Good questions, bro, thanks. Unfortunately these are precisely the kinds of details    she won't talk about. She let's slip dribs & drabs which I piece together but if I  were to  flat out ask her such questions, I know she would hit the roof. She does not want to talk about what she calls "her past". She does say that she has had a rough  life. Virtually forced to leave school at 13 & start working. She's never been married. Any time I even approach the question of how long she has been working she       clams up.  I can't imagine it's been the while 29 years. Could anyone do this for so  long & still look so good?  And she does look great.
Already spent a month with her in HK & a month in Canada.

1. She is looking for an exit option, because she is at the end of what might have been a very long career.
2. Yes, I'll be careful  with $ & if she is turned off by this then that will be a red flag. But so far she keeps trying to save me money, as in "let's not take a taxi, let's walk --save you money". "No, no, don't buy me that dress, I have enough dresses". Since when does a woman have "enough dresses"???
3. I already know her family too well. They watch TV & eat. That's it!
Yes, these lazy unemployed people have  a good life with the money from their WG daughter (sister).
No children.  
Yes, I know she rents an apartment which is used by 141 WGs.

Gweilo69,

If you will permit me a few observations and conjectures in my humble opinion:

Like many others here, I, too, was in love with a WG.  And I do mean love, feelings and emotions like I never experienced before or since (and I am much older than you and have had many relationships).  She loved me back, for sure.  Still, while I think about her every day now, I am thankful both for the times we had together and for the fact that we are no longer together.

So, my thoughts:

1. She may well love you and you may well love her, but that doesn't mean she is the only one you can love and it doesn't mean you must "rescue" her and her family.  You are contemplating taking on a very large obligation (not just financially, but emotionally with the WG status/issue and her family).  In cases where you create the obligations yourself (for example, you get a young girl pregnant), taking on those obligations can be noble; in cases where you had nothing to do with the obligations/burden you take on, doing so can be folly.

2. Her refusal to take payment from you and her reluctance to take gifts, etc., may well be genuine. She may be signaling that she believes she has lived a life of shame and is not deserving of reward from an honest man (a guy who is a non-client and whose emotions are genuine).  This may be a dangerous sign.  While this appears to be a sign that she is not greedy or needy, it may also be telling that she does not have an ability to accept emotional support or love, either.  Few things can be more frustrating than loving someone who is unable or unwilling to fully embrace or accept your love.

3. The fact that you posted here, bearing your soul and dilemma to thousands of anonymous readers, suggests that you are searching, not only for the specific questions you asked, but for validation of what you already believe subconsciously....that you know pursuing this girl is a mistake.  Try to listen to yourself and carefully read your own gut and internal signals.  When it comes to long-term relationships, if it doesn't feel 100% right, don't do it.  

4. If you haven't read it already, I HIGHLY recommend to you to read the story of Meow & Chochet, which you can find here:  http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/v ... &extra=page%3D1

I don't mean for this to sound preachy or omniscient in any way.  Hell, I don't know you at all.  These are just some gut thoughts, based on minimal facts, but from a guy with at least some applicable experience who has some compassion for bros going through similar issues.  Take it for what it's worth.

Best of luck.

Bob

I will have to say it's somewhat implausible for her to be earning 30k HKD/month.

Let's do the math.

At 42, let's say she command a price of 300 HKD/time, which still seems somewhat high, but I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.

That means in a month, she must turn 100 tricks, in say, 25 days, unless of course she hit menopause already and can work all 30 days.

That means she must do 3.33 - 4 customers a day, everyday.

If she says she gives them 30k/month, then she must not eat, not drink, and spend no money on absolutely anything else in that timespan.

Her story really makes little sense.  How can her family not know?  30k HKD/month is far beyond what most people earn, let alone an uneducated 42 year old woman with no job history.

The fact that she's defensive about her past, won't breakdown how the 30k is made or spent, should tell you that RUN, and RUN FAST.

You can rationalize all her lies and other crap a million different ways, but if you do that you are being a serious sucker here.  I know it all sounds good, and it will sound convincing, but come on, you can't do better than that?  I'm sure you can, and it will be less complicated.

Am I the only one who wonders if the OP's story is even true?  It just sounds like a newbie looking for attention.   

