Why not just block the girl on your Whatsapp and forget about her?  Move on to the next girl already.

Also, with the recent arrest of Kim Dotcom and shutdown of Megaupload, I can't believe how much money online streaming porn makes!

Bro, with utmost sincerity I hope you learn that money cannot buy a good relationship.  Easily said, but hard when you're hit by your 3, 2 and you have 1.  

Truth is you CAN have
  hot sex
  with a caring girl
  WITHOUT paying her anything or giving her any gifts whatsoever
  with NO STRINGS

so I say keep the money, fuck first, THEN buy gifts if you're motivated to and have spare cash.  Reward the ones that prove their sincerity ... they're worth every cent you have!  If you believe that, you will get luckier and luckier.  

It's a game.  Play it as a game, with rules and plays that work, and strategies that don't work, and you'll win and enjoy winning.  Play it as something you have to earn, or as a club you have to buy your way into, and you'll be played yourself.  

With the proviso that if you're feeling sexually neglected, it's worth spending some money on pros first, with price and service agreed upfront, just to get your confidence back.  
It's your confidence that will make you attractive to 'good girls' who deserve all you've got to give them in bed and out of it.  

Most important piece of confidence?  The confidence to walk away, respectfully and kindly, saying "I know what I deserve, and want, and that's not it".

[ Last edited by  DArtagnan at 1-2-2012 10:03 ]

Heres's the thing. The reason I punt is the honesty of it. I'm not interested in having a real relationship with a WG. We might have some laughs, and I'll not be a dick to her, but at the end of the day, I'm not her boyfriend, she's not my girlfriend, and we both get that. She wants money - I'll give her that. I want sex. I'll get that. Everyone is happy, and everyone is honest. I like the WGs I meet - a lot of them are nice girls. But I like the guy that serves my beer and the guy that delivers my pizza as well - I'm not buying them a fucking cellphone because they are having a bad month.

When you start mixing that is when it all gets confusing and weird. Girls that want money from you are WGs. Pure and simple. They come in all forms - 141's, streetwalkers, bar girls, HGs, or even "girlfriends who like you to buy them lots of expensive shit" - all of them are providing a service for a price. When you lose sight of that, you're in trouble. If she is asking you for money, she is working you. It really is that simple.

Or so I believe. Honestly, your response to "buy me a cellphone" should have been "How about I give you the cost of the cellphone, and we go to a hotel and fuck." That would have made it clear how you felt she was treating you, and she would have likely yelled at you and left. Which wouyld have been best for all involved.

- Just my 2 cents.

yea bro you need to be careful of these gold digging gals. i picked up a chick in LKF a white back and nothing happened that night but the next weekend she was kitted out and i wanted to really bang her brains out. she said she wanted me and wanted to go to the closest hotel which was at the time the Mandarin Oriental.. fuck no am i dishing out money like that for a quickie. Anyway's while at the Mandarin, she said fine, lets go to an hourly so jumped in a cab and headed to VV in Wanchai.

Getting down to business and all I'm stiff as a dog on roids! and as I'm about to penetrate her, she tells me, you know the money you saved not going to the mandarin, well a friend of mine is in trouble and needs the cash and i really want to help her..

alarms go of, BB shrinks to LB and then Micro LB, i say ok let me go get you cash from the atm, YOU WAIT HERE. put my clothes on get my shit together and BOLT!

You never know when they will attack! which is why i love the system here.. you pay you screw you leave. simple!

that is utterly brilliant ... OMG just visualising it now ... her clever scheme ... her sense of triumph ... turning into growing impatience ... and the cold realisation as the phone rings ... that you're not coming back!!!  And she's wasted 2 hours waiting naked with her legs apart.

Awesome.

hahaha well if i recall correctly i had 3 missed calls after 20 minutes, within the hour it was like 40+ missed calls and by the time i woke up, it was well into the 160 missed calls almost every and that was my queue to change my number! seriously messed up.. had a text from her saying that she had left the room to look for me and that was 2 hours in so I'm assuming she did the following:

0-30 mins - stayed naked with nothing on
30-45 mins - put panties and stockings back on
45-60 mins - started putting clothes on slowly but calling me every time each piece of clothing was put on
60-120 mins - pacing up and down calling my phone while i was in bed asleep with my phone on silent!

121 minutes - realized that even though i didn't fuck her, i did fuck her up

Me - 1 / Gold Digging bitch - 0 minus 2 hours of her life wasted LOL

I'm not a married man, so forgive me if my question comes off as ignorant, but is there no way to resurrect sex with your wife? There are articles out there on marriages where the partners stopped having sex with each other, and techniques on how to try to rekindle the fire.

