Hey Goose,

Do you know why the agents might be stopping their girls from allowing naked pics?  Is it a fear that they'll lose business if we (punters) see they are not as hot as the DB pics suggested?  Or some other reason...

Ironic --- the whole reason "real pics" are so popular is because the uber-PS'ing the damn agents do!  If they would just stop it pics would matter less....

Rumour has it that DK and Ah Gai (CWB agent) are not allowing. This to be confirmed!!!

Reply to post #154

Noted, will consolidate onward.

Reply to post #156

In my previous post #116, it didn't explain my viewpoint clearly, sorry for confusion caused.  But, we have tried to communicate with WG on photo posting properly.  Language constraint is a reason, but not an excuse.  We need to do our best and intention to clarify first.

Reply to post #157

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

Yes, we should looking forward, nothing is perfect, do our best!

Regarding to our subgroup, it is 4 days existance in many bros eyes.  But, we was started the preparation before I submitted the request on the sub-group creation.  4 days existance is only counted after the sub-group opening.

Reply to post #158

The sub-group cannot compare with English forum, the intention and target members are different too.  Please understand I never complaint the rules in English forum because I fully understand it is very difficult to maintain the forum, I only consider the fair and judge.

Thanks for the reply, bro happpy.


In that case, can you give us just one or two examples on how to communicate this with the WG without compromising the other bros here? Do you ask the WG something like this:

"Can I use your pictures for my report where other bros in the forum can see it? This could help you get more customers..."

I hope that your answer could help with my future punt without having to offend anyone here.

You keep on saying things like "I only consider the fair and judge..." etc - what is it that you actually mean?

That you think that somebody here is unfair and have unfarily judged? That things are unfair here - just what is it that you mean??

Why don't you SPECIFICALLY AND PROPERLY enunciate your specific grievances and at least allow the Mods to counter/agree/argue etc with you.  This taking a shot gun approach is not going to do anybody any good and certainly will not solve anything.  You got something you're not happy with - spell it out properly.

And Goose - what its OK for you to be hostile to me and not OK for me to be hostile back to you?  And your hostility dates back quite a few months when you basically just ambushed me and used such hostility for whatever reason you may have had.  

Look- it, when Admin had docked you Go4 the points that made you all down to just plain members - I had been quite vocal and supportive (and was one of the originators ) of the effort to "appeal" such judgement/action by Admin.  What did I get for this? Your hostile bull shit - and as far as I'm concerned, you repeatedly coming on back here to ONLY take pot shots at the English side just has got to stop. You hate the English side that much? Christ!

Thanks
SEAJ

Hmm...the agents know naked pics drive more traffic to their girls so they must be incensed that naked pics are no longer permitted. So in retaliation against these new restrictions, it seems that the agents are taking it out against the administrators of the forum by punishing the punters a bit.

These agents know that most punters love taking naked/hardcore pics of their girls for either personal memories or to post in the English/Chinese forums. So by deliberating denying these punters the previously allowed naked pics, these agents hope the punters will take out their frustrations against the administrators of the forum, forcing the admin to change their minds about the new restrictions.

SEAJ which part of this thread am I hostile at.

Please quote where I have taken pot shots at the Eng Forum in this thread. You say its pay back time. My word, you are so childish in your behavior.

I am even being patient with you now. I'm not even going to argue with you anymore. It's getting nowhere and is a distraction to what this thread was orginially set out to discuss. Whatever our differences are, it has NOTHING to do with this thread! Right??? I think even your supporters are already fed up of regurgitating this topic over and over again.

I'm more interested in writing reports, taking photos and sharing information with people who are more appreciative of my efforts, than to start an argument with you over and over again. No point!!

[ Last edited by  Goose at 28-12-2011 22:32 ]

OF COURSE you're just interested to write reports and put up pictures of the gals - so that you can continue to enjoy the "privileges" that the agents has accorded to you( as per my post #78 on page 4 of this thread on what you had yourself stated was your "payment" from the agent). And what other "privileges" are you enjoying but have not disclosed to us for making up these "Agent Type" reports??  Care to share them with us? Freebies? Discounted punts? Christ - selling Your own soul just to get WG sex! How pathetic.

In fact I even doubt that you had actually done all the gals you supposedly had "done" on your latest reports a month or so ago - as bereft of details as they had ALL been.  On top of that, what's with all this Photoshopping of the supposed "Real" pictures you put up on your reports? You are a Senior here and instead of appreciating that fact, you have used such position to fool others here.

