Please understand that, your question to me is very simple, it is goose go check out with the girl, is it wrong?  I was curious on your intention to ask this only.

Sorry for any mis-understanding caused... my viewpoint is not encourage/allow the other bros go to show/mention our reports to the girl, I hate that too even I know I cannot stop/avoid it.  My viewpoint is... we should have our own discripline to post report and photos, cannot use 'What happens in the forum, stays in this forum' and go to ask who leak the info to the girl.  Truth report is important for us, but it needs the balance between the bros and girls.  Our report is the tool to let the bro find the match girl he want, and vice verse.

Please read my reply in #42, sorry for mis-understanding caused

I think ACTIVELY sharing a report, either yours or another bros, with the HG is wrong - much in the same way a punter seeing a report about services a HG provided and then visiting the HG, asking for the 'special service', being denied, then pointing out that a bro posted on the forum that she had provided it, is also wrong.

On the other hand, it was wrong of me to post these (not just limited to Free Zero, but to all the girls') pictures without the girl's explicit permissions.

Be interesting to hear how many girls would agree to bros posting pics of them 'live in the act' though (I don't mean just pussy/naked shots - I mean full on live pics/vids)

That is simply my viewpoint.

OF COURSE ITS WRONG...and actually tears into the VERY FABRIC OF WHAT THIS FORUM IS ALL ABOUT ; that we can share and care and be quite sure that others here are going to be mature and sensible enough to NOT share what is written here with the Agent/WG.

Especially when it seems that one of the reason for him to have done so is to ingratiate himself with the agent/girl.

Yes, such "maturity" cannot be legislated - but I strongly believe the immaturity as clearly shown should not just be glossed over and that we take definitive steps (like what I'm now doing) to show our strong disapproval of such.

SEAJ
Edit after your subsequent posts
Happpy - I am NOT making any points about the picture(s) per se - rules on pictures can "quite" easily be formulated and enforced and NOT what I'm concerned about.
What I AM concerned about is the fact that Goose showed the picture/report to the gal/agent and the blithely dismissed it as "Oh no big deal - it goes on all the time"
Well to me it IS a big deal that even when we RA up a post/picture, that such details gets disclosed to the Gal/agent. Like I said, it tears into the very fabric of what makes our forum what it is - TRUST amongst bros and Bros before Hoes.

Edit in reply to your #47
Like I said, I am not discussing sneaked pictures - we already do have a rule against that - and its "No Sneaked pictures"

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 15-12-2011 20:59 ]

I agree your viewpoint on RA system.

But, it is not difficult to get permissionon the photo posting, I do it every time.  It also won't drop the photo posting.  If you go to my album, you will see how many photos I'm posting now.

I respect your viewpoint and stand.  May be my English is not so good, when I read your summary, it looks it is doing kind of conclusion.  But, I think it is good go back to original problem about the photo posting without permission, instead of talking about 'What happens in the forum, stays in this forum'.

If it is WRONG, why we need to talk about the photo posting without girl permission?  NO ONE will dare to say I clarified or checked... NO ONE can comments further, right?  Now, pointing to the person found out the truth and say it is not RIGHT, and then stating the bros are not to post the photo without permission... where to JUDGE? make SENSES?

1 question, how did this WG / Zero knows her real photos were been posted by a customer in this forum?
Can only be, that a bro had shown her that.

The HK WG DB are full with “ps” pics.
The HH 141 DB girls are mostly identifiable.

Here my guidelines:
I think there are 5 different typs of pics:
1. HK WG DB Girl face shot. (I think no problem here, if her face is also clear visible in her DB Profil)
2. HK WG DB Girl naked body and face shot. (Her u need permission to post it in the internet.) If you have the permission is ok,
otherwise I think it's a good idea to hide her face with a black bar.
3. HK WG DB Girl action pic, for example Bj pic, with a face and ur LB in mouth. I think same Nr. 2
4. No DB pic, Freelancer, GoGo or Massage Girls. Same Nr. 2 and 3.
5. Only body pics without face ((I think no problem here, because the Girls are not identifiable without face).

I think what u post stays forever in the net. So to protect the girl and also respect the image rights of a private person it is good
to do so. Also in this forum are some “pichunters” for commercial pornsides! But only the pics without the reports and the DB-Links are harmless for the girls, when u black the faces. If a WG gives her clear ok for internet, then it is ok.
It is a brotherhood here, but I agree it is not possible to control this.