I am not an expert but imo, once you venture outside of your marriage, it is not possible to resurrect it purely on a sexual level, especially if the marriage is past the first few years.  It might be possible if the emotional aspects of the relationship is also resurrected.

I can see the hilarity but still think you were quite out of line here. Be a gentleman even if the girl is no lady. If you dont want to pay her, a simple "Sorry, No" would have been much better.

Good move dude...seems like this girl's only intending to con you off your money.

Not sure what's it for you, maybe you are longing or yearning for some attention or you are just enjoying the challenge. But I think the money spent is better off spent on a nice WG...in fact you can make a trip to TOkyo and have some serious fun there and back!

Unless you are willing to jeopardize your marriage, in my opinion, stay away from this girl..looks like bad news to me. If you still want to keep your marriage intact, better keep your hands off this girl...

With the money spent you can actually keep a mistress somewhere and with guaranteed fucks (almost guaranteed unless she's having her period...but then again some people are vampires and enjoys the sight of blood )... I am sure there are plenty of nice HK girls out there who is willing to be someone's mistress....

This is exactly. there is no ambiguity with mongering, unless one falls for the other, which can happen sometimes. Each person comes in and knows what they will put into the deal and what they will get out of it.

there is no :

"you owe me",
"okay this date she is gonna put out because I spent a lot of money on her for dinner, etc"
wheedling for tips,
asking for money for a sick relative, etc.

I want them to Fuxk me, show me a good time for an hour or so, and then disappear from my life and not bother me until the next time I want to see them. This is what you get with commercial sex. this is why I do not believe in having an affair or having a mistress or side girlfriend as some of the KPs and 37Ds have offered to me, I like to keep the rules and roles clearly defined.

with this kind of arrangement You don't get:

SMS,
late night phone calls,
stalking,
people trying to hack into your voice mail,
people telling your wife,
people  blackmailing you that they will talk to your wife,
bumping into them in public and their making a scene
same as above but when you are with family members, coworkers, clients
Difficult and embarrassing phone calls at work (this one happened to me until I learned)

From the postings of some of you lads, however the above mentioned drama is fun and you actually seem to like this kind of stuff (Ok not with involving the wife) but the others  - the SMS, phone calls, meeting them in Wanchai bars, etc. there was even a story here a few weeks ago about some punter whose neighbor had an Amah that he had seen several times before and so when the family was gone he would literally hop over the fence and hop on her.

this kind of stuff may float his boat but it would damn near drown me. I like to keep my fun at arm's length

keep on mongering

[ Last edited by  gwailoplayer at 1-2-2012 21:11 ]

"...YOU WAIT HERE. put my clothes on get my shit together and BOLT!..."

I am assuming you didn't pay for the room beforehand, and you let that bitch pay for it??

I agree.  If davidlong just said, "No, sorry," his story could have been quite different.

If the girl gets pissed off and realizes that he's not going to spend on her then he gets nothing. Same result as his own decision.
But if the girl didn't care then davidlong would have gotten to bang this hottie.

Yes there is
and if you're in a marriage, keep the hope alive, keep your shared vision of a happy shared future, and keep trying everything you possibly can
and keep it going for all the good things it brings you, for as long as you can find good things it brings you

BUT

the reality is HE still wants sex with her, and SHE isn't responding any more.  There are multiple possible reasons, and some of them are permanent.  

EVEN IF there is a solution, it will take a long time and active commitment from both of them, and is unlikely to ever get the frequency of sex back up to the satisfying level it once was

Fact is some (not all) older women do lose their need for sex ... and even if they regain it, many women can go for a decade or more without having sex.  Men can't.  Whether solo or with a partner, whether frequently or not, we need to unload the pressure when it builds up.  Not as often as peeing, but similarly.  

so ... unless and until she does change (back) and become responsive sexually ... he still has to take care of his own body's needs. Otherwise he will be in no place to be rational / patient / accepting / resourceful with a wife whose behaviour is prompting him to feel neglected / misunderstood / abandoned / betrayed.


That's almost as funny as what he did.  Come off it!!  
If you (and others!!) think like that you are the direct CAUSE of her manipulative and inconsiderate behaviour.  

SHE could just as well have said, "listen, I like you and want to have sex with you, but I need some cash, are you OK to give me $xxx as a gift?"  

BUT she didn't

INSTEAD she played a transparently manipulative charade of pretending to be sensitive and high-class by insisting on a high-end joint,
then cheapening it with a sort of logic that ONLY a woman would ever understand ("the money you saved ... LOL!")
It was all so slick, FOR SURE she had done it before, and successfully ... so she would do it again ...

Come off it.  He played it brilliantly.