I sincerely apologize if it is true, Gweilo, but you've got no history on 141 and this is one of your very first posts.  You cant back it up with a pic or other details about her, yet ask us for info on her.  How exactly are we supposed to do that?  Ya gotta admit, it sounds like you are trolling....

Assuming it is true:    (another fish bites the hook....???)

I have given cash to help out the occassional WG regular of mine.  (one gal had breast cancer, another got beaten and needed help with hospital bills, another's sis was in jail and needed airline money to get home upon release.... etc.).  In most cases I accepted that I DIDNT KNOW if she was being completely truthful.  How could I know with 100% certainty?  But I felt it was true, the amount asked would not affect me much, and it made me feel good inside to help.  I put faith in them and helped.  In all cases, so far, I learned after-the-fact that the stories were true:  The cancer-girl showed me pics in hospital and the scars from the operation when she finally returned to HK, ditto the gal who was beaten (this was recent, and the latest pics are MUCH better, incidentally... happy for her), I met the incarcerated-sister who insisted upon meeting me upon her release to say "thanks", etc., etc.).  

Their gratitude for trusting them and helping them when they needed it most was bountiful and continues to this very day.  I still see all of them when they come back to HK or when I'm travelling to their cities - and you can imagine how strong the GFE is after such a shared experienced.

But your case is different.  Sponsoring a gal monthly, from afar, is entirely crazy.  I have been asked often and have heard every story in the book.  Never have I, or will I, do it.  Nothing has changed in her world except that her bank account gets topped up monthly.  But you are not there to give your love or emotional support, or remove the boredom, or take her to dinner and the movies and shag her every now and then.  If the amount you send is "just enough" for her to support her family and get by.., well hmmmmm..., why not keep working and actually start living a bit better???  Maybe she'll slow down a bit..., but this is her chance to get that new iPhone, and maybe those new shoes, or whatever.  Having sex for cash is something she's used to doing.  A good shag every now and then is fun too...    No matter what you pay she'll always find a need for a little bit more cash (dont we all??) and she knows exactly how to get it.  Just say "yes" when the next regular calls.  Easy.  And risk-free given you are 5,000 miles away.  

The fact that she is not open about her past or her monetary situation says it all.  Her heart is not really yours...  Maybe she CANT give it fully anymore after years of selling her body, or maybe she's just stringing you along to see how much she can get.  Either way.., the lack of honesty and tranperancy should tell you everything you need to know about how to proceed.

I just read the Meow and Chochet Love Story last night and indeed it was very touching.
Somehow it seems thats these WGs live a treacherous life. They are always torn between MONEY and LOVE and the conclusion is always painful.
Its like a career that they shine when the focus is just to earn MONEY but once distracted by LOVE, it always tear them apart w/c always lead to their destruction/downfall.

[ Last edited by  devilgodspeed at 6-1-2012 17:56 ]

I second you, bro.

I just feel that this story is too far-fetched. I've also my favorite WG from time to time, but this is just different.

@markreyes:
Seriously, can she really be still in this business at that age of 42? I believe her skin must have withered, even a little by that time. From what I can deduce, at the very most, is that she used to earn that much during her prime. Now she has retired, and she is trying to source the money from this bro here.

But somehow I just don't see the truth in this story.

@Gweilo69:
If, by any chance, this turns out to be a true story, I'm very sorry to hear about it. Hopefully, you can sort out your mind and find the best solution for your life.

Hi bro Gweilo69,
thx, now ur situation is more clear to me.
Normally I would say, hey you are lucky guy.
U can stay with a professional, high skilled, experienced and good looking WG almost for free.
Go to HK and enjoy this GFE feeling that she provides.

But in ur case, because ur too much emotionally affected, forget her.
She knows to push the right buttons on you, but she is not clearly honestly with u and tell u the truth about her life,
hide and seek, so how can u trust her, if she not tells u the truth.
At all I get the feeling she may wants to sell her pussy exclusive for a last big retirement deal.
Who knows how many other guys are already involved in this auction.

At 42 but looks 25 as told by Gweilo69.
If she can still get 3-4 guests at minimum 500 HK$ each a day and she works for atleast 20 days a month then she could still be earning a decent 30-40k HK$/month.
So thats probably why she's demanding a 30k HK$ support to own her.