Am not sure if I understand what you're saying - but like I said - there is 2 important points/problems uncovered by this thread.

1. What constitutes sneaked pix, if OK or not to post up pics without specific permission (IMHO - impossible!) etc etc - all concerning pictures per se - and NOT what I'm concerned about.

2. What I AM concerned about and a problem that I had been victim of previously - and that is having somebody here to show/use information/pics from another bro to further his own aims - whatever it may be. Especially galling when committed by a senior who has the required RA to make a joke of the degree of protection intended by higher RA's.

We "share" our reports/posts with @ other with the expectations that others here are mature enough to know better and not do anything stupid with such information. We break this inherent trust here, and guys will just stop posting.

SEAJ

1. Sneaked pics should not be allowed, no doubt on that
2. Agreed, I was the victim many times.  I know many bros use my reports and photo show to the girl.  I'm also don't like this because I know those bros intention, they may want to get same services or photoing or pretend to be good guy

But, on Goose's case, he tried to find out the truth, his objective or intention is different from the point #2.  So, I don't think Goose did it wrongly.  Now, if it is judginghis action by that statement, it is not fair.

Sorry - this is NOT correct.

this is what he said in his post #21 above


No big deal to him to do what he did - all quite common and too bad, its a free for all.

And I note that you have been a victim many times in the past - but I believe you post a lot more on the Chinese side?

Well, I'd like to think that we on the English side HAD BEEN  a bit more considerate of each other and did live up to our inherent obligations to those who share their info; but I feel that of late, we've had more and more instances of such trust being broken over here.

SEAJ

[ Last edited by  SEAJ at 15-12-2011 21:47 ]

QUOTE:

Originally posted by happppysex at 15-12-2011 20:53
But, I think it is good go back to original problem about the photo posting without permission, instead of talking about 'What happens in the forum, stays in this forum'.

I thought this was the root of the current discussion, no?


Bros in this forum i does not have control of the kind of infomation shared outside the forum. Repeatedly said throughout the discussion, we cannot monitor, we cannot police, we are not a watchdog.

But common sense and having a sense of respect for other bros are very important in a mongering environment such as a small city like HK, i.e. "Common WGs" visited by "Common Customers".
We cannot prevent or stop a bro showing report / photos to the WG/Agent or friends. It;s your choice, it's a free world.
Buit dont come back after hearing stories/accusations from WG or whoever and start to bark and fuck the poster/bro.
Frankly, this is so Low and pitifully childish. Too senstive and touchy over a WG (Dime a dozen, btw).
Though WG - Dime a Dozen, I am still a WG lover, I dont treat them bad and I respect them as service provider but we need to Draw a LINE (of course again , to each own)........


I not asking bro to adhere to the above rule of engagment 'What happens in the forum, stays in this forum. but please have some common sense and be more judgemental on who you share with and how you react towards another bro. Be considerate and think about others.

As for the current forum rule, Sneaky pics are not allowed and poster will always be requested to remove it. End of story and life goes on, everybody happy....
As for asking permission from WG before posting, the forum does not have a clear rule on this yet. We welcome suggestion and always willing to improve the integrity of each report and standard. Something we look forward to.
But the limitation and difficult part is "how do we know if it was really approved and agreed by the WG for public posting? Should we prepare a statement of consent for WG to sign and acknowlege before we proceed to  post the photos? Will it be workable? Will WG respoonded with "WTF" ??? Absurb? or any alternative?

Long time back , I drafted a Statement of Consent (WG to Punter) to post real photos, but that was a joke and I was proving the point that who will be able to know if the WG gave the bro permission to post. Maybe now it can be useful.  I coudnlt find where I posted the draft, Let me check again...  

[ Last edited by  hunter at 16-12-2011 12:18 ]

Exactly, She gave me her consent that I can post her pictures.
She signed it and dated it.
Now, two weeks later, she wants to revoke it.
She explained now, that we had drunk too much wine and were exhausted from fucking.
She further explains, that when she signed it, she was not really sane.
This can be tricky.

Come on bros. Share and care.
Most important part is the Brotherhood here.
From bro to bro.
Nobody here wants to jeopardize the future of a WG.
The RA system helps.
No sneaky pics are allowed.
If unclear then black the faces.
And if there is a problem, that can clarify the bros to each other.
Just my opinion.

QFT.  I for one and I'm sure many bros would stop posting reports entirely if they knew other forum members where openly showing the reports to the WGs.  Should we even have to explain why this is so wrong?

