMHO.

YMMV

Wander:
Hey Bro, advice about being careful is never a bad thing.  So Kudo"s there...

If you leave it up to the gal to ensure you have a condom on then...., ummm...  WTF!!??!!  

I am sure you do, but it is up to us Bros to ensure we are protecting ourselves.  We can't leave it to the girl.   You go bang a civvie BB - well, you have NO IDEA who she fucked before you.  I screw my share of civvies too, and I make sure I have my cap.   

Anyway..., ummm, transients in hong kong?!!?  Who do you think fills the bars in WanChai??  Who do you think make up 90% of the Walk-ups and Hotel-Girls and sauna girls in HK???  ALMOST NONE OF THEM ARE LOCAL!!  All of them are on 14-day or 30-day Visas from some other country!  (Mostly China for Walk-ups, but from all-over ASEAN for bar-girls).

[ Last edited by  adrenal at 7-9-2011 12:06 ]

Bro adrenal, that is an alarming statistic. So, it comes down to 1 out of every 2 girls have HIV there. That is ridiculously high there. But to be honest, ~100,000 sex workers in the biggest city of a country with a billion+ souls, is a very small amount. Just compare it to China! But, no doubt, with a large population the rate of spread can be much much higher. However, I saw on an once on a documentary that their culture really opposes sex workers and there is a lot of discrimination there compared to western countries.

Bros, the bottom line is this:
It is not the girls decision whether you use a condom. It is not the brothels decision whether you use a condom. Take the decision within your own hands, or penis, and use a condom.

Bros... It was quite interesting to read this entire thread, as well as the links to the articles. There are quite a few misconceptions here and I feel it is important for me to voice them, so here goes...

1. As bro dollar mentioned, India does have a huge population over 1.2 billion and racing ahead of China quite soon, but the statistic of HIV prevalence is a guess. As bro wander mentioned, not all Indian girls are diseased.

2. Brothels and sex workers are seen in an extremely poor and negative light in India. In fact, the people who mostly do visit brothels are the sort who cannot afford to pay for the classier, possibly safer, condom insisting WG... known as 'call girls' (who are usually classified as HGs on this forum). Therefore, the clients who visit the walk-in WG in such brothels are most often lower educated, lesser skilled and therefore lesser paid gents. And most of these gents have amazing misconceptions about condom usage, which lead to BB sex and high chances of getting infected with STDs and more. The brothel owners and pimps push the women to have as many clients as possible else threaten seriously bad consequences. And if multiple customers refuse to cap, the women don't have much choice. Also, many women are illiterate/uneducated and don't know any better either and have quite often been pushed into the trade, from which there's no getting away...sometimes for many generations! All in all, a very dangerous situation. But this has nothing to do with Indian culture!, so bro Adrenal, generalising culturally condom use is not as prevalent is a bit harsh, isn't it?

3. From what I have seen from the various reports on this forum, most of the WG in HK are transient. Chances are they are in the biz for shorter period of time, or at least until they can move on to a better situation in their normal lives. Absolutely different from the context of point 2 above.

4. The two cities referred to - Bombay and Calcutta, are only two of the four metropolitan cities in India with a population over 10 million each! Delhi and Madras also have their share of WGs. But this still leaves over 60% of the Indian population outside these centres. In India, HIV rates are actually falling in tandem with world standards, but prevalent rates among the brothels and their clients or for that matter among drug users, is anybody's guess. Education is also improving.

5. The NY Times report was from the eyes of an NGO (non-governmental organisation) involved in bettering the lives of pros and/or their families. And the whole article was about exploitation. Again, please see the context of condom usage in light of point 2 above.  

6. Indian women are usually quite hygiene conscious, just as the PRC or HK gals.

Bros... I am only attempting to share my POV. No offence intended. Happy to discuss further. Peace.

Has no organization every tried to estimate prevalence of HIV in India's brothels?  It would only take a modest sample to get an accurate estimate and remove the label of it being 'anybody's guess.'

Actually, there are too many. Central Government authorized. WHO organized. State Government organized. NGO organized. Privately funded research organized - especially Pharmaceutical companies. Everybody has their methodology, analyses and conclusions. All disagree with each other. Hence, the label. As the old adage goes, truth is stranger than fiction!

Hang on . . . they all disagree?  Materially disagree?   How is that possible?  Within a given population of anything: people, toothpicks, cars, whatever; there is a number that will represent a statistically significant sample.  A number that can be comfortably extrapolated with meaningful accuracy (98+%).  All one has to do is sample that number of WG's and you get a very, very close estimate of HIV infection within the WG population.  WHO can't figure that out?  Crazy!

Nobel laureate Dr Amartya Sen was not off the mark when he coined the phrase 'The argumentative Indian' Lol. Have a look at: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp078009
Also have a look at: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_India especially the 'government policies'.

I'm just quoting a few examples. There are many more. UNAIDS, NACO, ORI and many such organizations are engaged in mapping prevalence, spread, risk groups, etc. In the end, who is how accurate is really debatable. A lot of estimations and approximations with differing levels of statistical conclusions is really confusing, isn't it?

[ Last edited by  arianmale1975 at 8-9-2011 04:46 ]