AND in the process he put aside his ego and his desire to have an argument with her on the spot ... no, he saw the opening, and played the player.  

She would have been EXPECTING an argument, heck she probably already had arguments with other indignant bros she seduced, and she was all ready with her 'clever' ways to fend it off.  
The ONLY way to show her it's not smart to do it again with another bro - and to make her wonder if another approach might be better - is to make her experience being let down herself.

no i had to pay for the room thats how hourly hotels work, pay upfront and they thrown in 2 condoms lol..
well it was worth paying for the room to know that she stood around and waited thinking her fanny got the better of me.

in regards to picking up your sexlife with your wife, I would say it has to come from both sides, getting back in shape, smelling nice, wearing naughty underwear, (not you the lady) well you could do with boxer briefs rather than T-bags if thats what you wear.. a massage at the end of the night when in bed would be a stepping stone, and day by day, you try to peel another layer of clothing.. compliment her, tell her she's beautiful and sexy as ever, take the sex OUTSIDE the bedroom... i.e. become teenagers again.

i hope things work out with you and your wife and maybe my advise helps but remember you need to put effort in

Everybody does it sooner or later out here bro, just stay positive and look on the bright side. You could of got even more smitten with her and spent more money...

Money can be earned again...

My regular 'Wan Chai' friend tried it with me one time. She needed 15,000 HK for her sister bank in Indonesia - who was in an accident and needed cash to pay off the police. She had gathered 5K by selling her laptop and other things...

Baring in mind I had only known her a month at this point...

I ignored the text and her for a few days, the amount started lowering, right down to 5K - I was considering borrowing her the 5K (or should I say giving?). Literally as I was about to tell her I would get her it she called me and told me her employers had borrowed her it and she did not need it....

I take the view that a lot of the cash calls are real

Problem is the gold-diggers are so practiced they make the fake cash-calls look like real ones

But I did pay for a girl's flight to visit her grandmother once

Big softie that I am

They may well be real, but I take the tactic that it's still business.. If they need money, fine. They need money. We all need money. They have a way to earn it. I do my job, they do theirs. If she is honest and upfront about it: "hey, I have a sudden problem, and I need some money" then I can understand. But you know when that's bullshit and when it's not. And regardless, there is a set amount I will ever give a WG, and I expect in return hat she does her part. That's the relationship. I pay, she puts out. I pay more, she puts out more. That's the deal. As long as she is honest, I am perfectly willing to be a nice dude and help out. But to tell me their son is sick, and use the cash ona new Pravda bag.... Fuck that. I don't need that bs in my life.

I mean, keep in mind, most girls start this career because they are kinda low on options. Nobody stops being a banker or a doctor or a lawyer to be a WG. Most had shit jobs in shit places with shit futures before this. Many are divorced with deadbeat husbands. All of them need cash. That's why they do this. for them, yeah, I agree. It's why I tip big, and try to be a nice friendly guy. If I can help them out, and get a good fuck while I am at it, then we all win. Kinda. At least I can make it as un-unpleasant foro them as I can.

But my tolerance for them starting a different game, pretending they actually care about me, or that I am something more than a wallet that produces money when they have sex is very low. That brings dishonesty into the arrangement, and that ruins it. Like I said before. The real joy of punting is the clean, realistic honesty of it. If I want agirlfriend, I'm not gonna look for her in Wanchai. And if she wants a real boyfriend, we all know she isn't gonna look for one in Wanchai either. Anything else is at least partially delusional. It may be a delusion some people enjoy, and if so, fine, but... At the end of the day, believing hat delusion creates a lot of issues.

Again, only my opinions.

I agree with you on this Bro...you pay more you, expect more in return.

It's business after all. Being honest is important in any which way or business you are in. It's also a matter of professionalism involved. All the girls are in it for survival, for the money they can earn in a short time for some. I have known WG who gave themselves a timeline on the job because they are trying to save as much money as possible in a short time span in order to have the capital to start some kind of business (legitimate or otherwise).

Every investor expect returns no matter what unless you are doing charity. So if I am looking to keep a mistress, there will be a deal discussed and agreement struck out. It will never be a one way street. You wanna dig my gold, you gotta let me dig you as well... that's the deal. Simple.

It's also all about choices we make. We have our own minds and thoughts and everyone has different levels of expectations.And I couldn't agree more with you here Bro.

I started seeing her again a few weeks after that, one thing that got me thinking it was a lie was the fact that it was never mentioned again...

I could be wrong, I never told her I almost borrowed her the cash. A few years ago I borrowed a girl some cash to go & visit her family over CNY.

I was not a lot of money, she came back and lost her job lol because she was 1 day late for work...