Yes exactly...

If we have to worry that the girl will see what we wrote we'll end up only focusing on the positive (if we plan to see her again) or indeed not reporting at all!!  I've read here that the Chinese-side reports are just pics and a rating, but with very little detail.  If it is true that they "all show reports to the girls" -- well, now we know why their reports suck!

In a related, but slightly off topic comment:  If the agents would STOP photoshopping the girls so damn much the value of damn near ALL the pics on here would plummet.  It's the main reason for the "real pics" on the forum, right?  So we can see if she is as hot as her DB pics suggest.  But 85% of them are crappy phone-cam pics, taken by an amateur, in bad lighting, and a rushed setting.  I can make a pretty girl look like crap every time (not on purpose, I just suck as a photographer).  Why would they take such reports to share with the gals anyway?  "Hey babe... here are some crappy pics of you... and a statement that you give a good blowjob" (???)

Anyway:  Back on topic:  The 141 Rule should be NO SHARING outside 141.  Period.  If I RA50 a face pic and some other Bro decdes to share it outside this forum, well.., the RA protection is gone.  It ends up on ISG and her brother/father/friend sees it.  Isnt this problem obvious?  

So NO SHARING outside 141 - to the gal or anyone else.

I thought it was understood pics of WGs should only be posted with their consent???

I thought it was agreed that we would not repost pics at a lower RA than the OP selected which OBVIOUSLY logically includes reposting the pics on another site.

Whilst there is no "perfect way" to police this, I thought this was the accepted etiquette. Therefore I don't understand why this is an issue. I believe we should not post pics without permission and we should not report other bros pics at a lower RA or outside this forum with no RA protection... but I accept that as soon as you post something on the internet, regardless of the privacy procedures you have in place, it is effectively "public property" and some dick will break the rules. That doesn't make it right and doesn't mean we should condone it. It's wrong!

and wander, good point about the agents PS pics. Agree.

Please reread my post. The second paragraph is about pic-taking.
While I agree that it's important to ask for permission to post (common courtesy), we are living in the FB Age, where almost all pics taken end up online in one place or another. If WGs are aware of the forum, as pointed out, then they must also be aware that pics could be posted online and that not all strangers are honourable - common sense, right?  Bros need to be responsible but so too do the girls - it works both ways.
You might have had the girl's interest in mind, but in my humble opinion, it's best to approach the guy first and seek explanation  privately to avoid embarrassment since he might have got permission (WGs are not immune from lying from from time to time to make a  valued customer happy) . If a solution cannot be sought, then discuss with mods. Sharing with the girl is damaging for a forum like this.

the culture on the Chinese forum is very different ... recently, in a reply in goose's now defunct sub-group in the Chinese forum, the poster said something like :
"hope there will be no repeat of the notorious English forum reports writing here, namely , almost like P-nhouse forum style prono discription of details ... What the points of such explicit writings"

Now days their way of reporting is totally different then what we do here ... a report there with no pics = fake report, only reports with pics can be a true report !

the Admin recently turned the Chinese forum over on its head, the Admin ia also started to change the DB ... the pics of the girls in the DB will still be PSed but much less then before, and will not be to the extent where the girl looks totally different then her real self ... the agents already used pro make up artists before the picture shoot so the main difference hopefully will be there and not the PS

I've basically stayed out of this discussion regarding the ethics of posting pictures and showing reports to WGs simply because I was a victim of the very same thing we've been talking about ... showing reports to the WG to get an advantage ... I'm very bias on this subject, so maybe not appropriate for me to make too many comments.

[ Last edited by  twiceAweek at 16-12-2011 09:40 ]

Huh -- I suppose the demand for real-pics is useful (precisely because of the PS problem - good if the Admin manages to get agents to stop the practise).

Regarding your reluctance to jump into the sharing-debate:  doesn't this experience you had give you further authority on the subject?  You're the mod AND have been burned. You opinion is quite important.

Anyway, put it this way - there is likely zero benefit to the bro who wrote the report if another bro shares it outside 141 (to a gal or otherwise).  Yet there is potential harm to that generous sharing bro - and to the gal (gal is pissed at the bro, or gal gets exposed, or bro gets exposed).  Further, there is potential harm to 141 if bros are unhappy about it and stop reporting...

Lose/Lose/Lose.

Seems clear to me what the rule should be...