You being patient with me???!!  I don't need your patience or indulgence and as far as the 2 points about this thread - OK, I'll outline to you AGAIN what its all about as you know damn good well that it concerns YOUR NEFARIOUS actions on here.

1. You have stated that you had been the one to point out reports AND pictures posted by others here to the Agents and the gals.  This to me is the WORST that anybody can do here as it has driven many a previous great posters from continuing with reporting - knowing that a wanker here is gonna come showing, interpreting reports to the gals/agents.  And stop all this crap about it is what the new reality is nonsense! Common sense, respect and trust amongst each other on a forum as ours - you don't give a damn about any of this in your totally selfish need to ingratiate yourself to the agents.  Christ - if you cain't afford to punt without having to do sub-pimping of the pimps, maybe we all should start a "Goose mongering Fund" - and I'll be the one to first contribute to it - NOT! They should ban your ass off here to make you the poster boy of what we on this forum finds totally unacceptable behaviour, attitude and actions. Christ! Pointing out others' reports here to agents/gals!

2. Pictures and when appropriate to post up certain type of pictures.  Twice has already said that the Mods are discussing this and will come up with new guidelines in the future. What you worried that you won't be able to/ want to make sure that you can still post up your "Agent Type" pictures and reports??

Quit trying to pull the wool over all of us/gaming the system EACH AND EVERY TIME YOU'VE SHOWN UP ON HERE THE PAST YEAR.
CHRIST!!

SEAJ

Ps edit:
"..Goose           29-12-2011 00:41          Acceptance          +1           I give up OK, YOU WIN!! There HAPPY!.."

NO I'M NOT HAPPY and I don't think most others here are happy until we see that the Mods has put you in your place/put the muzzle on you and your actions.

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 29-12-2011 00:46 ]

You make many accusations about me with the agents about privileges, please do inform me from your little army intelligence where you get the facts from. You accuse me of this and that, but have NOTHING to substantiate it EXCEPT HOT air. Your bullying me just wont work!! You talk so much SHIT, it's unbelievable!!

If I had done something wrong, I'm sure TW would be the first to come down on me. U seem to be the unofficial speaker for the MODs

As for gaming the system, you are the expert (with your idle thread), I'm sure you would agree!!!

[ Last edited by  Goose at 29-12-2011 01:05 ]

Mmmm... things are getting really interesting here. Please don't flame me for this post, but I can't resist the urge to speak my mind:

Doghead, are you implying that this is a game of chicken between the agents and the forum admins? I like it

Back to reality now... I'm having a hard time believing some agent's (especially a popular one like DK) would be stupid enough to not be allowing pics anymore. This would instantly affect business and drive their regulars away to competing agents (I'm guessing the girls too). Taking pics of the girls is a key part of the HG service, since these agents are in the business of making money, they wouldn't take measures to disrupt their own business. I'm confident that these agents are clever enough to know that at the end of the day, it's the punters who bring them the money, not the girls.

Having said that, I'd love to be proven wrong. Has anybody confirmed that DK girls aren't allowing pics anymore?

A final word, and this is without pointing my finger at any specific mods or senior members, if it is really true that agents are actively following?/partaking in?/being briefed on? these discussion and are taking actions/retaliations based on them, then I'm afraid this forum is no longer "for bros, by bros". If true, then somewhere along the line, forum admins, senior members, have, implicitly or not, allowed the lines to be blurred. Again, I'm not pointing fingers, just making an observation.

At the risk of repeating myself, let's remember who this forum is for and why this forum is so successful.  While I have nothing against respecting the girls (to a certain degree), I sincerely hope this great forum will not turn into a policed, censored forum where members are afraid to make posts in fear of retaliations by agents, senior members/mods, girls, etc. The day this happens, this forum stops being a punter's forum and starts becoming a market place.

Or perhaps I'm just being too naive to think that a forum which is on the same site as the girl's db is able to be and remain objective and unbiassed?

While I normally tune in for the reports (with great pleasure), I've been following this discussion with interest and am saddened to see these developments.

If I have somehow misinterpreted or misunderstood things, I'm open to corrections, but right now, this is how I see things.

I don't need to accuse you of anything - you have so proudly STATED YOURSELF each and every thing.
- the privileges you get from the agents including -


And you've also proclaimed proudly that you had shown Fjackass's picture and thread to the agent and the gal.

I don't need to accuse. It's ALL FACTS AS YOU YOURSELF HAVE WRITTEN.