Lily at James Lee Mansion is OLD but based on reports i'm sure she's still capable of earning 30k HK$ a month being a WG.
http://sex141.com/en/tsim-sha-tsui-massage-lily-girl-28245.html

[ Last edited by  devilgodspeed at 6-1-2012 21:44 ]

You're from Manila.

How many girls can you really say are 42 years old but look 25?

That's the kind of crap you tell the mother of the girl you're dating.

If Gweilo69 can be judged by his name, he's probably Caucasian.  Lots of Caucasians have told my sisters that they look in their 20s.  I don't know any Asians who would say the same without laughing out loud.

Funny.., but true!!!

Us caucasaians cannot tell the age of asian women!  Man, they just look SO YOUNG, right??!  I've seen 40-year-olds that look like they are in their twenties.   I can never guess an asian lady's age.

I woke with one some time ago (a Soho pick-up) and she says (after our morning session and little bit of breakfast):  She says, "I'm older than you!"

I laugh and thank her for what I perceive to be an oddish kinda compliment.

She say's "I'm 43!"  

Shite!!  Really??!!?????!!???

"Yes."

Well damn, girl!  You are the hottest fuckin gal of ANY age I've been with in some time (NOT TRUE ---- BUT SHE NEEDED TO HEAR THIS!!!!).

And........,   upon hearing such I got my "second-breakfast" served poste-haste!!!!

The truth was, however, is that I would have never have guessed her age to be above 33.

So, indeed.  Us gweilos SUCK at guessing an asian gal's age.

For the record it goes the other way in reverse.  Asians always seem to guess us whitefolk to be 5-10 years older than we are. Asians have thought I was in my late 30s since I was 26... And when I grew a beard... They added another 5 years

Note: Asian women hate beards.

I would have to say in general Caucasians do not age very gracefully, especially the women.

I have seen quite a few older Caucasian males with very old, very ugly Asians, and they will always tell that they are dating such a hot young girl.  It used to be laughable but I've come to accept that this is just how it is.

Funny thing is, most Asians I know can appreciate Caucasian beauty, ie, we think Jessica Alba and Jessica Simpson are pretty hot.  So is Anne Hathaway in a non-tradition bombshell sense.  But Caucasians always seem to pick some of the ugliest Asian girls possible.  It's pretty strange.

I'm not racist btw, I do have a lot of Caucasian friends and business partners from Europe/USA, but what I do find retarded is the often said phrase by a Caucasian I just met is, "Hrmmm .. honestly you Asians all look alike, I'm sorry I didn't recognize you."  "Don't you have the same problem?"

My response, "Err .. BOB, no, I don't think you look like TOM, and I don't think you look like GEORGE, and I'm sure that if I saw you in the middle of Times Square I would recognize you."

What's with this?

ROFL! A 42 who looks 25? I'm sorry bro, but I don't buy that kind of crap. There are more that I see 42 who looks 50 and above. Looking younger by 5 years is already a good thing, but looking younger by 17 years? C'mon. Even actresses whose skins are meticulously treated. Have you seen any in their 40s who look like in their 20s?

haha in his defense, loving is often blinding. I is very easy to believe what you want to believe weather it be about her age, background or whatever.

With that being said, the signs are clearly there that she is not right for you but if your in love you wont listen... i know i wouldn't either

I really would like some kind of confirmation from Gweilo69 as to his true intent AND bonafides on our board; something which I have put into questions to him in his other thread:
Should we be supporting Zi Teng & IUSW? I'd say so. What do you think?
http://forum.sex141.com/eforum/v ... id=36077&page=2

As far as I'm concerned, this tale of woe is so improbable and ridiculous that I really suspect that OP just wrote all his threads to get a rise from all of us....whilst he sits back and laugh his fool ass off at us all "debating" this ridiculous matter.  I mean, he's even given us all a hint that this is ridiculously impossible as his supposed "True Love" have already been convicted of immigration violations in Canada and deported - and so practically impossible for him to EVER get her back into Canada on any kind of visa.
but on the other hand......!