And as far as gaming the system - started with you and your G04 granting tit for tat points to each other, progressing to using our board to sub-pimp for the pimps with your "reports" (yeah, RIGHT!) and now - only God knows what you're up to now!

And if the Idle chat thread is so offensive to you - would you care to enunciate specifically and properly what it is that is so offensive to you Master Goose?  And who the hell are you to pass judgement on others' actions on the board? What - you own the site? Ridiculous!
And besides which - what has the Idle chat thread got ANYTHING to do with the subject at hand here....exceptin' to show your hostility?!

SEAJ

Edit in Italics.

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 29-12-2011 16:57 ]

Why would you be so certain of that?! The HG business has thrived for decades without Internet or real pics. It's the primal need to get one's end away with a hot virile chick that drives this business, not the ability to take pics or to confirm if a chick is hot beforehand by checking out people's real pics. Punters build a relationship with a papasan and place some trust in that it will deliver the goods.

BTW, are we discussing HGs only, or all formats of WG? (And is it time for me to once again use the term "warped HK hotel girl scene" yet? LOL!)
Note that this forum is about any WG experience, not restricted to those that appear in the sex141 database, and includes those that don't advertise anywhere.

Erh! Sorry sir, I never showed the agent or the HG anyone's report. In this case, I just asked the girl whether she gave permission for the pics to be published. The agents dont care about the Eng Forum reports as it don't generate a lot of income for them! She said definitely no, as she refused to allow any naked pics on the internet! It was wrong of the OP to post them in the first place! If she said she gave permission I would have left it. Now she is so worried that the pics were up for a long time, clearly she is distressed. I know you have the majority support of the bros here who don't care about the HG's interest and want full protection and only have own selfish interest at heart! But if it happens again and I see something grossly wrong, I would do it again (even though I get flamed and TW bans me as SEAJ suggests), although through PM!

Sorry but I dont agree with your thesis on what posted here stays here, it is the internet, free for all! The 141 Eng Forum is a PUBLIC forum and is not a private members club. Even if TW agrees and puts in rule to support u, how is he going to police it.

As for the what I said about privileges, you can ask Happpysex whether I get any of them. I know some Chin Senior get them, it doesn't mean I get discounts at all.

You are the only one that saw the sub group as a THREAT, in fact it was to assist the Eng members to access and navigate through the complicated Chin menu. It did not mean that Senior Eng members would be writing reports there and only there. We cannot control what other members do. Like I said, its up to TW's leadship to turn the forum around and get it going again. For a start many of you complain, and its you guys who don't even write reports anymore. A prime example is TW, who wrote ONE report in 2011, does that mean he fucked 1 girl in the whole of that year. Perhaps the practice what you preach would get things returning!

This is my last reply on the subject, whatever the MODs do I'm fine with that!

[ Last edited by  Goose at 29-12-2011 10:17 ]

I would just like to add my bit if I may, and hope not to be shot down in flames.

I have been registered for a couple of years now, and initially browsed this forum to seek out possible talent when I travel to Hong Kong. I haven't posted many reports for my sins, but have browsed on and off over the years.
Only recently have I tried to get into the forum more fully and participate in discussions, and on the whole have enjoyed the banter. Some take it very seriously others less so, I fall somewhere in the middle, where I have an opinion, but just really want to enjoy this great forum and insights of bros who I share an interest with.

I can see varying sides to the arguments here, and do not think there will be any compromise that would suit all parties.

I personally have never asked a WG if I can take photos, partly because I find it awkward to ask, not that I would not like the memento. But if I did, I would now be undecided whether or not I should post them.
I agree that if a girl absolutely did not want them posting it would be wrong to post them. And I would certainly not want to cause any form of distress to any WG.
But in fairness, the fact that we do monger, and quite often have SOs, and these girls choose to earn a living in the way they do (whether out of need or choice), suggests we have in most peoples eyes questionable morals. I would think it not unreasonable for anyone to assume that some bros are likely to publish.
Ideally if a girl wishes to preserve her integrity she should just say no photo, as would I if I were asked, due to fears they would fall into the wrong hands.

It is sad to see seniors bashing the shit out of each other, over what could quite easily be construed as an innocent mistake. I'm not sure how anyone proves or disprove that they had permission to post photos taken?
A bro may have been asked specifically not to post by a WG, on the other hand maybe once the WG found out, by whatever means, she may be too embarrassed to admit she gave the OK. Who would know for sure.

I know in my years I have been accused of things that are untrue, I also know I have had to cover up things that are.

The thing I do like on the whole about the forum is that it seems the majority, our mongering interests aside, are pretty OK guys.

On a side note, not picking sides, I love the mongers lounge section, and Idle chats, as it give guys like me, who are not located in HK, or somewhere similar, where mongering is an easy hobby to pursue. A place to get at least a little involved.

goose ... please STOP putting me on a pedestal ... I am a mod in this forum ... but first and foremost, I am also a participating member - an ordinary member !

Mods in this forum are not dictated my me ... whatever we do, we do it by consensus !
the new guidelines that will soon be published will also be by consensus and that's why its taking so long (because of the holiday period) ... So please stop trying to put into everyone's head that everything in this forum is up to me and what I want !   Its never been the case and never will !!!

Just to correct you, I don't think I've posted a single report this year ... in fact I don't think I've posted more then 15 reports during my life here ... so ?   

Despite everything, you still spend a lot of you time here in this forum ... so if you clear your mind ... you should notice that the one person who complains more then anyone is you yourself ... that's why in one of my answers to Happppy is - its no use saying forget what just happened, look forward to the future when
the problem is still staring at you in the eyes !

Again the over-inflated ego and grandiose delusions! You really do think that you singly are so important to the Forum don't you?!

Yeah, 300 members of "support, support" or "More support, Yeah!"

And what...? You can take pot shots at anybody and then complain when I aim my sights right back at you? Way too late for you to now take the moral high-ground. LMAO!

But I hardly need to do anything in your case - for typical of those who thinks too highly of themselves, you've tripped up and expose yourself for what you really are.

"...As for the what I said about privileges, you can ask Happpysex whether ..." Oh yeah - right again!! LMAO! What, you cain't eat your own words and need to rely on Happpy AGAIN??!! Oh right?

SEAJ

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 29-12-2011 13:51 ]

Absolutely. There is just too much unknown. A punter's behaviour and attitude can be inconsistent, as can a WG's. For example, might her reaction have been different if it had been someone else who first brought the hardcore images to her attention (other WG, another regular, her agent, etc.), or perhaps it would have been the same outcome? Who knows for sure.

I'm suspecting any new rules can't possibly cover all the various nuances without having to make it clear what the forum's stance is on privacy issues, for both punters and WGs. Tough job ahead!

Yes... any rules to cover any situations is NOT 100% fool-proof as there are bound to be wankers who will figure out a way to game the system etc.

But its each individual member's integrity and respect for others here that should be paramount. Not the words of the law but the spirit of such, the ethos of our forum.

And there needs to be a strong statement that in effect says -

"We do NOT approve of disclosing and using information so gleaned from reports here for your own self-serving needs. Please do NOT discuss contents of reports here with non-members especially with the Agent and providers. This guidance is all the more so for Seniors who has attained Reading Access as you are privy to information and pictures that are meant only for other seniors.
Any one found to have breached this guidance will be banned from our forum"

SEAJ

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 29-12-2011 16:39 ]

I agree that the ethos of the forum is to have some integrity, and it seems to me the majority of bros have this. Which considering that the forum is based on guys going out to have sex with WGs is quite an achievement.
I briefly looked at other forums based around our subject, when I became curious about mongering, and settled on this one because of it's format, and how it works.

It would be great to be able to keep in the spirit of what I believe the forum was set up to do. Which I assume is a platform for bros to care and share their experiences, where WGs can promote the business, and bros to have some discussion amongst each other, and help and give advice. And there is a lot of advice out there.

Unfortunately there will always be some that have a different agenda, whether it is an Agent who wants to promote his girls, or a guy who really has no respect for the girls and gets off on abusing them. Though in my short time in checking this forum regularly it seems the Mods come down on this hard and fast.

This may be a stupid question and been asked/suggested before. Is it possible for a bro to post images without them being viewed by members until a Mod OKs them? For example, most images seem to have RA30 or above (I cannot view these anyway). But could there not be a total block to members and have "Awaiting Mods Approval" until A Mod or perhaps two approve the image? Not sure if this is too difficult to police.

I have come across images before before an RA has been placed, and then come back later to find I cannot see it due to a rating being placed.

Since the Mods decisions do govern this forum, makes sense to me, that if this were the case, the majority would accept this.

SEAJ ... please ... no need to try to influence us ... we already have a decent set of new guidelines which we are awaiting for the rest of the mods to get back and discuss before we announce and implement