I await Gweilo69's response as I am truly clueless as to his real intent in putting up his threads - each and every one of which SEEMS designed just to get a rise from all of us.

SEAJ

All 3 threads together,
i think may bro JosefK got it right.
Maybe a journalist who writes about monger sides.
It's always bad when people write about something, without knowledge.
A non monger journalist writes about mongering.
What comes out: scrap and waste.
Am looking forward to his reply.

The OP may be just having a laugh at all of this, but it's a situation that occurs all the time.

I see so many older guys falling in love with old wgs that this probably deserves a topic of its own.

Should sticky a thread that is titled "HOW NOT TO BE SCAMMED BY WGS, IE. SHE DOESN'T LOVE YOU, NO, SHE'S NOT DIFFERENT, AND YES, YOU HAVE DAMN LOW STANDARDS"

I personally know more than 4 guys who have fallen into this scam, and usually it is with older (32+ yr) wgs who know exactly what to say to trick these gullible, lonely guys.

So regardless of whether the OP's story is true, this is a good topic to bring up, even if it saves one punter from losing his life's savings, it's worthwhile.

Hehe.  You're probably right - a "Punter's Survival Guide".

But for all you (us) naysayers:  I WILL tell you that if you play this game long enough eventually you WILL find that gal who absolutely blows your mind.  One you cant forget, one you keep going back to, one you either want to "save", or one you just want to be with, and then be with a bit more, and tomorrow too, and then...... ?????

It happens.  It happens to the most experienced and jaded punters.   Happened to me.  (but only once in twenty years of doing this!  Not bad, right?).  Hmmm, well maybe more than once...  but I escaped each time!!  Funny thing is....  I am not sure if I really "escaped", or if instead  I actually "lost" them.  Hmmmmmm.  Trust me, however, that my memories of each of these gals is incredibly warm.  I cant think of them without smiling.

Now, some of you (who've read my posts) may say that I am an obvious target given I AM into serious GFE realtionships versus just a rotating bed of banging.. (well, truthfully, I have a rotating bed of GFE relationships -  Yes, it IS exhausting!  But the fact that each gal KNOWS that I have many other girlfriends helps save me from being asked to commit too much).

Anyway ----- I suppose my point is that there are SO MANY permutations to this hobby.  The gals differ, the punters differ, the situations differs (country, laws, social-acceptance, economies, fiiial-requirements, opportunities, and on and on and on).

There IS no rule.  

Some say just close your heart and bang the hotties till you cum.  Meh!  What a waste of your time with a sweet gal.  She might surprise you...

Find a girl you love in your town that hasn't been a WG and doesn't need 30K a month just to be with you

hi G69, have followed this thread, there's a lot of comments--and YES, the more info u provide, the better the feedback.

it seems u live and work in Canada, come to HK and don't punt (much) but find a "special" gal and want exclusivity, is that accurate? if so, it's understandable. some of these ladies are very likeable, we're all human, we develop feelings.

but let's take a step back and look at the overall situation.

a WG aged 42, "needs" 30K/month, u don't know where she works but she says she's "working ALL the time & never getting a break to rest." meanwhile, you're anticipating a breakup with someone named "Kary" who i presume is a WG u visited and never moved on.

maybe i've gotten some things wrong, but take a look at the above and ask yrself how accurate it is. 80%? 90%?

my suggestion: if yr job in Canada is going well, try some different Asian destinations. certainly, Bangkok. you're taking a long plane flight, right? experience some different cultures--Asia is diverse. do some web research. plan another trip without focusing on only one district in one city. there's a thread on this board on Jakarta, that might interest you also.

do.
some.
punting.

after all, you're talking about entering into an expensive relationship with someone u don't really know, either culturally or personally, but is a WG. or at least says she is.

perhaps u think i'm cynical, but i have no intention of offending you. i simply want you to take a look at your situation. if i've gotten things wrong, well, i'm only human.

but: 42 y.o. (Hong Kong born?), HK$30K/month...what are you looking for? do u want to give up yr job in Canada and move here? do u have enough savings to support both you and her? what happens if the $30K figure shifts to 35? could u get a job here?

if these seem like tough questions, chalk it up to tough love, bro. examine your inner motives. ultimately, it's your lifestyle and your money.

JtB